Dobbs in the NFL

[KBVol]

All those hall of famers started out as college kids as well.

When I compare then I'm not saying the player will have the exact same career. Just that they have similar skills and talent. For example, I don't expect Corey Davis to be the all-time leader in NFL history in every receiving category like Jerry Rice. But I do think they have similar playing styles and skills. And I expect Corey Davis to be a dominant WR in the NFL for many years.

Sorry dude, just can't go along with you on your comparisons.....Hurd as "the Calvin Johnson of NFL running backs" still has me twisted up.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Joe Montana was a terrible passing QB in college.

 

[1972 Grad]

Uh Tom Brady? His college stats were laughable. and even his early career nfl numbers weren't particular impressive regardless of the super bowls.

Not saying Dobbs is the next brady but it's certainly not like late draft picks haven't worked out before at QB.

62% completion rate, 20-5 record, 3rd all time Mich attempts and completions, 4th all time Mich passing yards, 5th all time Mich TD's, 2 bowl wins, numerous 4th quarter comebacks, all done while playing just 2 years. He barely saw the field his first 2 years, about like Dormady has done so far.

 

[armchair]

Dobbs's passing skills were pretty sketchy at first---bit of weird (stiff-armed) motion and other problems. But he's improved every year, and if he gets with a good QB coach he will continue to improve. He's got brains and mobility and a pretty good arm, plus intangibles--so he will get his chance. It's hard to say how any QB will do in the NFL because there are a lot of factors. Talented, can't-miss, QB prospects go bust EVERY year while less regarded guys win playing time. Who would have picked T. Siemian--a 7th round pick with modest physical talent- to follow Manning as Broncos QB this year? Very few people. Yet he did, beating how high draft pack Paxton Lynch. You've got about 12 established, top QBs in the NFL and then about 40 other QBs (starters at other teams and backups throughout the league) trying to make their mark. Very hard to predict QB play in the pros.

 

[WiseOlVol]

Uh Tom Brady? His college stats were laughable and even his early career nfl numbers weren't particular impressive regardless of the super bowls.

Not saying Dobbs is the next brady but it's certainly not like late draft picks haven't worked out before at QB.

Dobbs doesn't cheat.
Doesn't have #1 D or best HC since Lombardi.
Dobbs doesn't play in doormat league (AFC East)

 

[WiseOlVol]

Dobbs' IQ goes a long way for NFL scouts.

 

[Volhoops]

Bet the Raiders or the Cowboys would have liked to have had Dobbs as a back-up vs what they put out there this weekend

 

[k-town_king]

Dobbs is another Tyrod Taylor. Similar stats, build, and skills. Probably have the same type career. A middle round pick that develops into a starter.

 

[OrangeHammer]

Dobbs arm strength would be below average in the NFL. Cunningham can throw it 50 yards on a bullet. Dobbs can't. Dobbs also doesn't have the passing instincts.

I don't think we know what Dobbs arm can do. Id like to see him sit and learn with a NFL QB coach for a year or two and see his development.

 

[OrangeHammer]

You have to have the skill set but the few people I know that have played in the league say it's 90% film and meetings and the players with a higher mental capacity do better than guys who may be more physically talented. Dobbs is strong and has the arm to succeed, especially on a run heavy team where he can be more of a manager. That's appealing to lots of teams along with his escapability.

 

[nomads-11]

I went and listened to Peyton when he was at Freed-Hardeman last month and he had some interesting things regarding accuracy/interceptions in the NFL.

He said that during his rookie year, when he led the league in interceptions, there were many times when he would just toss it out of bounds. He said that he remembers coming off of the field one particular time and Tom Moore (I believe it was) asked him what the hell he was doing. He said, "Coach, there was no where for me to put the ball. All I could see was part of the receiver's body." Coach Moore replied, "Son, in the league that is as big of a window as you're going to get."

I though it was an interesting point. All of this talk of Dobbs' accuracy and decision making....those things are going to be multiplied and magnified if he gets an opportunity.

If Dobbs can get some good coaching ..... how to read, when to throw, etc. he has the rest of the tools to make a go at it. Unfortunately, IMO, if you don't have the accuracy now, it isn't going to magically appear in the NFL. Teaching can take you just so far ..... the natural ability has to be there already. I've not seen it ..... not at the level needed.

I'd be nice to be wrong.......we'll see.

 

[Burger]

According to who? You? NFL scouts definitely don't share this opinion. Here is what Matt Miller (Bleacher Reports lead NFL Draft analyst) has to say about scouts and their opinion of Dobbs: https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/741017787712184320

Dobbs arm is plenty strong. Maybe not elite like Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford, and Aaron Rodgers. But definitely right there with any other NFL QB you wanna mention. And FYI just look at these highlights of Randall Cunningham and Josh Dobbs and tell me you don't see an uncanny resemblance. I personally see almost the same player.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwZZICUDWFo[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6_WxFx4CAI[/youtube]

Cunningham is a lot quicker. Lamar Jackson looks more like Cunningham than Dobbs does.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Sorry dude, just can't go along with you on your comparisons.....Hurd as "the Calvin Johnson of NFL running backs" still has me twisted up.

If Jalen Hurd declares, which it looks like he will since he hasn't contacted any other schools for a transfer, he'll be a pro-bowl RB in the NFL.

The Calvin Johnson of RBs was purely in terms of his freakish size/speed combination. Calvin Johnson was 6'5" 239 lbs and ran a 4.3 40 at the combine. Jalen Hurd is 6'4" 245 lbs and I believe when he gets to the combine he'll run 4.4 in the 40.

And Hurd will be a great RB in the NFL. Like I said his RB comp is that of a more explosive Eddie George. He'll be a perenial pro-bowler in the NFL. Same with Kamara. Same with Sutton.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Cunningham is a lot quicker. Lamar Jackson looks more like Cunningham than Dobbs does.

Nope.

Lamar Jackson is a different beast. We haven't seen anyone like him. The closest is Mike Vick but Lamar is taller.

Dobbs is just as fast as Cunningham. The thing they are very similar in is body type and innate elusiveness. Both seem to shed tackles with crazy moves.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

62% completion rate, 20-5 record, 3rd all time Mich attempts and completions, 4th all time Mich passing yards, 5th all time Mich TD's, 2 bowl wins, numerous 4th quarter comebacks, all done while playing just 2 years. He barely saw the field his first 2 years, about like Dormady has done so far.

Sounds alot like Dobbs resume.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dobbs is another Tyrod Taylor. Similar stats, build, and skills. Probably have the same type career. A middle round pick that develops into a starter.

Tyrod Taylor measured 6'0.75" at the combine. Dobbs is a legit 6'3" maybe even taller at 6'3.5". There really is no comparison in terms of build. Dobbs is much taller. This would be like me saying Dobbs has a similar build to 6'5" Cam Newton. Not even close.

Jalen Hurts is the next Tyrod Taylor. They have similar builds and skill sets.

Dobbs is Randall Cunningham. Both have similar builds as long athletes at the QB position with great arms and crazy elusiveness.

 

[OakRidgeVol]

Dobbs has the talent to be an NFL QB, but let's get a more realistic QB comparison than Randall Cunningham or Tom Brady. Those are some of the greatest QBs in NFL history, Dobbs does not compare to them in any sense. The best comparison, IMO, is former UCLA QB Brett Hundley.

He needs a lot of development, Josh's brand of street ball doesn't work for long in the NFL. He needs a legit QB coach to break him down and rebuild him into an NFL QB, that's something that a lot of talented QBs just don't get to do. He needs to go to a place like Green Bay, where Hundley is (and is thriving), and learn to play QB from a QB guru like Mike McCarthy. Getting on in Kansas City with Andy Reid would also be really beneficial. There will be NFL teams that want him, he's a highly intelligent and highly mature young man with physical talent to really contribute.

 

[hndog609]

Jalen Hurd is 6'4" 245 lbs and I believe when he gets to the combine he'll run 4.4 in the 40.

If Hurd runs a 4.4 then he will be the worst translation of speed from track to field I've ever seen. I've never seen that guy remotely look like a 4.4 guy while actually playing football.

 

[1972 Grad]

If Hurd runs a 4.4 then he will be the worst translation of speed from track to field I've ever seen. I've never seen that guy remotely look like a 4.4 guy while actually playing football.

I have had that very same thought before.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

If Hurd runs a 4.4 then he will be the worst translation of speed from track to field I've ever seen. I've never seen that guy remotely look like a 4.4 guy while actually playing football.

Its happened before. North ran a 4.48 at the combine last year and folks like KBVol were convinced he was slow as molasses.

The 40 is more about initial burst than long range speed. Hurd's long range speed wasn't that great but he got to that speed very quickly. That should translate to a good 40 time. Same with Alvin.

Dobbs has more long range speed than initial burst so his 40 time might only be in the 4.5 range even though we never saw him get caught from behind.

 

[hndog609]

Its happened before. North ran a 4.48 at the combine last year and folks like KBVol were convinced he was slow as molasses.

The 40 is more about initial burst than long range speed. Hurd's long range speed wasn't that great but he got to that speed very quickly. That should translate to a good 40 time. Same with Alvin.

Dobbs has more long range speed than initial burst so his 40 time might only be in the 4.5 range even though we never saw him get caught from behind.

I'm not saying it isn't possible but my observation stands...if Hurd is a legit 4.4 guy then it's tantamount to a BB player with a 40" vertical that you never see dunking or blocking shots. I've watched every run Hurd ever had here and he's never looked close to that fast.

 

[KBVol]

If Jalen Hurd declares, which it looks like he will since he hasn't contacted any other schools for a transfer, he'll be a pro-bowl RB in the NFL.

The Calvin Johnson of RBs was purely in terms of his freakish size/speed combination. Calvin Johnson was 6'5" 239 lbs and ran a 4.3 40 at the combine. Jalen Hurd is 6'4" 245 lbs and I believe when he gets to the combine he'll run 4.4 in the 40.

And Hurd will be a great RB in the NFL. Like I said his RB comp is that of a more explosive Eddie George. He'll be a perenial pro-bowler in the NFL. Same with Kamara. Same with Sutton.

Dear God Almighty........ Hurd, and his mother, have laughed at suggestions of him declaring for the draft this year and continue to insist he's gonna transfer. He's also already said he's switching positions, to tight end or even wideout.

Now, Hyams reported yesterday that Hurd supposedly not gotten any calls from other schools inquiring about his services, so who knows, perhaps he winds up with no good options and declares out of desperation...I think that's highly unlikely.

But either way, Hurd was vastly overrated here as a running back. So many, me included at first, were enamored with his great size and what was originally reported as world class, sub 4.4 speed, which was very apparent, very quickly that he does not have. And then he just lacked burst, balance and general running instincts.

He averaged 3.7 ypc this year behind our bad OL....Kelly 6.4, Kamara 5.8, even Dobbs averaged 5.5......so you do the math.

Despite your unfounded declarations of greatness, Jalen Hurd just isn't that good, never was nearly as good as his hype, and will do next to nothing as a RB in the NFL imho.

 

[KBVol]

Its happened before. North ran a 4.48 at the combine last year and folks like KBVol were convinced he was slow as molasses.

The 40 is more about initial burst than long range speed. Hurd's long range speed wasn't that great but he got to that speed very quickly. That should translate to a good 40 time. Same with Alvin.

Dobbs has more long range speed than initial burst so his 40 time might only be in the 4.5 range even though we never saw him get caught from behind.

Never once did I say or even suggest that North was even slow, much less "slow as molasses". I, and virtually every one else, simply disagreed that he'd he drafted or, at best, be drafted before the 7th round, after an awful senior season and generally poor collegiate career...........as opposed to you, who screamed from the mountaintops that he'd be picked "no later than the 4th round"......

 

[OakRidgeVol]

Hurd's issue isn't talent, it's attitude. The NFL doesn't want to invest a high draft pick and millions in a player that may just up and quit because he doesn't like the scheme. I doubt Hurd would do that in the NFL because I think the whole fuss at UT was about showcasing his skills for the NFL, but the damage is already done. He's cast some doubt for teams I'm sure. The other part is that there are other big and fast athletes in the draft who DON'T have the attitude issues.

He will have options in the NFL, someone will draft him between rounds 6-7.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Never once did I say or even suggest that North was even slow, much less "slow as molasses". I, and virtually every one else, simply disagreed that he'd he drafted or, at best, be drafted before the 7th round, after an awful senior season and generally poor collegiate career...........as opposed to you, who screamed from the mountaintops that he'd be picked "no later than the 4th round"......

You may have never said he was slow as molasses but you were on the record saying he would run a slow time. I remember it was in the thread on Vols at the combine last year.

I had no opinion on his speed so I stayed out of it. But his 4.48 was a pleasant surprise to me.

You're so good at digging up my posts, remember your own as well.