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jortfreeTN said:
Kind of makes you wonder why if we are pulling in these great recruits we arent going bowling this year. 2 sides to every coin.
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Maybe because we only have two years of talent and depth? Ever thought about that?

Our opponents have had classes full of seasoned 4th and 5th year seniors 2 and 3 deep going up against our 19 year old sophomores who are 1 deep. Wears your team down after 2-3 quarters. Unless you have been in that position, you don't know what that is like. It is a tough position to be in.
 
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Tux said:
Maybe because we only have two years of talent and depth? Ever thought about that?

Our opponents have had classes full of seasoned 4th and 5th year seniors 2 and 3 deep going up against our 19 year old sophomores who are 1 deep. Wears your team down after 2-3 quarters. Unless you have been in that position, you don't know what that is like. It is a tough position to be in.
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Please explain how our talent and depth issues cost us the game in Lexington with a bowl and our win streak on the line. Thanks.
 
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justingroves said:
Ridiculous.

There you have it freak, shut down the board. sjt18 has spoken
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hahaha can i add dooley is the greatest UT coach of all time. hell he almost beat the mighty kentucky wildcats. pass him a few more years and a raise he earned it by keeping UT in the dumper.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Please explain how our talent and depth issues cost us the game in Lexington with a bowl and our win streak on the line. Thanks.
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We lost one game that we should have won. Gee, why don't we crucify Dooley for that? [/sarcasm]

How many games did we lose under Fulmer that we should have won? Plenty. Yet we allowed him to crash our football program nose first into the ground but not before he allowed the cupboard of talent to become almost barren.

Teams are going to lose a game here and there, that they should have won. It happens. That is why they play the games.

If a team loses to a bad team or multiple teams every year, then you have problems. We do not have the problems that some on here want us to have and want to create.

Anyone who does not understand where the UT football program has really been the last few years needs a reality check and to get a real life if they think that we are going to win a game just because we are Tennessee. You have to take the good with the bas while this program is rebuilt from the ground up.
 
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Tux said:
We lost one game that we should have won. Gee, why don't we crucify Dooley for that? [/sarcasm]

How many games did we lose under Fulmer that we should have won? Plenty. Yet we allowed him to crash our football program nose first into the ground but not before he allowed the cupboard of talent to become almost barren.

Teams are going to lose a game here and there, that they should have won. It happens. That is why they play the games.

If a team loses to a bad team or multiple teams every year, then you have problems. We do not have the problems that some on here want us to have and want to create.

Anyone who does not understand where the UT football program has really been the last few years needs a reality check and to get a real life if they think that we are going to win a game just because we are Tennessee. You have to take the good with the bas while this program is rebuilt from the ground up.
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Dooley's proving adept at losing games he should win, I'm still waiting in him to win one he shouldn't
 
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Tux said:
We lost one game that we should have won. Gee, why don't we crucify Dooley for that? [/sarcasm]

How many games did we lose under Fulmer that we should have won? Plenty. Yet we allowed him to crash our football program nose first into the ground but not before he allowed the cupboard of talent to become almost barren.

Teams are going to lose a game here and there, that they should have won. It happens. That is why they play the games.

If a team loses to a bad team or multiple teams every year, then you have problems. We do not have the problems that some on here want us to have and want to create.

Anyone who does not understand where the UT football program has really been the last few years needs a reality check and to get a real life if they think that we are going to win a game just because we are Tennessee. You have to take the good with the bas while this program is rebuilt from the ground up.
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We didn't just lose the game. We quit. We didn't compete, at least on the offensive side of the ball. We played a terrible team running basically no offense at all, and with a bowl game on the line, we were sluggish and disinterested and our hapless coaches were powerless to change anything about it. UK was happy to just get the ball, run it three times, punt, and not fsck it up, and we still couldn't muster anything. Afterward the players accused each other of not caring about the game and not wanting to be out there. How the hell is that possible?

For two years I've been saying the same things that you're saying now -- there's no way to evaluate Dooley as a coach until we get the roster built back up, etc. I get how awful the hole Dooley had to climb out of was. But there's just no excuse for what happened in Lexington, and it's impossible to be optimistic about Dooley anymore. It would be one thing if UK had played well and we'd just lost, but no: they played like crap and we played like we'd checked out. The tone of the game was set 10 minutes in, and Dooley and his staff couldn't do a damn thing to change it for three hours. That was a legitimate, fair test for Dooley The Football Coach -- big game, bowl on the line, a team that we're better at at basically every position -- and he really couldn't have failed it any worse.
 
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FEARinSEC said:
Good grief, get over the Kentucky loss!! What, did you expect it to go on forever? Seriously?

Expecting Dooley (or any coach) to come in here and win more than 7 games with our schedule and depth/talent issues (not to mention key injuries) is irrational and delusional.

Don't get me wrong, I wish we could win an SECC and NC every year, but come on, please be realistic about the state of our football program.
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Irrational and delusional if we expect more than 1-7 in our conference? Nevermind that the 1 win was a freaking miracle against a perennial bottom feeder. Even the most blinded Dooley supporter could see we were a badly coached team this year outside of the defensive side of the ball.
 
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Tux said:
We lost one game that we should have won. Gee, why don't we crucify Dooley for that? [/sarcasm]

How many games did we lose under Fulmer that we should have won? Plenty. Yet we allowed him to crash our football program nose first into the ground but not before he allowed the cupboard of talent to become almost barren.

Teams are going to lose a game here and there, that they should have won. It happens. That is why they play the games.

If a team loses to a bad team or multiple teams every year, then you have problems. We do not have the problems that some on here want us to have and want to create.

Anyone who does not understand where the UT football program has really been the last few years needs a reality check and to get a real life if they think that we are going to win a game just because we are Tennessee. You have to take the good with the bas while this program is rebuilt from the ground up.
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You know I'm not a fan of Fulmer but he would have smashed the UK team we played this year into the ground.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Irrational and delusional if we expect more than 1-7 in our conference? Nevermind that the 1 win was a freaking miracle against a perennial bottom feeder. Even the most blinded Dooley supporter could see we were a badly coached team this year outside of the defensive side of the ball.
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Injuries, depth, youth. You must not have played college ball or you'd understand
 
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vol_in_il said:
I blame a converted WR at QB
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You mean an option QB converted to WR back to QB by his hs QB coach (Tee Martin) who was his college WR coach who was quite a mobile QB in his own day. Just saying get your facts right. Yes, our mystery nameless WR was actually a HS QB recruited as an athlete to UK.
 
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pimo1 said:
You mean an option QB converted to WR back to QB by his hs QB coach (Tee Martin) who was his college WR coach who was quite a mobile QB in his own day. Just saying get your facts right. Yes, our mystery nameless WR was actually a HS QB recruited as an athlete to UK.
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Well, hell, we should have played like crap and lost to a sorry KY team running a one week prep single wing against us. Wonder why homeboy isn't down at GTech killing it?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Well, hell, we should have played like crap and lost to a sorry KY team running a one week prep single wing against us. Wonder why homeboy isn't down at GTech killing it?
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Act like you actually understand the game of football. The reason that teams with low talent play the option is because you don't need a lot of talent to make it really hard to defend even with superior athletes. That is one reason a lot of top flight schools avoid scheduling teams like army and airfoil like the plague.

Even if you know it is coming it is hard to prepare for and in this case we had no freaking idea it was coming. Beyond that they scored 10 points.... they had one big drive early and that was that. Pretty freaking impressive. so realistically the WR at QB did in fact not beat us. Their secondary beat us. 3 turnovers beat us.

Our d gave up 217 yards total. UK had 3 drives over 15 yards. 2 over 22. Any other day we give up 10 points and we not only win we dominate but we just kept turning over the all every-time we got going. The game came down to 4 plays.. a missed field goal, failed 4th down conversion predicated by the missed field goal, fumble on UK's doorstep and finally a 4th quarter int. All of these were poor execution by players, not bad coaching.

It was a perfect storm of crap. We caught a team that had been dreaming of beating us since before any of their players parents were out of elementary school. We had a sick/rusty/dinged up QB. They came with a nasty game plan on both sides of the ball. We needed a kicker and didn't have one. S--t happened. Give those guys credit they caught us slipping and won.

Realistically no matter how you see things if you have sense the loss was a good thing. If you hate the coach that's your ammo if you believe in him you realize this was the rock bottom game this team needed. It is a lot easier to get a point across when you get beat by a team you shouldn't. To this date that s the first loss a Dooley coached team took to a team that was not obviously better than them.
 
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pimo1 said:
Act like you actually understand the game of football. The reason that teams with low talent play the option is because you don't need a lot of talent to make it really hard to defend even with superior athletes. That is one reason a lot of top flight schools avoid scheduling teams like army and airfoil like the plague.

Even if you know it is coming it is hard to prepare for and in this case we had no freaking idea it was coming. Beyond that they scored 10 points.... they had one big drive early and that was that. Pretty freaking impressive. so realistically the WR at QB did in fact not beat us. Their secondary beat us. 3 turnovers beat us.

Our d gave up 217 yards total. UK had 3 drives over 15 yards. 2 over 22. Any other day we give up 10 points and we not only win we dominate but we just kept turning over the all every-time we got going. The game came down to 4 plays.. a missed field goal, failed 4th down conversion predicated by the missed field goal, fumble on UK's doorstep and finally a 4th quarter int. All of these were poor execution by players, not bad coaching.

It was a perfect storm of crap. We caught a team that had been dreaming of beating us since before any of their players parents were out of elementary school. We had a sick/rusty/dinged up QB. They came with a nasty game plan on both sides of the ball. We needed a kicker and didn't have one. S--t happened. Give those guys credit they caught us slipping and won.

Realistically no matter how you see things if you have sense the loss was a good thing. If you hate the coach that's your ammo if you believe in him you realize this was the rock bottom game this team needed. It is a lot easier to get a point across when you get beat by a team you shouldn't. To this date that s the first loss a Dooley coached team took to a team that was not obviously better than them.
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We had only 276 total yards on 13 possessions. We had nine three-play possessions. When you don't move the ball, you're not going to score many points. When you don't score many points, you put yourself in a position where a couple of plays can beat you. It wasn't some four-play fluke; we lost because the offense couldn't move the ball and the coaches couldn't figure out anything to change it. If we hadn't hit on one long pass, we would have been shut out.

That doesn't look like "a perfect storm of crap" to me. That looks like more of the same offensive ineptitude that started the instant SEC play began and Justin Hunter went down.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
We had only 276 total yards on 13 possessions. We had nine three-play possessions. When you don't move the ball, you're not going to score many points. When you don't score many points, you put yourself in a position where a couple of plays can beat you. It wasn't some four-play fluke; we lost because the offense couldn't move the ball and the coaches couldn't figure out anything to change it. If we hadn't hit on one long pass, we would have been shut out.

That doesn't look like "a perfect storm of crap" to me. That looks like more of the same offensive ineptitude that started the instant SEC play began and Justin Hunter went down.
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thanks for making my point.....we didn't lose to a WR.. that was my point and I am fairly sure I pointed out the offensive ineptitude. That was mostly predicated on 3 turnovers a missed field goal and a failed 4th down attempt.

Outside of the first int (which I didn't count in the 4 plays) all came when we were either well in scoring position or in the case of the second int when we needed a game winning drive. That leaves a bare minimum 9 points left on the field from poor execution not bad coaching. Coaching got them in position to score 3 times that we failed miserably. Bad snap, fumble, missed kick.

Again I am not arguing the loss is excusable I am merely pointing out that people are oversimplifying why we lost. Very few on the fire Dooley bandwagon watched AND understood the game. most are just parroting what someone else said in another thread. "we got beat by a backup WR" is their rallying cry. That is incorrect, we got beat because we got beat. it is inexcusable but it happened and we need to look at why it actually happened so we can watch closely to see if the proper changes are put in place to prevent it ever again.

2 big things stand out to me. 1. We need to sign a real center or find one this offseason. 2. We need to find a kicker or fix the one we have. There are always other places we can improve but those 2 things were lurking all year and finally came and bit us square in the a--.
 
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pimo1 said:
thanks for making my point.....we didn't lose to a WR.. that was my point and I am fairly sure I pointed out the offensive ineptitude. That was mostly predicated on 3 turnovers a missed field goal and a failed 4th down attempt.

Outside of the first int (which I didn't count in the 4 plays) all came when we were either well in scoring position or in the case of the second int when we needed a game winning drive. That leaves a bare minimum 9 points left on the field from poor execution not bad coaching. Coaching got them in position to score 3 times that we failed miserably. Bad snap, fumble, missed kick.

Again I am not arguing the loss is excusable I am merely pointing out that people are oversimplifying why we lost. Very few on the fire Dooley bandwagon watched AND understood the game. most are just parroting what someone else said in another thread. "we got beat by a backup WR" is their rallying cry. That is incorrect, we got beat because we got beat. it is inexcusable but it happened and we need to look at why it actually happened so we can watch closely to see if the proper changes are put in place to prevent it ever again.

2 big things stand out to me. 1. We need to sign a real center or find one this offseason. 2. We need to find a kicker or fix the one we have. There are always other places we can improve but those 2 things were lurking all year and finally came and bit us square in the a--.
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Coaching getting them into scoring position only three times in 13 possessions against a horrible Kentucky team is absolutely unacceptable. For the only time in the SEC schedule, our players are better than theirs all over the field. The players failed; the coaches failed.

The "being beat by a backup WR" part is mostly just salt in the wound; it's not why we lost. Our defense did a mostly excellent job adjusting on the fly to an option that they hadn't prepared for. Surrendering only 10 points should have been enough to get it done. Wilcox did his job. The massive failures were A) on offense and B) of leadership.

It's inexcusable to lose a game like that and then have players afterward criticizing each other's effort level. Sometimes you just lose. But at least a decent portion of Dooley's team quit on him -- with a bowl game on the line, with the win streak on the line, with everything they'd earned the week before against Vandy on the line. Some of them quit. And leadership starts at the top.
 
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DaddyChad said:
You know I'm not a fan of Fulmer but he would have smashed the UK team we played this year into the ground.
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You say he would have smashed UK, but in fact he could not smash Wyoming in Neyland. He could not smash Memphis State with Manning at the helm.
 
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pimo1 said:
You mean an option QB converted to WR back to QB by his hs QB coach (Tee Martin) who was his college WR coach who was quite a mobile QB in his own day. Just saying get your facts right. Yes, our mystery nameless WR was actually a HS QB recruited as an athlete to UK.
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yes, that one...the same one that only had 3 days to prepare...If he was good enough to be a QB, he would have played that position in college...and he didn't, until the last game of his career...
those are facts
 
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