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Hickmc said:
Oh thats right stats only count when they support your claim.... Sorry I forgot how it worked... :good!:
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You don't have any stats at all to compare Monte to. So what are you talking about. You compared Monte's D to a coach that doesn't even coach here anymore. The discussion you jumped in was a response to a post that said Sunseri/Conklin/Ansley > Monte Kiffin. Now what use do your stats prove? I'll hang up and listen. :birgits_giggle:
 
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Hickmc said:
I'll take Sal over Monte. If Monte is so Great tell me how he was able to Help Eric Berry with that interception record? Oh yeah he didn't. Lets see he entered the season roughly 37 yards short of the record and finished 20 short.... yeah he knew exactly how to use Mr. Berry.....
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You've got to be kidding. Without Monte, EB isn't picked as highly in the draft as he was. Monte moving him up more helped teams realize he can lay a hit as well as snag interceptions.
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Kingston Vol said:
And he's coaching against the best offenses in the country in the Pac-12.

BB, can you look up the numbers for when they were here? I think that defense, with absolutely no depth, was one of the best in the SEC.
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When Monte was here they averages giving up 21.0 points per game and last years D gave up 22.3. Now look at the schedules that we played with Monte as opposed to last years schedule.

I am not saying Sal and Co will be great but neither is Monte. Remember his last stay in college football was at NC State and if memory serves me correctly he was "Fired" for not winning.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
And he's coaching against the best offenses in the country in the Pac-12.

BB, can you look up the numbers for when they were here? I think that defense, with absolutely no depth, was one of the best in the SEC.
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Ask Saban how many TDs they scored. Ask Julio how he had Dennis Rogan in his ish. Ask UGA how many points they scored. SCAR was baptized too when we played them. But the problem I'm having is they guys they are saying are better haven't proven a thing. I believe in them but they haven't coached a snap as a big time DC.
 
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So if you want to go by stats, why not bring Fulmer back. If we are going on past numbers and success, rather than right now and the future, lets go ahead and include any coach that used to be good, but isn't anymore.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
You've got to be kidding. Without Monte, EB isn't picked as highly in the draft as he was. Monte moving him up more helped teams realize he can lay a hit as well as snag interceptions.
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bs. He was a 1st rounder before Monte arrived on campus.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
So if you want to go by stats, why not bring Fulmer back. If we are going on past numbers and success, rather than right now and the future, lets go ahead and include any coach that used to be good, but isn't anymore.
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Stats are more proven than hope. Period.
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Kingston Vol said:
You've got to be kidding. Without Monte, EB isn't picked as highly in the draft as he was. Monte moving him up more helped teams realize he can lay a hit as well as snag interceptions.
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Don't kid yourself. EB is first round wherever he plays. He was good before Monte got here.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Stats are more proven than hope. Period.
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Stats on a coach no longer coaching mean squat.
Monte isn't a DC. His stats from years ago mean nothing today, except that he was a great pro DC. He didn't prove to be a great DC in college by any stretch.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
You've got to be kidding. Without Monte, EB isn't picked as highly in the draft as he was. Monte moving him up more helped teams realize he can lay a hit as well as snag interceptions.
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Really? I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I am an ex-season ticket holder (got to expensive for my blood) and I saw Mr Berry on a weekly basis. He was already known as a hitter. Monte just cost him a "NCAA" record not a team or SEC mark.

Go back a do a little research (again don't take this as a smart remark I don't always come across in text as I try) Monte was about to be fired by Tampa Bay before he came to Tennessee. His D's in the NFL had fallen way off since his glorified super bowl year.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
You've got to be kidding. Without Monte, EB isn't picked as highly in the draft as he was. Monte moving him up more helped teams realize he can lay a hit as well as snag interceptions.
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I have to disagree with that, he was a top 5 pick after his Sophmore year and teams already new he could lay a hit.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
You've got to be kidding. Without Monte, EB isn't picked as highly in the draft as he was. Monte moving him up more helped teams realize he can lay a hit as well as snag interceptions.
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Berry was going early no matter what. We knew that before we ever hired a new staff. He was hitting people before Monte ever got here. Berry was crushing people as a freshman. I promise you , even Monte would tell you that. Berry made Monte look good that year. We base that season on 2 games. Florida and Bama. We played not to get crushed by Florida and hung around long enough to nearly beat Bama. Yes , we played well in the big games , but where was that defense the rest of the time? People forget Dexter running for nearly 300 yards against us in the Ole Miss game. Say what you want about the depth , but that defense is better than any we have had since then.
 
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We'll have to agree to disagree, guy. Too much orange kool aid in here for me.
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Hickmc said:
I'll take Sal over Monte. If Monte is so Great tell me how he was able to Help Eric Berry with that interception record? Oh yeah he didn't. Lets see he entered the season roughly 37 yards short of the record and finished 20 short.... yeah he knew exactly how to use Mr. Berry.....
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Okay guy I'm done with this non sense......Have fun sir. No Interception record = using the Thorpe Award(Best DB in the country) winner and unanimous 1st Team All-American from that year wrong. Okay... I'm out of here :peace2:
 
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The Breakerboy said:
You don't have any stats at all to compare Monte to. So what are you talking about. You compared Monte's D to a coach that doesn't even coach here anymore. The discussion you jumped in was a response to a post that said Sunseri/Conklin/Ansley > Monte Kiffin. Now what use do your stats prove? I'll hang up and listen. :birgits_giggle:
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I pulled the only stats available for Monte as a D coordinator which was last year at USC. I then compared it toTennessee's of last year. Are you saying that Tennessee had better talent than USC? Did we have more depth? Did we have "Monte all Mighty" coaching our D? Then pray tell how did we finish ranked so much higher than his loaded USC defense playing in the SEC with converted defensive ends playing tackle?

I won't bother to hang up and listen because appaently you are one of those folks that will argue it's daytime at 11pm.....:no:
 
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fade route said:
Santos and O. Peters are going with my prediction.
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Yep. so we will have a 5-7 season every year. Every highly touted kid will commit verbally and resend their commit last second. I've heard the same tired argument before. Just start cutting and pasting your responses.
 
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Blake25p said:
I have to disagree with that, he was a top 5 pick after his Sophmore year and teams already new he could lay a hit.
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he showed he could play run support too. Laying a hit on a WR is different than on a rb coming through the hole. While EB would have gone high Monte did increase his stock (but he didn't have much choice)
 
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utvolpj said:
he showed he could play run support too. Laying a hit on a WR is different than on a rb coming through the hole. While EB would have gone high Monte did increase his stock (but he didn't have much choice)
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I gotta disagree PJ. Berry was a first rounder according to "all" publications after his sophmore year!!! Monte did not help his stock at all. :hi:
 
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fade route said:
Only so many "diamonds in the rough" before I become skeptical. Banking on those type of players becoming all-sec is a fast track to cellar-dweller in this conference.
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So now an unnamed commit is a diamond in the rough? I know your schtick is that you are the self appointed 'Board Realist' but realistic, doesn't mean jumping to conclusions before all of the information is in.
 
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