Dobbs worked with the 1s today!

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SeniorDrill said:
Nathan Peterman is the #2 QB. Now consider his body of work. He has gone 15-33 for 65 yards and 2 interceptions. It wouldn’t surprise me if he is listed at #2 simply because the coaching staff wants to redshirt Dobbs.
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Completely agree. But get yourself ready for the long knives from the Petermanites....they'll be here soon.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
The level of stupidity from some here is amazing. "DERP Dobbs haz first downs Peterman SUCKS!!!!!"

Switch what both have played and get back to me. When Peterman gets a full game against a suck team like UK AFTER all pressure of making a bowl is gone, the Dobbs slobbers can get back to me.
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So you cherry pick the UK game, eh? Care to compare each of their first starts in 2013? Peterman vs Florida and Dobbs vs Missouri. Go do a little homework (stats, competition, defensive rankings, etc)and get back with us would ya? If you need help let me know.
 
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Ez_Vol said:
He was a TRUE FRESHMAN! He was a scrawny kid that came out of high school that couldn't get the ball to his receivers because of arm strength.

He has worked on that and looked good in the Spring game delivering the ball. Dobbs is probably the reason why Ferguson quit because he would've been last on the depth chart or at least 3rd.

We haven't hailed Dobbs as anything but a viable threat to run the ball effectively with this week line. You sir are the one that is critical of a Vol player and I am questioning your fanhood with how much you dislike Dobbs.

Worley and Peterman would have my support and I won't down what they have to bring to the table. Some people look at things objectively rather than spewing hatred.
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Question whatever you want, I couldn't care less.

And how about talking to the many spewing hatred and stupidity at Peterman. You don't even understand my entire point.
 
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KBVol said:
So you cherry pick the UK game, eh? Care to compare each of their first starts in 2013? Peterman vs Florida and Dobbs vs Missouri. Go do a little homework (stats, competition, defensive rankings, etc)and get back with us would ya? If you need help let me know.
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I've already addressed it, we lost 31-3. Dobbs had decent stats....by the end of the game.

Oh and you mean the UF game where Peterman broke his thumb? Did Dobbs have a broken thumb during the Mizzou game? I must have missed that!
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yeah he did great....after we were down 24-3.

You Dobbs worshippers are a special kind of delusional. I've never see a QB so judged by a completely different set of factors.

Worley gets bashed for not beating teams, Peterman is bashed for looking bad being thrown into high pressure situations, but Dobbs is hailed as the guy we should start to get a bowl after a bad to average half season in games we lost 45-10, 31-3, and 55-23. And that Vandy performance was one for the ages.
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I can understand why Dobbs receives skepticism...not wholeheartedly agree...but understand. What I don't understand is why anyone would hitch their wagon to Peterman...whatever excuses you want to employ...started him against teams too good,bad thumb...prejudice because he has eyebrows...maybe there is an awesome player waiting to emerge, but what evidence has given you confidence? Dobbs has highlights from last season but he got to play too much...Peterman would have eventually had highlights if that stupid thumb hadn't ruint everything? Once again MAYBE...but you guys are arguing facts not in evidence. Seriously , if Worley can't play or has to leave early, Peterman should be the first to go in...if he holds up and runs the offense, he should stay in and we'll see where it goes. If he reacts like he has so far, every time he has been put in a HIGH PRESSURE SITUATION? Dobbs time.
 
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butchna said:
I can understand why Dobbs receives skepticism...not wholeheartedly agree...but understand. What I don't understand is why anyone would hitch their wagon to Peterman...whatever excuses you want to employ...started him against teams too good,bad thumb...prejudice because he has eyebrows...maybe there is an awesome player waiting to emerge, but what evidence has given you confidence? Dobbs has highlights from last season but he got to play too much...Peterman would have eventually had highlights if that stupid thumb hadn't ruint everything? Once again MAYBE...but you guys are arguing facts not in evidence. Seriously , if Worley can't play or has to leave early, Peterman should be the first to go in...if he holds up and runs the offense, he should stay in and we'll see where it goes. If he reacts like he has so far, every time he has been put in a HIGH PRESSURE SITUATION? Dobbs time.
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I don't want to "hitch" to either one of them. I don't think either would lead to a bowl.

But I'm not going to sit here and bash one guy based on much less playing time and praise the other based on some so far unseen ability.
 
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KBVol said:
So you cherry pick the UK game, eh? Care to compare each of their first starts in 2013? Peterman vs Florida and Dobbs vs Missouri. Go do a little homework (stats, competition, defensive rankings, etc)and get back with us would ya? If you need help let me know.
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60 minutes vs 28 minutes. Can't wait to see your conversion chart
 
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Absolutely love Dobbs and believe we all expected to much from him last year as a freshman, however with this inexperience line I don't think the Alabama game is the time for a rusty sophomore. Peterman may be a better choice at this time. If it is baptism by fire and Worley is not hurt it should have been the Florida game.
 
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butchna said:
I can understand why Dobbs receives skepticism...not wholeheartedly agree...but understand. What I don't understand is why anyone would hitch their wagon to Peterman...whatever excuses you want to employ...started him against teams too good,bad thumb...prejudice because he has eyebrows...maybe there is an awesome player waiting to emerge, but what evidence has given you confidence? Dobbs has highlights from last season but he got to play too much...Peterman would have eventually had highlights if that stupid thumb hadn't ruint everything? Once again MAYBE...but you guys are arguing facts not in evidence. Seriously , if Worley can't play or has to leave early, Peterman should be the first to go in...if he holds up and runs the offense, he should stay in and we'll see where it goes. If he reacts like he has so far, every time he has been put in a HIGH PRESSURE SITUATION? Dobbs time.
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It shocks & pains me to admit it but I have to agree with you on this one. :crazy:
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Yeah he did great....after we were down 24-3.

You Dobbs worshippers are a special kind of delusional. I've never see a QB so judged by a completely different set of factors.

Worley gets bashed for not beating teams, Peterman is bashed for looking bad being thrown into high pressure situations, but Dobbs is hailed as the guy we should start to get a bowl after a bad to average half season in games we lost 45-10, 31-3, and 55-23. And that Vandy performance was one for the ages.
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Got some serious Dobbs hate going on there chief. It was 17-3 at the half, could've easily been 17-7 if Josh Smith doesn't drop a perfectly thrown ball on a seam route that would've been a 33 yd td. In the first half, Dobbs was 10-16, 96 yds throwing, also ran for 50 yds. Threw for 6 first downs, ran for 2 more. More than respectable. For the sake of honesty and balance, he did have a fumble and a pick vs a defense that finished the season in the top 5 nationally in both sacks and interceptions....but I digress.

So RS freshman Peterman got thrown into a "high pressure situation" when playing a day game at top 20 Florida, but true freshman Dobb didn't get thrown into the fire making his first start at eventual SEC East champ and top 10 Missouri, at night? Hmmm.

How did Peterman do that first half vs Florida again? How many first downs did he throw for, how many did he run for? None? How many points did he put up? Zero? Oh, that bad huh? What, same amount of yards as turnovers? .... 4 apiece. Yep, I can see why you're dying to get Peterman back out there and why you evidently think Dobbs should never should see the field again.
 
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Here's a thought.

What if Butch knows it's very unlikely that we will beat Bama and he is resting Worley for South Carolina where he knows we can produce a win.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I've already addressed it, we lost 31-3. Dobbs had decent stats....by the end of the game.

Oh and you mean the UF game where Peterman broke his thumb? Did Dobbs have a broken thumb during the Mizzou game? I must have missed that!
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Peterman showed zero ill-effects of a broken thumb until the 3:45 mark of the 2nd qtr when the ball fluttered out of his hand on his 2nd pick. He threw several passes after when he supposedly injured his thumb. Never grabbed for it, held it, favored it..... looked the exact same as he did to start the game.

At that point the dye was already cast. He was 4-11, 5 yds, 0tds, 2 ints, 1-2 fumbles, -3 yds rushing. The team, under Peterman, moved the ball up and down the field that first half to the tune of 4 net yards on 24 plays..., and no points. By comparison, once Worley came in the second half, the team had 204 net yards and 10 points. Just thought I'd throw in the Worley piece there to provide a little context for just how historically bad Peterman was.
 
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johnboyhunter said:
Yes I do think that he would sit out if he ahead of Peterman to preserve his redshirt. Happens all the time. Better QBs but younger ride the pine learning the system behind a more senior and less talented QB. Ultimately it would be good to have a QB in the system 5 years. If CBJ thinks he could get to 6 or 7 wins and redshirt a QB then it makes sense.

Kids can develop so much between 18-21. I was a collegiate athlete and saw it first hand. The difference is night and day from HS to college. Don't judge a kid so harshly who was only a few months out of HS thrown into games without any weapons. Even though we had a good O-LINE last year our running game was anemic. One game Dobbs was our #1 rusher. I'm not saying he is a hybrid of Michael Vick and Peyton Manning either. But he does maybe provide more abikity to scramble.

So simply because Peterman is listed as #2 does not necessarily mean he is really our 2nd best guy. I spoke with a former player last weekend who was emphatic that Dobbs will be the man next year and they are trying to save his red shirt. Is he correct? I don't know and you don't know what the coaches are thinking It is disguised with coach speak.
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I would bet my house that it has nothing to do with him redshirting. If he is the man and they know he is the man they would play him. Why? Experience, real time work that an extra year of riding the bench will not get him and if he is the man and he has the best chance to get us to a bowl, you can bet your ass he would play. That bowl game gives the whole team more work and extends the season closer to spring practice. We all want a bowl game for sheer entertainment value. Coaches want it for the extra work, experience and what little edge it might give us in recruiting.

I have also spoke to a former player (starter on the national championship team) and he told me straight up that it has nothing to do with redshirting and everything to do with his progression and an issue with arm strength that they are working on. Again take it for what its worth and yes I know many will just take it as BS.
 
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#515
Dobbs is the best fit of all our QB's for Butch's offense. Without a doubt.

Most of the people hating, I assume, simply do not like the idea of a QB who regularly pulls it and runs. It brings a completely different dynamic for an offense and can be extremely frustrating for a defense.

Considering Dobbs was thrown into the fire against a top tier opponent - and actually made some plays -that is pretty impressive. I've never really understood the Dobbs hate. I've wanted UT to get a quarterback like him for a long, long time.
 
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KBVol said:
Peterman showed zero ill-effects of a broken thumb until the 3:45 mark of the 2nd qtr when the ball fluttered out of his hand on his 2nd pick. He threw several passes after when he supposedly injured his thumb. Never grabbed for it, held it, favored it..... looked the exact same as he did to start the game.

At that point the dye was already cast. He was 4-11, 5 yds, 0tds, 2 ints, 1-2 fumbles, -3 yds rushing. The team, under Peterman, moved the ball up and down the field that first half to the tune of 4 net yards on 24 plays..., and no points. By comparison, once Worley came in the second half, the team had 204 net yards and 10 points. Just thought I'd throw in the Worley piece there to provide a little context for just how historically bad Peterman was.
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Oh so now you get to judge how one is supposed to react with a broken thumb? I'm sorry he wasn't acting like he was in agony. God forbid he try to play through the pain like most competitors do, but I guess for you he obviouslu just sucks so it doesn't matter.

Good lord dude, I'm really glad you aren't the coach.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't want to "hitch" to either one of them. I don't think either would lead to a bowl.

But I'm not going to sit here and bash one guy based on much less playing time and praise the other based on some so far unseen ability.
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since im sooo dumb of a poster I figured I should reply, sure I made a vage comment that really doesnt have any factual basis for Dobbs. BUT

Peterman though, has he had one single good play at all thats anything besides handing it off. Im really not sure.
If your a coach and your trying out a new player under the lights that hasnt seen the field, and he plays like peterman, Im going with any other option that is possible.

Everytime he goes in I cringe. Doblin through, at least he can give you a chance and have a good throw here and there and get out of high pressure situations.

Peterman = sack, fumbled snap, sack, incompletion, interception, sack, muffled snap, run for my life and sack,

If your going to play the deserving QB with an OLine like this, its going to HAVE to be the one who can handle high pressure at all times, peterman can't do it!!! SORRY:crazy:
 
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BigTCountry said:
since im sooo dumb of a poster I figured I should reply, sure I made a vage comment that really doesnt have any factual basis for Dobbs. BUT

Peterman though, has he had one single good play at all thats anything besides handing it off. Im really not sure.
If your a coach and your trying out a new player under the lights that hasnt seen the field, and he plays like peterman, Im going with any other option that is possible.

Everytime he goes in I cringe. Doblin through, at least he can give you a chance and have a good throw here and there and get out of high pressure situations.

Peterman = sack, fumbled snap, sack, incompletion, interception, sack, muffled snap, run for my life and sack,

If your going to play the deserving QB with an OLine like this, its going to HAVE to be the one who can handle high pressure at all times, peterman can't do it!!! SORRY:crazy:
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Dobbs played behind a senior laden line? What makes you think behind this line he could handle those high pressure situations?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Oh so now you get to judge how one is supposed to react with a broken thumb? I'm sorry he wasn't acting like he was in agony. God forbid he try to play through the pain like most competitors do, but I guess for you he obviouslu just sucks so it doesn't matter.

Good lord dude, I'm really glad you aren't the coach.
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Awful emotional...you know?...for a guy? :cray:
 
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KBVol said:
Got some serious Dobbs hate going on there chief. It was 17-3 at the half, could've easily been 17-7 if Josh Smith doesn't drop a perfectly thrown ball on a seam route that would've been a 33 yd td. In the first half, Dobbs was 10-16, 96 yds throwing, also ran for 50 yds. Threw for 6 first downs, ran for 2 more. More than respectable. For the sake of honesty and balance, he did have a fumble and a pick vs a defense that finished the season in the top 5 nationally in both sacks and interceptions....but I digress.

So RS freshman Peterman got thrown into a "high pressure situation" when playing a day game at top 20 Florida, but true freshman Dobb didn't get thrown into the fire making his first start at eventual SEC East champ and top 10 Missouri, at night? Hmmm.

How did Peterman do that first half vs Florida again? How many first downs did he throw for, how many did he run for? None? How many points did he put up? Zero? Oh, that bad huh? What, same amount of yards as turnovers? .... 4 apiece. Yep, I can see why you're dying to get Peterman back out there and why you evidently think Dobbs should never should see the field again.
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It was 24-3 at the half. Oh and I guess we're giving Dobbs the beneift of some "ifs" but Peterman breaking his thumb doesn't count.

3 points vs. 0. OH MY LORD...you're right, Dobbs is obviously light years ahead of Peterman.
 
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