Dobbs is already moving up the Depth Chart

#51
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Burger said:
He 110% is not good at reading a defense, and he's not accurate.
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1/2 of the time he will make the right read, the other 1/2 his feet will save the day.

1/2 the time he will be accurate, the other 1/2 his WR will save the day.

Or he could go bust and then you will be right.

Either way once he signs his contract he will be a millionaire.

Go VFL!
 
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Caleb59seal said:
Bro... your browns had a very smart draft....
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Ugh. Don't get me started. Smart from an analytics standpoint maybe. They are trying to play moneyball in the NFL and I'm not sure it's going to work. The fanbase has that front office paralyzed right now. They are scared to make a move. Kizer is not the answer and though Garret is a great pass rusher in college, being big doesn't make a you a good pro. It's about having a vision and a plan and finding the right fit and I have No confidence right now they have a vision other then pure analytics. The coaches are not even allowed to coach. Hue has distanced himself, everyone saying Williams will be taking over after Hue goes 3 wins or less, but Williams will not be able to do his thing and if Hue leaves Williams will leave with him... vegas predicting a 4 win season, sonI have no idea what this draft did at all. They should have walked up to the podium, "with the first pick, the Cleveland Browns take Josh Dobbs", and given everyone the middle finger. At least then we would have hope.
 
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armchair said:
Mettenberger is a big, strong guy out of LSU who was supposed to have potential. I guess not....Another example of how tough it is to make it as a QB in the league.
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You guys need to understand that physical talent is only a part of what it takes to succeed in the NFL. Mental makeup is more important. How hard does a guy work? How bad does he want it? How does he take to coaching? Etc.

This is the main reason I'm so sure Dobbs will succeed. He has the right mental makeup to be a great NFL QB. Nobody will outwork him. Nobody wants to be great more than him. And nobody will take to coaching like he will.

You guys will be shocked by how good he becomes when he has no Aerospace Engineering classwork taking up half his time and getting actual coaching from NFL coaches. Josh Dobbs physical talents are impressive. His mental makeup is even more impressive. That is why he will succeed.
 
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Did anyone see Mike Tomlin interview on Saturday near the end of the draft on NFL Network....he mentioned how Josh was excited to be coached then said he never had a real QB coach at Tennessee. Also said something like Tennessee's system never let him develop in college. Louis Riddick said the same things a few days before the draft.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
You guys need to understand that physical talent is only a part of what it takes to succeed in the NFL. Mental makeup is more important.
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2 days earlier....
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Athleticism and size. At the end of the day freakish athleticism wins out in the NFL. Especially when it's properly coached. And the Ravens have historically been one of the better coached defenses in the league.
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The league must be changing.

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GAVol said:
2 days earlier....

The league must be changing.

:thumbsup:
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I was talking about a CB there versus a QB here.

Different positions have different requirements. QB is one of those positions where simply being physically talented isn't sufficient. If that were the case, then JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf would have been Hall of Famers.

The QB position requires a special type of mental makeup to be great. Dobbs has that. Mettenberger didn't.
 
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GAVol said:
2 days earlier....

The league must be changing.

:thumbsup:
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Haha, good get GA. I thought the same thing when I read his post...completely contradicted what he's previously said about athletic ability being the be all end all for NFL players.
 
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armchair said:
Mettenberger is a big, strong guy out of LSU who was supposed to have potential. I guess not....Another example of how tough it is to make it as a QB in the league.
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Those QBs from the southern schools suck.
 
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KBVol said:
Haha, good get GA. I thought the same thing when I read his post...completely contradicted what he's previously said about athletic ability being the be all end all for NFL players.
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For QB it's not.

For a RB, WR, edge rusher, DT, and man coverage CB incredible physicals are sufficient to succeed.

Safety, zone corners, inside linebackers, and offensive lineman need to have the right mental makeup and instincts in addition to physical tools to succeed.
 
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Outside of pre-season, I doubt Dobbs gets any PT unless it's a blowout. Sometimes young rookies get thrown into the fire but the preference in the NFL is to develop them and bring them along
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Outside of pre-season, I doubt Dobbs gets any PT unless it's a blowout. Sometimes young rookies get thrown into the fire but the preference in the NFL is to develop them and bring them along
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There is absolutely NO development in QBs until they are needed.

If that's the case, you wouldn't see QBs get drafted over guys who are 2/3rd on depth chart.

Bray has been in "development" with KC for years.. you really think KC gave up those picks to snag Mahomes to make him a 3rd stringer? Nah
 
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Ugh. Don't get me started. Smart from an analytics standpoint maybe. They are trying to play moneyball in the NFL and I'm not sure it's going to work. The fanbase has that front office paralyzed right now. They are scared to make a move. Kizer is not the answer and though Garret is a great pass rusher in college, being big doesn't make a you a good pro. It's about having a vision and a plan and finding the right fit and I have No confidence right now they have a vision other then pure analytics. The coaches are not even allowed to coach. Hue has distanced himself, everyone saying Williams will be taking over after Hue goes 3 wins or less, but Williams will not be able to do his thing and if Hue leaves Williams will leave with him... vegas predicting a 4 win season, sonI have no idea what this draft did at all. They should have walked up to the podium, "with the first pick, the Cleveland Browns take Josh Dobbs", and given everyone the middle finger. At least then we would have hope.
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I think their draft has been overrated (I don't really like the Peppers and Kizer picks), but this is ridiculous. Taking Dobbs 134 picks earlier than the rest of the league valued him wasn't going to make them any better.

You can make a decent argument that they should have held off on a QB until later (I read a good quote this weekend that likened their Kizer pick to a second guessing of their moneyball strategy in lieu of taking a QB with a 2nd/3rd round grade just because he was there and it was expected) or taken a different QB at that spot even.

The fact of the matter is the browns are a lot more than a QB away from having a good team. And there weren't any can't miss guys to pick #1 at QB this year. It's very telling that the top two guys taken this season are projected to sit behind a veteran for at least a season, if not longer.

Fact of the matter is the browns could have somehow lucked out and gotten the 6-7 of the 10 best players in this draft and they'd still probably middle of the pack at best in 2017. And they've got 5 picks in the first 2 rounds to work with next year. If there is a QB they fall in love with for the 2018 draft, they should have a pretty good chance of snagging him.
 
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Not sure why people are saying Jones is "horrible". He had 600 yards, 4 TDs, at 62% with only 2 INTs on 86 attempts. That's not bad. A 3rd day pick rookie beating him out would be a pretty impressive accomplishment.
 
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Dobbs and Roethlisburger strengths couldn't be much more different. It's curious for Pitt to pick him up. Must indicate a long-term desire to transition their offense away from a traditional drop-back QB approach.
 
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