Dobbs is not the answer

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Burger said:
We can't be starting freshmen on the Oline if we want to move forward.
Neither of the Freshmen will beat out Dobbs. You must really think you can plug and play a guy right away without learning anything..
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Oh, we will. I can almost guarantee that. The upgrade will be noticeable. Gotta put the best players on the field. That's why we started so many freshman this year.
 
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LittleDTO said:
Right, so I contend that the 7th game of his career is early and he broke a completion record then.
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Martin was also a Jr. and received all of the snaps as the starter in the spring and fall leading up to the season.

Did you watch the SC game in which Martin set the record or were you even born at the time?
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Martin was also a Jr. and received all of the snaps as the starter in the spring and fall leading up to the season.

Did you watch the SC game in which Martin set the record or were you even born at the time?
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I was in college son.

Were you?
 
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American Pig said:
It ain't hard to understand POTS. I just wan't to know what you think of the tri-cities? I thought it was beautiful during my brief visits..
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LOL! What? That post wasn't for you!

BUT, I like it better then knoxville now that i'm older. It makes coming home more special for games, to me anyways! Mountains, golf courses, good fishing, a clean lake and a few good bartenders is all i need! There are pretty and ugly spots like most places but "The Eastmans" plant as some locals call it definitely stinks. Guess you get use to it! Virgina can have the rest of Bristol too! Who wants to watch a bunch of cars go in ovals! Prob gonna get flamed and cursed for that one!
 
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Dobbs is the answer. He will emerge from the winter conditioning and spring practice as the clear number 1. What remains to be seen is whether Peterman stays on in the #2 spot or does he move on and open up the door for one of the young guns to man the 2 hole. Anyone thinking that this is not the way it will go down is dreaming. It would be good for Peterman to stay and push Dobbs every day in practice. Let the two younguns learn the system and get bigger, fasTer, and stronger in the SC department.
 
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AllVolinGA said:
Dobbs is the answer. He will emerge from the winter conditioning and spring practice as the clear number 1. What remains to be seen is whether Peterman stays on in the #2 spot or does he move on and open up the door for one of the young guns to man the 2 hole. Anyone thinking that this is not the way it will go down is dreaming. It would be good for Peterman to stay and push Dobbs every day in practice. Let the two younguns learn the system and get bigger, fasTer, and stronger in the SC department.
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What he said!
 
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AllVolinGA said:
Dobbs is the answer. He will emerge from the winter conditioning and spring practice as the clear number 1. What remains to be seen is whether Peterman stays on in the #2 spot or does he move on and open up the door for one of the young guns to man the 2 hole. Anyone thinking that this is not the way it will go down is dreaming. It would be good for Peterman to stay and push Dobbs every day in practice. Let the two younguns learn the system and get bigger, fasTer, and stronger in the SC department.
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Ditto!

He is a work in progress but the kid has a load of natural talent. He makes plays and wins football games. The ONLY way he is not the starter next year is he's not healthy.
 
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If Dobbs was just a passer, he would not be the quarterback. His running ability is what makes him good quarterback. Even if he can just become a consistent intermediate passer, we have our QB.

How many snaps were at his feet at Vandy and how many times did a D tackle blow up our center?

Is he our best QB ever, no. But he is pretty good.
 
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nashvol1 said:
If Dobbs was just a passer, he would not be the quarterback. His running ability is what makes him good quarterback. Even if he can just become a consistent intermediate passer, we have our QB.

How many snaps were at his feet at Vandy and how many times did a D tackle blow up our center?

Is he our best QB ever, no. But he is pretty good.
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Couldn't agree more, I think he's got to be the guy going forward unless Jennings just comes in and looks great or somehow Peterman steps up and gets a clue
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Subjective opinions mean nothing are are usually dead wrong. You are ridiculously wrong

Martin 55.4 pct pass completion
Dobbs 60.6 pct pass completion
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This QB stat is usually very misleading for those who don't look at big picture; one of highest pct % in NFL is.....Tony Romo....68.2%. And the Dallas Cowboys are where in the Super Bowl conversation? nowhere.

Anyone can dink/slant to a higher percentage.

Exception might be Rogers with high % and career success. He throws TDs and executes at critical game moments.

Dobbs is not the QB type CBJ heads up his spread offense with UNLESS he learns to pass the ball downfield.

I look forward to NEXT in the QB recruitment.
 
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tenninohio said:
This QB stat is usually very misleading for those who don't look at big picture; one of highest pct % in NFL is.....Tony Romo....68.2%. And the Dallas Cowboys are where in the Super Bowl conversation? nowhere.

Anyone can dink/slant to a higher percentage.

Exception might be Rogers with high % and career success. He throws TDs and executes at critical game moments.

Dobbs is not the QB type CBJ heads up his spread offense with UNLESS he learns to pass the ball downfield.

I look forward to NEXT in the QB recruitment.
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Breaking News: North, Malone, Croom and Smith are out. Thought I would clue you in on target reduction.
 
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tenninohio said:
This QB stat is usually very misleading for those who don't look at big picture; one of highest pct % in NFL is.....Tony Romo....68.2%. And the Dallas Cowboys are where in the Super Bowl conversation? nowhere.

Anyone can dink/slant to a higher percentage.

Exception might be Rogers with high % and career success. He throws TDs and executes at critical game moments.

Dobbs is not the QB type CBJ heads up his spread offense with UNLESS he learns to pass the ball downfield.

I look forward to NEXT in the QB recruitment.
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This. But your wasting your time. You will never get an acknowledgement that your right, or at least could be right.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Breaking News: North, Malone, Croom and Smith are out. Thought I would clue you in on target reduction.
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How does it matter who is playing if they don't actually have a chance to catch the ball? It could be Jerry Rice and it wouldn't matter where Dobbs accuracy is concerned. If they can't get their hands on it they can't catch it.

Now accuse me of being anti-Dobbs or a Dobbs hater instead of acknowledging that I might have a point.
 
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LittleDTO said:
Oh, we will. I can almost guarantee that. The upgrade will be noticeable. Gotta put the best players on the field. That's why we started so many freshman this year.
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I think you're completely wrong about next year. We started so many freshmen this year because there are hardly any of '12 class left on campus. I think the '13 and '14 classes will occupy over 80% of the starting sports next year.

For the sake of '16, '17, and '18, we should redshirt as many '15 kids as we can especially the linemen.
 
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tenninohio said:
This QB stat is usually very misleading for those who don't look at big picture; one of highest pct % in NFL is.....Tony Romo....68.2%. And the Dallas Cowboys are where in the Super Bowl conversation? nowhere.

Anyone can dink/slant to a higher percentage.

Exception might be Rogers with high % and career success. He throws TDs and executes at critical game moments.

Dobbs is not the QB type CBJ heads up his spread offense with UNLESS he learns to pass the ball downfield.

I look forward to NEXT in the QB recruitment.
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Actually, this isn't true. Look at Worley's numbers last year. It was the same dinking passing game (as his yards per completion show) and he lit it up for 55.6%. You have to deliver the throws accurately and on time.

And the thing about what type QB Jones wants is wrong as well. He has never ever had a vertical passing game. He's always used the "get the playmakers the ball 'in space'" mentality.

And, what in the world does Romo and Super Bowls have to do with anything. a) Plenty of lousy QBs have Super Bowl Rings; b) the Cowboys (of whom I am not a fan) are one game from the best record in the league; c) Romo's problem is that he folds under pressure and nothing else. The discussion was about throwing the ball upfield, and Romo's ypc is 8th in the league, ahead of Peyton, Stafford, Roethlisberger, Brady...

The only place I agree with you is that completion percentage isn't the end all stat. It is, however, a very important stat when people keep referring to alleged "accuracy problems".
 
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:rock:Did not see to many passes he missed to open receivers. Problem is by the time he came on the scene the decent receivers were so banged up they could not out run a turtle.:machgun:
 
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American Pig said:
What statement is patently false KBVol?
Demonstrate it! Otherwise, your statement is in fact patently false.
(a) There are no stats here indicating how many deep or mid-range passes are completed.
(b) Comparison to Worley is not compelling.

I realize from our past encounters that intellectual honesty means nothing to you, but any honest informed person can see there is a real longstanding problem with Dobbs accuracy. You wan't to deny it. Just like you denied Peterman had a broken hand in the Florida meltdown - even after it was proven to you. Just like you denied Peterman's broken throwing hand affected his play - after you were caught and proven wrong about the fact of his broken hand and when it happened.
Just like you denied your viscous attitude towards Peterman - after being caught red-handed spewing your vicious bile attacking Peterman's mental competence, etc. Denial and spin is not an argument. You need an argument based on something true and real - not your superficial surface impressions and biases.
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You said this......

Originally Posted by American Pig:
Dobbs passing stats are roughly equivalent to Worley except that Worley was throwing downfield, while Dobbs stats are padded with short screens and shovel passes that are little more than handoffs.


I refuted your statement that Worley threw the ball downfield vs Dobbs only throwing short screens and shovel passes with the statistic that proves otherwise, which is average yards per pass attempt. It essentially measures to what extent a QB is throwing the ball downfield as it computes the average yards gained across all thrown passes, both complete and incomplete. While Dobbs' average yards per pass attempt is at best middle of the road for most SEC QBs, it is actually higher than Worley's was (6.9 for Dobbs vs 6.3 for Worley), which proves your original statement comparing Dobbs to Worley false.

Now, I'm 100% certain that you'll deny this, spin this, call me dishonest, etc, just like you erroneously did before to not only me, but to anybody that provided overwhelming evidence (in the form of articles and even video) that Jones intended to redshirt Dobbs, but I thought could at least provide the information so all the other posters could once again see what a fraud you are with your ridiculously inaccurate and delusional posts. And like Sjt18 said....it's kinda fun.

By the way... please take a little time, go back to those qb threads which you referenced, and find and repost those vicious, lying, awful posts you said I authored about Peterman. Here's a hint.....you won't find em cause they don't exist. What you'll find are accurate statements about his play, when he was injured vs Florida (first drive of 2nd qtr) and more than one statement where I said he was a great kid, hard worker, great teammate and very resilient.... but just doesn't have the poise or emotional makeup to play in the SEC.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
How does it matter who is playing if they don't actually have a chance to catch the ball? It could be Jerry Rice and it wouldn't matter where Dobbs accuracy is concerned. If they can't get their hands on it they can't catch it.

Now accuse me of being anti-Dobbs or a Dobbs hater instead of acknowledging that I might have a point.
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The problem with this is that catching the ball isn't the only aspect of being a receiver. The ability to get open and create space is there too. We were missing 4 recievers that have been or always were starters at one point. I'm no expert but something tells me the back-ups to the back-ups aren't quite as good at getting open and making plays.
 
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