Dobbs is not the answer

[KBVol]

Good God man! What is it with you guys? I mean come on! Your both right. Why can't you just give a little?

Dobbs has been terrific, dynamic and all those other super action words with his legs and has more than contributed (I only say that because its a team sport and he didn't do it by himself) to our recent success. Everyone agrees with that and has acknowledged the fact. He has unlimited potential.

Dobbs has accuracy issues. Regardless of if you agree with me, DTO etc. or not. CBJ has repeatedly stated that publicly time and again. It has been noted by the media. It has been demonstrated on the field. Its the biggest reason he was going to be redshirted. It just is.

I can understand that you, DTO and whoever want to defend their positions to the bitter end. The simple fact of the matter is that, regardless of how many facts or proof that is put out there, no one will concede. Its a no win battle for anyone. You will have members that will like the hell out of every post you make. DTO will have the same.

And it will continue until everyone gets tired of it or the next big disagreement in another thread blows up. Probably be something about negavols and sunshine pumpers.

You're asking why can't I give a little????? I've conceded that the kid is a work in progress, needs to improve his accuracy and threw the ball poorly vs Vandy? What more do you want? All the other side is saying is that he sucks, can't complete anything, that his completion percentages ARE NOT his actual completion percentages and that he'll be beaten out by an incoming true freshman.

Good GOD man!!! You're blinded by your own bias here.

 

[LittleDTO]

You're gonna downplay Josh playing well vs the 6-6 2014 South Carolina team in an attempt to discredit him...... but weren't you the one who brought up Tee's completion record vs the 1998 version of South Carolina who finished 1-10? Nice.

Dobbs had a poor day throwing the ball last Saturday after throwing the ball very well in 3 of the last 4 games. Coukd it have been that he's still a work in progress and still needs to improve his mechanics to become a more accurate passer? Hell yes. Could it have been the multiple injuries to the WR corp -no North, no Smith, no Croom, no Malone... hell yes. Could a contributing factor have been the 16-20 mph swirling wind in the stadium? Hell yes. Could playing behind the worst OL in the country, which has given up 8 sacks and twenty-effing-four (24) tackles for loss the last 2 games have played a role in Dobbs' diminished accuracy? Yes.

When it became evident that the passing game wasn't working/effective late in the second half, the coaches wised up and made the decision they should have vs Florida....shut down the passing game, run the damn ball like Dobbs did and rely on your defense to win the game..... like they did.

And I, rather than pray that Dobbs be benched or have his scholarship pulled because he was struggling throwing the ball, was thankful that he the poise and ability to find other ways to win the ballgame.....which he did.

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I didn't bring up Tee Martin.

Not one person in this thread has advocated to pull Dobbs scholarship. ...

My point is and will continue to be, Dobbs is not the answer at QB. Did he win us some games with his legs? yes. When teams scheme for him though, his passing deficiencies are glaring.

He struggles completing basic passes in practice. So basically, you aren't arguing with me, you are arguing with the coaches.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

You're asking why can't I give a little????? I've conceded that the kid is a work in progress, needs to improve his accuracy and threw the ball poorly vs Vandy? What more do you want? All the other side is saying is that he sucks, can't complete anything, that his completion percentages ARE NOT his actual completion percentages and that he'll be beaten out by an incoming true freshman.

Good GOD man!!! You're blinded by your own bias here.

Hey its your time. If your still compelled to argue with someone on the internet about something that will never be resolved, then, hey more power to you. Its just ridiculous that anyone would even argue over opinions on the internet(me included). No one can win. Your simply going in circles. He's not gonna give, I really don't care, your not gonna give. Hell I don't even know why I replied to you in the first place. No, I do know, because from reading some of your other post I just assumed that you were a level headed guy and could step back for a min. reflect and let it go.

 

[KBVol]

I didn't bring up Tee Martin.

Not one person in this thread has advocated to pull Dobbs scholarship.

My point is and will continue to be, Dobbs is not the answer at QB. Did he win us some games with his legs? yes. When teams scheme for him though, his passing deficiencies are glaring.

He struggles completing basic passes in practice. So basically, you aren't arguing with me, you are arguing with the coaches.

Really? You haven't discussed Tee Martin and his 1998 game vs Scar??? You had this discussion with "Carl Pickens" a few days ago....

Originally Posted by Carl Pickens:
Early in Tee Martin's career he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and he had a NFL caliber line and Jamal Lewis to hand off to.


LittleDTO (7,106)
09:18 PM 11-30-2014 (#P) ( Report! )

What are you talking about? Tee broke the completion record against South Carolina in 98. His first year.


You added these comments as the discussion went along....

Your response to "P.O.T.S. VOL"...

LittleDTO (7,106)
09:59 PM 11-30-2014 (#P) ( Report! )
Originally Posted by P.O.T.S. VOL:
Yes he did! And before and after that he was inconsistent at times!

As in not being on target!
You said early in his career, he was inaccurate. His first year is early in his career.

Hell, it was the 7th game against SC.

I just blasted your argument which has ZERO to do with Dobbs and his inability to hit a receiver.

Including this response to one of my posts...

LittleDTO (7,106)
12:30 AM 12-01-2014 (#P) ( Report! )
Originally Posted by KBVol:
And with that one outlier game completed a whopping 57% of his passes that year....a full 4.5% less than Dobbs' completion percentage.....with a much better OL and offensive players around him.

Tee threw down field. Dobbs throws screen passes. See what his percentage rate is beyond 5 yards.


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If you're gonna continue to descend to American Pig depths of "class" like you just did, how about we go our different ways, agree we both want the best for the Vols and end the debate?

 

[LittleDTO]

Really? You haven't discussed Tee Martin and his 1998 game vs Scar??? You had this discussion with "Carl Pickens" a few days ago....

Originally Posted by Carl Pickens:
Early in Tee Martin's career he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and he had a NFL caliber line and Jamal Lewis to hand off to.

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LittleDTO (7,106)
09:18 PM 11-30-2014 (#P) ( Report! )

What are you talking about? Tee broke the completion record against South Carolina in 98. His first year.


You added these comments as the discussion went along....

Your response to "P.O.T.S. VOL"...

LittleDTO (7,106)
09:59 PM 11-30-2014 (#P) ( Report! )
Originally Posted by P.O.T.S. VOL:
Yes he did! And before and after that he was inconsistent at times!

As in not being on target!
You said early in his career, he was inaccurate. His first year is early in his career.

Hell, it was the 7th game against SC.

I just blasted your argument which has ZERO to do with Dobbs and his inability to hit a receiver.

Including this response to one of my posts...

LittleDTO (7,106)
12:30 AM 12-01-2014 (#P) ( Report! )
Originally Posted by KBVol:
And with that one outlier game completed a whopping 57% of his passes that year....a full 4.5% less than Dobbs' completion percentage.....with a much better OL and offensive players around him.

Tee threw down field. Dobbs throws screen passes. See what his percentage rate is beyond 5 yards.


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If you're gonna continue to descend to American Pig depths of "class" like you just did, how about we go our different ways, agree we both want the best for the Vols and end the debate?

It was brought up to me. I just responded. Get your arguments and facts straight. You are losing so bad it's pathetic.

In fact, go argue with the coaching staff and talk about completion percentage with them since they are the ones who said he has accuracy issues. Take it up with the media guys who are at practices as well.

I'm done with arguing all your straw man points.

 

[butchna]

It was brought up to me. I just responded. Get your arguments and facts straight. You are losing so bad it's pathetic.

In fact, go argue with the coaching staff and talk about completion percentage with them since they are the ones who said he has accuracy issues. Take it up with the media guys who are at practices as well.

I'm done with arguing all your straw man points.

This coaching staff is going to argue FOR Tee Martin? :huh:

 

[KBVol]

Hey its your time. If your still compelled to argue with someone on the internet about something that will never be resolved, then, hey more power to you. Its just ridiculous that anyone would even argue over opinions on the internet(me included). No one can win. Your simply going in circles. He's not gonna give, I really don't care, your not gonna give. Hell I don't even know why I replied to you in the first place. No, I do know, because from reading some of your other post I just assumed that you were a level headed guy and could step back for a min. reflect and let it go.

Do you even read my posts? I'm guessing no. You can possibly read them fully and give this type of reply. All I've done is compare completion percentages, make mention of the games this year where he's thrown the ball very well and then say he's a work in progress, threw the ball poorly vs Vandy and needs to work on/improve his accuracy, which, I'm certain he will. How the hell is that either "not giving in" or talking in circles? Jeez dude, just put me on ignore.

 

[KBVol]

It was brought up to me. I just responded. Get your arguments and facts straight. You are losing so bad it's pathetic.

In fact, go argue with the coaching staff and talk about completion percentage with them since they are the ones who said he has accuracy issues. Take it up with the media guys who are at practices as well.

I'm done with arguing all your straw man points.

Parsing words. I figured. So although you discussed it in at least 3 different posts, you didn't actually "bring it up"....lol.

 

[KBVol]

It was brought up to me. I just responded. Get your arguments and facts straight. You are losing so bad it's pathetic.

In fact, go argue with the coaching staff and talk about completion percentage with them since they are the ones who said he has accuracy issues. Take it up with the media guys who are at practices as well.

I'm done with arguing all your straw man points.

Let's see who the starter is for bowl game and let's see who starts at qb next September, shall we? Both of those decisions will let us know what the coaches think.

 

[VolBoyFord]

Every QB pads their stats against poor defenses.

He threw it pretty well against SC and KY, also had some good throws against Mizzou. Also in the O&W game. Go back and watch. We are not going to a bowl without Dobbs.

The coaches choked, got scared, with their play calling in the Vandy game due to their need to win.

However, I will agree that he needs to work on the intermediate passing game. All players have things they need to work on.

The coaches hardly choked. It's called playing conservative when you're up. Just because they weren't slinging the ball downfield, especially after 2 interceptions, doesn't mean coaching mistakes. They were trying to keep the ball close to the ground and control the clock. We were playing not to lose, we weren't playing to blow them out.

 

[voldawgforever]

His throws have been horrible. He doesn't process the defense fast enough either.

Watch for 1 of the early enrolling freshman, to make a big push for PT next year.

Brilliant

 

[LittleDTO]

Parsing words. I figured. So although you discussed it in at least 3 different posts, you didn't actually "bring it up"....lol.

What is funny, is that you can't even admit you are wrong and have zero clue what you are talking about.

 

[Orange koolaid]

Dobbs is a gamer. He will win this team a lot of games in his time here.It has been a while since we have had a QB that when we are down 7 with 2 mins to go that we had a chance to win.Anybody that doesn't see how bad that offensive line is should rewatch that mizz game and just watch the offensive line.It is embarrassing how bad they are.

 

[LittleDTO]

Let's see who the starter is for bowl game and let's see who starts at qb next September, shall we? Both of those decisions will let us know what the coaches think.

Again, you are the king of straw man arguments. In any of my posts, did I say Dobbs wouldn't start the bowl game?

Did I say he wouldn't start this coming September?

I said he isn't the answer for us at QB and one of the Freshman (that are enrolling early) will make a big push for PT.

Lie and deceive some more though man. You can't even have a basic point-counter point discussion with you because you make things up and continue to present straw man arguments.

 

[KBVol]

What is funny, is that you can't even admit you are wrong and have zero clue what you are talking about.

I never said you "brought it up". I said what you said about it. I said you touted Tee's accomplishment vs 1998 SCarolina, a 1-10 team, but disparaged Dobbs accomplishment vs 2014 SCarolina, a 6-6 team.....which you did.

 

[butchna]

Again, you are the king of straw man arguments. In any of my posts, did I say Dobbs wouldn't start the bowl game?

Did I say he wouldn't start this coming September?

I said he isn't the answer for us at QB and one of the Freshman (that are enrolling early) will make a big push for PT.

Lie and deceive some more though man. You can't even have a basic point-counter point discussion with you because you make things up and continue to present straw man arguments.

I've heard this before...I know I have. :question:

 

[theFallGuy]

His throws have been horrible. He doesn't process the defense fast enough either.

Watch for 1 of the early enrolling freshman, to make a big push for PT next year.

Riley Ferguson is the secret weapon here.

 

[theFallGuy]

Again, you are the king of straw man arguments. In any of my posts, did I say Dobbs wouldn't start the bowl game?

Did I say he wouldn't start this coming September?

I said he isn't the answer for us at QB and one of the Freshman (that are enrolling early) will make a big push for PT.

Lie and deceive some more though man. You can't even have a basic point-counter point discussion with you because you make things up and continue to present straw man arguments.

I got news for you, there will be no freshman at QB next year or the year after that and that's a good thing. Better get used to Dobbs.

 

[KBVol]

Again, you are the king of straw man arguments. In any of my posts, did I say Dobbs wouldn't start the bowl game?

Did I say he wouldn't start this coming September?

I said he isn't the answer for us at QB and one of the Freshman (that are enrolling early) will make a big push for PT.

Lie and deceive some more though man. You can't even have a basic point-counter point discussion with you because you make things up and continue to present straw man arguments.

By making my comments about who would start in the bowl game and who would start next September, I'm simply pointing out that your opinion about Dobbs is at odds with the coaches opinion about Dobbs.

You've said you don't think he's the answer for us at QB and I'm pointing out that evidently the coaches do by who they've played since Worley went out, by who will start in the bowl game, by who is likely to be our starter next year. No lying, no deceiving, no "straw man". Lol.

 

[LittleDTO]

By making my comments about who would start in the bowl game and who would start next September, I'm simply pointing out that your opinion about Dobbs is at odds with the coaches opinion about Dobbs.

You've said you don't think he's the answer for us at QB and I'm pointing out that evidently the coaches do by who they've played since Worley went out, by who will start in the bowl game, by who is likely to be our starter next year. No lying, no deceiving, no "straw man". Lol.

We have yet to see who will start in September. The coaches put him at third string at the beginning of this year (because of accuracy issues) after starting a few games last year.

Dobbs will have to have a significant improvement over the spring and summer, to keep his job next season.

Is our Oline the answer? They played this year.
They were the best available. We have guys coming in that have a great shot at winning a starting job because of lack of athleticism at the Oline position.

 

[butchna]

We have yet to see who will start in September. The coaches put him at third string at the beginning of this year (because of accuracy issues) after starting a few games last year.

Dobbs will have to have a significant improvement over the spring and summer, to keep his job next season.

Really?...so Nathan Peterman and/or a TRUE freshman is going to be better equipped? I think you're significantly wrong.

 

[LittleDTO]

Really?...so Nathan Peterman and/or a TRUE freshman is going to be better equipped? I think you're significantly wrong.

Freshman......yep. I think that with spring practice, these freshman will be equipped to step in.

 

[butchna]

Freshman......yep. I think that with spring practice, these freshman will be equipped to step in.

I think that Dobbs will fine tune and improve this offseason and our offense will benefit...but if he didn't improve ONE IOTA there's not a threat to his job on the roster or currently attending high school.

 

[HottyToddyVol]

I think Dobbs will lose his starting job at some point next year to a freshmen. We have had some freshmen QBs play and they have been pretty good at times so don't pretend like it's completely outrageous to see a freshman start.

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Do you even read my posts? I'm guessing no. You can possibly read them fully and give this type of reply. All I've done is compare completion percentages, make mention of the games this year where he's thrown the ball very well and then say he's a work in progress, threw the ball poorly vs Vandy and needs to work on/improve his accuracy, which, I'm certain he will. How the hell is that either "not giving in" or talking in circles? Jeez dude, just put me on ignore.

Dude, I was giving you a freakin compliment when I stated that I assumed that you were a level headed guy. Are you suggesting that I came to the wrong conclusion? This has got to be the first. Someone actually arguing against a positive comment about themselves. Damn.

Bro, I apologize if I offended you by giving you a compliment. No I won't put you on ignore, its a childish way to avoid conflict. It shows an inability to have self-control and composure. The easy way out.