Dobbs is not the answer

yeah, I don't care what side of this argument you stand on, but to say Worley threw down field more is laughable. He was the king of the screen pass. And as you have demonstrated, the stats back that one up.

If someone said that it was about equal then I could say that it is at least debatable, and that it likely is just what this offense dictates, but to act like Worley is some kind of down field passer compared to Dobbs means people are seeing what they want to see, not what is actually happening.....again check the YPA.

Revisionist history has Worley as some sort of gunslinger...at least in comparison to Dobbs...anything completed downfield by Worley required the receiver to either wait or go back for the ball...see the Josh Smith catch in the Oklahoma game and ANY downfield North reception for reference...it's pretty telling that a four year senior has less career 300 passing yardage games than this useless Dobbs we speak of...and that's without the benefit of playing the Austin Peayzes and UTCs of the world.
 
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What happened when teams figured out that Dobbs can't throw down field?

Secondly, it is EXTREMELY well documented, that the kid is inaccurate. Even the coaches have said so.

Did Dobbs come in and fill the position for the remainder of the season decently well....yes.

Is he the future? IMO no. I think one of the Freshman coming in have an excellent chance of beating him out.

Hell, Dobbs started the last few games last year and ended up 3rd on the depth chart at the beginning of the season.

I get it......you love Dobbs, but to deny his accuracy issue, flies in the face of reality and even what the coaches say. Anyone with half a football brain can see that he is extremely limited in what he can do as a QB. He makes our offense very one dimensional.

I don't "love" Dobbs, but I get sick of guys coming on here and trashing him. I also defended Worley last year and this year as well when a lot of posters came on here saying he's garbage, has no arm, can't run, and can't play.

I do pull for Dobbs because I see a tremendous amount of potential in him and I think he's a great kid and a great face of the program. All I've tried to do is offer more than a biased opinion by posting the most objective measures of his performance, his statistics and the actual things he's accomplished.

You don't think he's the right qb going forward, got it, no worries. But I do.... and many fans do, many SEC observers do, and since he was the primary reason Butch Jones is going to a bowl game, I'm betting he does too. If one of the talented young freshmen come in a beat him out, so be it....I'm a Tennessee fan first and foremost. And if that freshman struggles next year, why do I think I'll be in here defending him as well?
 
I don't "love" Dobbs, but I get sick of guys coming on here and trashing him. I also defended Worley last year and this year as well when a lot of posters came on here saying he's garbage, has no arm, can't run, and can't play.

I do pull for Dobbs because I see a tremendous amount of potential in him and I think he's a great kid and a great face of the program. All I've tried to do is offer more than a biased opinion by posting the most objective measures of his performance, his statistics and the actual things he's accomplished.

You don't think he's the right qb going forward, got it, no worries. But I do.... and many fans do, many SEC observers do, and since he was the primary reason Butch Jones is going to a bowl game, I'm betting he does too. If one of the talented young freshmen come in a beat him out, so be it....I'm a Tennessee fan first and foremost. And if that freshman struggles next year, why do I think I'll be in here defending him as well?

He'll need the backup...these guys have no concept of how bad they suck until our Negavols get aholt of em! :yuck:
 
So Dobbs is the only qb in the SEC that throws a lot of wr screens, bubble screens, hitch and slant routes? Have you seen modern offenses who employ the short passing game? Those flat routes are a big part of the passing with every sec team who doesn't have a player named Amari Cooper, LaQuon Treadwell and Sammie Coates/Duke Williams. Plus, Dobbs plays behind arguably the worst OL in the nation, certainly by far the worst in the conference. And which of our wideouts has had a remotely good season that even got near preseason expectations this year? The only healthy, reliable WR that got near expectations was 5'8" Pig Howard.....boy that's a helluva WR corp to throw to....why, guys just running free all over the damn place.

Does Dobbs need to improve his consistency and accuracy? Absolutely, no doubt about it. He'll make an outstanding 20 yd throw into a tight window, followed by missing an open receiver running a 7 yard out. I get it. But all you anti-Dobbites consistently talk about the kid like he's completing 40% of his passes and hasn't shown excellent flashes of being able to accurately throw darts, especially in the middle of the field (see Bama and SCar games). He's literally the primary reason why we're headed to a bowl game and I'll be damned if I'm not gonna defend the kid vs guys that like the OP who started this ridiculous thread and wanna constantly say the kid sucks.

Agreed. And what I left out of my little rant was that the long balls (i.e. 30 yards or more) are pretty consistent. That is, he misses a little short and too far inside on three out of four of them. It's rare that the guys actually get open, but 3 more yards upfield and to the outside will hit some of those.
 
They aren't misleading because it's a comparison of Worley and Dobbs, and Worley also threw an inordinate number of quick screens and, worse, three yard passes to a wideout who had to stand and wait on the ball. Dobbs is averaging more per completion running the same plays. His timing is better on those. You'll notice that Dobbs also has more 25+ plays than Worley with 100 less throws. Doesn't seem likely it's because he's THAT MUCH better than Worley on the quick hitters. (He is better, but THAT MUCH better?) Much more likely it's because when he hits a pass in the 15-25 range, we hear the "yeah, but..." excuses, and forget that they just gained 30 yards on a nicely thrown ball.

He made several plays in the South Carolina game that Worley wouldn't have had a hope of hitting, especially on the big drive at the end. He made wonderful throws in the Alabama game. It's true that he had a bad game throwing against Vandy. It's also true that no receiver could get separation (and no North, no Croom, no Malone), the patchwork offensive line was overmatched, and the coaches panicked. (When the guys aren't open and you have no faith in them making a play, you start trying to throw a perfect ball, which usually is disastrous.)

Bo Wallace was 13 of 30 against Mississippi State. He was also, btw, 13 of 28 against US. I didn't hear "accuracy problems"; I heard "he's not having his best day throwing today". I also didn't see Freeze panic. "Oh, no! What if he throws an interception?!" They ran plays to get receivers more open and kept cranking it. What we do is, stop trying anything past the line of scrimmage. Stop trying anything that might actually work. Cower in our bunker and hope to hang on. It's the same mentality that had Worley starting at the first of the year.
Dude, Its a fact that Dobbs stats are skewed because of the type of passes he has primarily completed. I'm not comparing him to anyone. I'm simply stating a fact. You can interpret the stats anyway you would like to prove your argument. You guys use his completion percentage rate as a counter to the real or perceived accuracy issue. I'm just trying to get across to you that using his completion percentage rate as a counter to the accuracy issue is not a good indicator. I could care less what Worley, Wallace or anyone else did, has done or will do.

And yes, the yards after catch make up a lot of his 25+ yard plays. Not all of them and no one is saying that he has never completed a vertical pass.

Don't take it so personally. Not every player is perfect and its ok.
 
Really? The evidence says otherwise....Dobbs has actually averaged a full half yard more per attempt this year than Worley.....6.9 ypa vs 6.3ypa for Justin, so your statement, as usual, is patently false. And Justin had North to throw to in all his games and another opening game starter Josh Smith to throw to for 3 games. Justin also got to throw against our OOC patsies while Josh, just like last year, gets "thrown to the wolves"(one of your favorite phrases) vs Bama his first game.

What statement is patently false KBVol?
Demonstrate it! Otherwise, your statement is in fact patently false.
(a) There are no stats here indicating how many deep or mid-range passes are completed.
(b) Comparison to Worley is not compelling.

I realize from our past encounters that intellectual honesty means nothing to you, but any honest informed person can see there is a real longstanding problem with Dobbs accuracy. You wan't to deny it. Just like you denied Peterman had a broken hand in the Florida meltdown - even after it was proven to you. Just like you denied Peterman's broken throwing hand affected his play - after you were caught and proven wrong about the fact of his broken hand and when it happened.
Just like you denied your viscous attitude towards Peterman - after being caught red-handed spewing your vicious bile attacking Peterman's mental competence, etc. Denial and spin is not an argument. You need an argument based on something true and real - not your superficial surface impressions and biases.
 
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How many deep balls would Manning and Tee have completed with this OL and WR's? It's hard to throw the ball down the field when the defense is rushing 3 or 4,getting pressure, and playing coverage. Tee would not have been very good with this OL and WR's, and Dobbs would be a lot better with Tee's OL and WR's. Peyton :question: he's the best ever, so he would have made it work.


I agree on this shoney. Tee and Peyton would be hammered behind this line. The O-line protection is terrible to non-existent. You are not wrong, but the problem the coaches and others (including me) see is that Dobbs had terrible accuracy problems last year and throughout the preseason. Dobbs in fact lost the number 2 position to Peterman due to Dobbs terrible inaccuracy in preseason - and Peterman's strong passing accuracy in drills. Despite all the redshirt mythology trying to explain why Dobbs was #3 behind Peterman, that's what actually happened.
This terrible offensive line is why Dobbs is playing. We needed his mobility and fast running to escape the pressure. It helped big for a couple games. Still, any long-term solution will require a competent passer. I am not going to say Dobbs cannot do it, but the history is not encouraging.
 
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Who gives a rat's ass about the distance of the pass? I'll take 4 yard screens all day long, all the way down the field....
 
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What???? Just a couple weeks ago many thought Dobbs was the greatest thing to happen to Tennessee football since Peyton. People were working on just the right nickname and everything. Now it's discovered he is just human.

People need to learn to manage their expectations and emotional hormonal swings.

This is not a knock on Dobbs.
 
What???? Just a couple weeks ago many thought Dobbs was the greatest thing to happen to Tennessee football since Peyton. People were working on just the right nickname and everything. Now it's discovered he is just human.

People need to learn to manage their expectations and emotional hormonal swings.

This is not a knock on Dobbs.
Agreed. This is what Butch was trying to tell everyone but he was immediately accused of "not supporting his players"
 
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What???? Just a couple weeks ago many thought Dobbs was the greatest thing to happen to Tennessee football since Peyton. People were working on just the right nickname and everything. Now it's discovered he is just human.

People need to learn to manage their expectations and emotional hormonal swings.

This is not a knock on Dobbs.

Agreed. The Dobbsgasms and hype were wayyyy outside reality. We need reality.

Now give that man a prize.
 
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You said early in his career, he was inaccurate. His first year is early in his career.

Hell, it was the 7th game against SC.

I just blasted your argument which has ZERO to do with Dobbs and his inability to hit a receiver.

Nope! I never said that! But i can see how this whole process can be complicated for someone like you!

So what did you blast? NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I think the plain and simple fact is this.

We all agree that the Oline was terrible. Do we as Vol fans hope they get better and gel as a unit? Yes. The more likely scenario is that a freshman or two, will be a starter next year. Why? Because the current guys aren't the answer.

That's all I'm saying with Dobbs. He was serviceable this year and won a few games. However, even the coaches tried to hide his deficiencies in the last 2 games. It was evident. I believe that one of the freshman QBs (both are enrolling early) has a great chance of beating out Dobbs. We need a QB that can keep the safeties back and linebackers respecting the pass. When this happens, watch Hurd blow up with huge rushing games.
 
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I think the plain and simple fact is this.

We all agree that the Oline was terrible. Do we as Vol fans hope they get better and gel as a unit? Yes. The more likely scenario is that a freshman or two, will be a starter next year. Why? Because the current guys aren't the answer.

That's all I'm saying with Dobbs. He was serviceable this year and won a few games. However, even the coaches tried to hide his deficiencies in the last 2 games. It was evident. I believe that one of the freshman QBs (both are enrolling early) has a great chance of beating out Dobbs. We need a QB that can keep the safeties back and linebackers respecting the pass. When this happens, watch Hurd blow up with huge rushing games.

We can't be starting freshmen on the Oline if we want to move forward.
Neither of the Freshmen will beat out Dobbs. You must really think you can plug and play a guy right away without learning anything..
 
Dude, Its a fact that Dobbs stats are skewed because of the type of passes he has primarily completed. I'm not comparing him to anyone. I'm simply stating a fact. You can interpret the stats anyway you would like to prove your argument. You guys use his completion percentage rate as a counter to the real or perceived accuracy issue. I'm just trying to get across to you that using his completion percentage rate as a counter to the accuracy issue is not a good indicator. I could care less what Worley, Wallace or anyone else did, has done or will do.

And yes, the yards after catch make up a lot of his 25+ yard plays. Not all of them and no one is saying that he has never completed a vertical pass.

Don't take it so personally. Not every player is perfect and its ok.

Actually, I used all the available passing stats, not just completion percentage.
 
Revisionist history has Worley as some sort of gunslinger...at least in comparison to Dobbs...anything completed downfield by Worley required the receiver to either wait or go back for the ball...see the Josh Smith catch in the Oklahoma game and ANY downfield North reception for reference...it's pretty telling that a four year senior has less career 300 passing yardage games than this useless Dobbs we speak of...and that's without the benefit of playing the Austin Peayzes and UTCs of the world.

We either have the WORST offensive coordinator in the SEC OR neither Worley nor Dobbs was really any good (Dobbs could scramble against horrible defenses and Worley could pass on weak secondaries).

Our offensive scheme (jet sweeps, reverses, wide receiver screens, etc) is horrendous and it showed all year. I can only hope they were just protecting Worley and Dobbs from embarrassing them by giving them really easy tasks. I almost never saw a more frustrating offense. At least Dooley had Bray, who could throw the ball.

At the end of the day, I'd say it was a draw between Worley and Dobbs. I'd put up Worley's performance against Georgia over Dobbs performance against USCe any day. But really, neither QBs are very good. True the O-line was horrible, but that's only part of the problem at UT going forward.
 
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You must really think you can plug and play a guy right away without learning anything..

KBVol, stj18 and assorted other Peterman-haters believe that QB's are like appliances. They expect immediate results when plugged in. Otherwise, they rip them apart with bad reviews and throw them away. Smarter people withhold judgement until experience is gained.
 
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I think the system works...and each year the players are ingrained into it make them more dangerous.
 

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