Dobbs is already moving up the Depth Chart

#76
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Darth_Shiveman said:
I think their draft has been overrated (I don't really like the Peppers and Kizer picks), but this is ridiculous. Taking Dobbs 134 picks earlier than the rest of the league valued him wasn't going to make them any better.

You can make a decent argument that they should have held off on a QB until later (I read a good quote this weekend that likened their Kizer pick to a second guessing of their moneyball strategy in lieu of taking a QB with a 2nd/3rd round grade just because he was there and it was expected) or taken a different QB at that spot even.

The fact of the matter is the browns are a lot more than a QB away from having a good team. And there weren't any can't miss guys to pick #1 at QB this year. It's very telling that the top two guys taken this season are projected to sit behind a veteran for at least a season, if not longer.

Fact of the matter is the browns could have somehow lucked out and gotten the 6-7 of the 10 best players in this draft and they'd still probably middle of the pack at best in 2017. And they've got 5 picks in the first 2 rounds to work with next year. If there is a QB they fall in love with for the 2018 draft, they should have a pretty good chance of snagging him.
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One QB on the field is more of a football team then 52 players with no QB. I've been in this hamster wheel called Browns football for 29 years.

... and if you didn't think the was a number ine overall you trade the frigging pick. Which I would have been fine with but ESPN has this fanbase convinced Garrett is the savior arisen. There would have been pitchforks in the streets.
 
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I feel like we have seen a lot better college quarterbacks than Dobbs not have great success in the league. Are some of you getting ahead of yourselves? Two of the most critical aspects of the NFL game, accuracy and reading defenses/going through progression, he has flat out struggled with....for 2 1/2 years. Oh and he's not the first athlete to have hard classes in college. You guys acting like aero engineering is some sort of transcendent program full of great minds working 50+ hours a week on school. Come on. I'm sure it's hard, but it's an undergrad degree. I hope he has great success, but let's stay grounded in reality.
 
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Souprmann said:
I feel like we have seen a lot better college quarterbacks than Dobbs not have great success in the league. Are some of you getting ahead of yourselves? Two of the most critical aspects of the NFL game, accuracy and reading defenses/going through progression, he has flat out struggled with....for 2 1/2 years. Oh and he's not the first athlete to have hard classes in college. You guys acting like aero engineering is some sort of transcendent program full of great minds working 50+ hours a week on school. Come on. I'm sure it's hard, but it's an undergrad degree. I hope he has great success, but let's stay grounded in reality.
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Be prepared for people to just keep repeating "Dak Prescott", even though he's the clear exception AND he's only played 1 season. RG3 and Kaepernick looked like the next big thing after their first season too.

People need to pump the brakes.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Be prepared for people to just keep repeating "Dak Prescott", even though he's the clear exception AND he's only played 1 season. RG3 and Kaepernick looked like the next big thing after their first season too.

People need to pump the brakes.
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And, FTR, Dak Prescott without a DUI and beach brawl caught on camera may very well have been a 2nd round guy and not a 4th rounder.

His off the field questions definitely contributed at least somewhat to his fall down draft boards
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not sure why people are saying Jones is "horrible". He had 600 yards, 4 TDs, at 62% with only 2 INTs on 86 attempts. That's not bad. A 3rd day pick rookie beating him out would be a pretty impressive accomplishment.
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And 75% of that production came in one game against the horrible Cleveland Browns. He threw for around 300 yds, 3 TDS that day. So he shredded one of the worst defenses in the league. Real impressive.

People are only looking at stats with LJ, the people that don't consistently watch Pittsburgh play or know anything about the team. Go to any Pittsburgh forum or fan site and discuss Landry with fans who actually watch him play on a consistent basis for the past 4 years.

Dobbs may be inconsistent but at least he has the toolset needed to be successful in the NFL and is an unknown. We haven't seen him work with a true QB coach yet. Steelers fans know LJ. We know what we get with him. And it's not good. Too many people are already counting on LJ as the QB2 just because he signed some contract with only $600,000 guaranteed.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
1/2 of the time he will make the right read, the other 1/2 his feet will save the day.

1/2 the time he will be accurate, the other 1/2 his WR will save the day.

Or he could go bust and then you will be right.

Either way once he signs his contract he will be a millionaire.

Go VFL!
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Don't count on that in the NFL. Everyone is much faster. He won't last long if he's using his feet too often. It's not like he's going to be the starting QB either, unless of course, he can't beat Jones out for the back-up role and Rothliesberger gets hurt. And no, once he signs the contract he will not be an instant millionaire
 
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VersaceButch said:
And 75% of that production came in one game against the horrible Cleveland Browns. He threw for around 300 yds, 3 TDS that day. So he shredded one of the worst defenses in the league. Real impressive.

People are only looking at stats with LJ, the people that don't consistently watch Pittsburgh play or know anything about the team. Go to any Pittsburgh forum or fan site and discuss Landry with fans who actually watch him play on a consistent basis for the past 4 years.

Dobbs may be inconsistent but at least he has the toolset needed to be successful in the NFL and is an unknown. We haven't seen him work with a true QB coach yet. Steelers fans know LJ. We know what we get with him. And it's not good. Too many people are already counting on LJ as the QB2 just because he signed some contract with only $600,000 guaranteed.
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The Browns are an NFL team and they weren't even the worst D and they were like 21st in passing yards surrendered. Jones is not terrible. I would never want him to be a starter but you can do a lot worse at 2nd string and again, it will be a nice accomplishment if JD passes him on the depth chart.
 
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I hope he becomes an All Pro some day but I haven't seen those skills. I see his best attributes as being athletic and smart. Many on here talk about his leadership. I admit I have never seen him in practice or the off season training but what I see during games is a person who tries to raise "his" game to another level, not inspire his team mates to raise their game. His speed will not be a mismatch for defenses in the NFL so it all comes down to reading defenses and throwing very accurate passes; not his strong suits. You cannot throw as many WR screens in the NFL and I do not think he can complete a high enough % of downfield passes to make it in today's NFL, regardless of the system or talent surrounding him. Hope I am very wrong.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The Browns are an NFL team and they weren't even the worst D and they were like 21st in passing yards surrendered. Jones is not terrible. I would never want him to be a starter but you can do a lot worse at 2nd string and again, it will be a nice accomplishment if JD passes him on the depth chart.
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21st in passing defense means they are in the bottom 1/3 of the league. So personally, yes, I would consider them a pretty bad passing defense.

I just think people way over value LJ because they look at a stat sheet and think, "Gee, 2-2 record? Guy seems average." He gets a HUGE boost from the fact that Pittsburgh has such a great offensive line and really good pass catchers. They don't actually watch him play. He is less mobile than Ben, doesn't have as good of a deep ball, and when he is in the game our playcalling is completely changed because Todd Haley knows we are handicapped with him. We just focus on screens, slants, and short yardage plays. Yes, I realize few people are good as Ben, and that isn't really my point. After 4 years, our offense still feels the need to handicapp itself with him at the helm because our OC knows that LJ is not a good quarterback.
 
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I've seen him play and there is a big difference between "average" and "terrible". He is something in between.
 
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114VOL said:
Yep. In the preseason. He has very little chance of any PT during the regular season unless Rothliesberger gets hurt. It's going to be real challenge to beat Jones out for back-up
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Big Ben stays hurt.
 
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VersaceButch said:
And 75% of that production came in one game against the horrible Cleveland Browns. He threw for around 300 yds, 3 TDS that day. So he shredded one of the worst defenses in the league. Real impressive.

People are only looking at stats with LJ, the people that don't consistently watch Pittsburgh play or know anything about the team. Go to any Pittsburgh forum or fan site and discuss Landry with fans who actually watch him play on a consistent basis for the past 4 years.

Dobbs may be inconsistent but at least he has the toolset needed to be successful in the NFL and is an unknown. We haven't seen him work with a true QB coach yet. Steelers fans know LJ. We know what we get with him. And it's not good. Too many people are already counting on LJ as the QB2 just because he signed some contract with only $600,000 guaranteed.
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This is the point I was trying to make as well. Dobbs was not drafted to sit behind Jones. They want to see what they have, at the very least, and this is why Dobbs will have every opportunity to pass Jones early.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
I was talking about a CB there versus a QB here.

Different positions have different requirements. QB is one of those positions where simply being physically talented isn't sufficient. If that were the case, then JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf would have been Hall of Famers.

The QB position requires a special type of mental makeup to be great. Dobbs has that. Mettenberger didn't.
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Really now? Mental tools do matter?
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys need to understand that physical talent is only a part of what it takes to succeed in the NFL. Mental makeup is more important. How hard does a guy work? How bad does he want it? How does he take to coaching? Etc.

This is the main reason I'm so sure Dobbs will succeed. He has the right mental makeup to be a great NFL QB. Nobody will outwork him. Nobody wants to be great more than him. And nobody will take to coaching like he will.

You guys will be shocked by how good he becomes when he has no Aerospace Engineering classwork taking up half his time and getting actual coaching from NFL coaches. Josh Dobbs physical talents are impressive. His mental makeup is even more impressive. That is why he will succeed.
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He will have to learn passing instincts then, which is very hard to do.
 
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Personally, I think both the Steelers and the Saints have set up Dobbs and Kamara to be the future focal points (or at least one of the focal points) of their respective offenses. Brees is 38, AP is 32 (Really old for NFL RBs), and Ingram is 27. So in 2 or 3 years Kamara should be the do-everything back for that offense. Dobbs is in a similar situation as long as he develops, even though I think Dobbs support system is even better than AK's.
 
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EZE said:
For 2017, it almost certainly will be:
1. Ben R.
2. L. Jones
3. J. Dobbs

2018 will be the make or break year for Dobbs. If he doesn't push past Jones before the start of that season, his NFL days likely will be numbered.
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This is probably true. But, Dobbs does have a clear advantage over Jones in that he makes things happen when he runs with it. Gotta prove to the coaches that he's a competent NFL QB, though, before he can surpass him.
 
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All I know is I said... and I quote... "Mariota a will NEVER make it in the NFL. HE's not an NFL QB, He can't throw, he can't read the D, he will be gone in two years."... ish like that.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
No. His passing instincts and accuracy are perfectly fine. The idea they aren't is a MYTH.
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Actually it isn't. It was often said by Ainge that Dobbs did not know how to use the checkdown. Dobbs made two reads his whole career, Primary and Run. Even when Dobbs had time, that were still his reads. Even Travis Stephens said if Dobbs learned to use the checkdown, the team would dominate. Dobbs not being able to read a defense beyond the primary showed during the SC game.
 
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