Dobbs worked with the 1s today!

#527
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KBVol said:
Peterman showed zero ill-effects of a broken thumb until the 3:45 mark of the 2nd qtr when the ball fluttered out of his hand on his 2nd pick. He threw several passes after when he supposedly injured his thumb. Never grabbed for it, held it, favored it..... looked the exact same as he did to start the game.

At that point the dye was already cast. He was 4-11, 5 yds, 0tds, 2 ints, 1-2 fumbles, -3 yds rushing. The team, under Peterman, moved the ball up and down the field that first half to the tune of 4 net yards on 24 plays..., and no points. By comparison, once Worley came in the second half, the team had 204 net yards and 10 points. Just thought I'd throw in the Worley piece there to provide a little context for just how historically bad Peterman was.
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You simply will not be honest with the facts regarding Peterman. I have provided you with the facts, yet you avoid them and repeat your BS that you know to be BS. You refuse to answer my questions or be held accountable when proven dead wrong. Why?

You have judged Peterman based on his extremely limited play with a broken thumb against Florida.
You refuse to answer me when asked whether it's reasonable to expect a rookie playing with a broken thumb to play well.

Fact: We were winning 7-3 in that game when Peterman broke his thumb at the opening of the second half. You refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Instead, you tried to create a narrative of a QB meltdown before braking his thumb - after you tried to ignore the FACT that his thumb was broken during the period you condemned his play. Now you are trying to weasel around that fact by imposing your impressions of 'no effects'. Just BS.

Fact: Peterman is a 4 star QB.
Why are you dismissing him based on a superficial 38 minutes of playing time in extremely hostile conditions?

Fact: Peterman beat out Dobbs badly in summer passing competition. That is why Peterman was moved ahead of Dobbs - not because of some coaching desire to preserve Dobbs for next year. Dobbs becomes expendable and a candidate for red-shirt since Peterman was the clear #2. Your excuse of some clandestine conspiracy to preserve Dobbs is obvious BS. You have no answer.

We all know you have passed your judgement against Peterman based on your superficial surface impressions of his whopping 38 minutes playing time including a broken thumb at Floriduh, relentless UGA blitzes with no protection and foolish play calling.
Your problem is that smarter people withhold judgement on a four star QB that has not seen anything near a legitimate chance to develop - while you don't.
 
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#529
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I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Jones and his staff make poor personnel decisions. Jones is the one who put JJ Watt as a TE in college after all.
 
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jcvet said:
Then why red shirt him?
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Because (a) He is expendable this year with Peterman being the clear #2. (b) He may get better.

The main point is patently obvious. The reason Peterman was moved to #2 is because of PERFORMANCE demonstrated in summer camp was wayyy out ahead of Dobbs - and better than Worley for that matter. That's simply a fact to anyone who payed close attention to the QB competition this past Summer. It had nothing to do with some conspiracy to preserve and protect Dobbs.
 
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American Pig said:
You simply will not be honest with the facts regarding Peterman. I have provided you with the facts, yet you avoid them and repeat your BS that you know to be BS. You refuse to answer my questions or be held accountable when proven dead wrong. Why?

You have judged Peterman based on his extremely limited play with a broken thumb against Florida.
You refuse to answer me when asked whether it's reasonable to expect a rookie playing with a broken thumb to play well.

Fact: We were winning 7-3 in that game when Peterman broke his thumb at the opening of the second half.
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Couldn't get through the rest of that spite of the English language, but that 7-3 score was the result of a pick 6...I'm not sure how much credit Peterman gets from that...unless he cheered EXTRA LOUD!!! :clapping:
 
#532
#532
I remember when this board wanted BJ Colman to be the starter. Heck we could have fun listing the QBs this board thought would be great.
 
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#533
If Butch thought he was the guy he would play him. Why all the second guessing about this? Why is it wholly unacceptable for CBJ to be questioned about the OL? If everyone trust him as much as they proclaim, I would think you would trust his judgement on this. Bottom line is that CBJ and staff don't think he is the guy, they get paid millions to make those determinations/evaluations.
 
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butchna said:
Couldn't get through the rest of that spite of the English language, but that 7-3 score was the result of a pick 6...I'm not sure how much credit Peterman gets from that...unless he cheered EXTRA LOUD!!! :clapping:
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Fact is, there was no meltdown until the broken thumb / hand incident - your attempt at obfuscation not withstanding. Facts matter.
 
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American Pig said:
Fact is, there was no meltdown until the broken thumb / hand incident - your attempt at obfuscation not withstanding. Facts matter.
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He was a train wreck...couldn't tell WHEN he broke his thumb because he played from the start like he had broken his brain. :crazy:
 
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American Pig said:
Fact is, there was no meltdown until the broken thumb / hand incident - your attempt at obfuscation not withstanding. Facts matter.
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Then don't use the score as any indicator of Peterman in a positive since then. It works both ways. You are the one who brought up "7-3".
 
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#541
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butchna said:
He was a train wreck...couldn't tell WHEN he broke his thumb because he played from the start like he had broken his brain. :crazy:
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Fact: He broke his thumb at the opening of the second quarter. It was his first interception. His hand hit the helmet of the defender. This began the meltdown.

Your harsh judgement of a QB playing with a broken thumb is asinine.
 
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American Pig said:
Fact: He broke his thumb at the opening of the second quarter. It was his first interception. His hand hit the helmet of the defender. This began the meltdown.

Your harsh judgement of a QB playing with a broken thumb is asinine.
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He had 2 yards total offense in the half. He had the first quarter by your logic when he was okay to amass more than 5 yards passing
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Oh so now you get to judge how one is supposed to react with a broken thumb? I'm sorry he wasn't acting like he was in agony. God forbid he try to play through the pain like most competitors do, but I guess for you he obviouslu just sucks so it doesn't matter.

Good lord dude, I'm really glad you aren't the coach.
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Every time I've ever seen a qb bang his thumb on a helmet to the extent that it eventually shows a break, they come out immediately because they're in pain and literally can't grip anything. They wind up in a cast and out for several weeks. Bray in 2011 and Locker with the Titans earlier this year come to mind. Came out immediately and didn't return....and Locker didn't even break his thumb. Peterman came right back in the game the next series and the next 1 or 2 afterward and looked no different when throwing the ball. Go back and YouTube it.

Whether or not he was in great pain or not, his play after the injury looked the exact same as his play before the injury until his 2nd int when the ball fluttered out of his hand....... which was absolutely awful. You guys wanna keep saying he gets a mulligan because he had a broken thumb, as though he started the game with his hand in a cast. Bottom line, again, he was as lousy on his first snap of the game as he was on his last. Just the way it is. Doesn't make him a bad kid or a teammate. All reports about Nathan are 180 degrees to the contrary.... great kid, great teammate, incredibly hard and diligent worker.....he just hasn't remotely shown himself to be an SEC QB. If you want him running UTs offense then more power to you.... I don't.
 
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American Pig said:
Fact: He broke his thumb at the opening of the second quarter. It was his first interception. His hand hit the helmet of the defender. This began the meltdown.

Your harsh judgement of a QB playing with a broken thumb is asinine.
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I have the ability to remember games I've watched and form opinions of the performances...he played horribly...then broke his thumb...kiss my asinine. :yu:
 
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ballou1024 said:
The 1st team is never used to simulate a team or QB...its the scout team. If Dobbs is running the first team CBJ must have something up his sleeve?
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Butch did say they did NFL type practice this week with ones versus twos so they could simulate speed better that the scout team couldn't do that..
 
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American Pig said:
Fact: He broke his thumb at the opening of the second quarter. It was his first interception. His hand hit the helmet of the defender. This began the meltdown.

Your harsh judgement of a QB playing with a broken thumb is asinine.
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Once again, you keep spewing out inaccurate crap. At that point, after 3 possessions, Peterman was 1-4 for 9 yards, a fumble and an interception, 2 carries for 3 yards. Tennessee's offense under Peterman, AT THAT POINT, had run 13 plays for 15 yards, no points and 3 turnovers. We had 7 points on the board thanks to Driskel's gift pick 6. After the interception where it was reported Nathan hurt his thumb, he was actually better throwing the ball....3-7 for -4 yards and another interception.

So tell us again, when did the meltdown start? Based on his actual play rather than your opinion, it looks like it started on the second snap of the game.
 
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