DK back to Lakers....

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#77
This whole trade wreaks of collusion. Anthony Davis has been injured for most of his career, only rivaled by Kahwi Leonard’s frailty. Why would anyone offer up a 25 year old MVP for a 32 year old who can’t complete a full season?
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I don't have to make those decisions, if you don't understand the business decision aspect of this then you have some growing up to do. Nothing personal... Examples, Henry to the Ravens, AJ Brown to the Eagles. Not saying they were not bad decisions but they were for the Titans. Great for both players.

Such a childish argument and not worth the time of day. When you know all the ends and outs, then post it. IOW sounds like you are more b**t hurt than most. DK is not going to go back to the Lakers with the attitude you wish for if he wants to stay in the system. So, suck it up, buttercup!
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You know he is traded again this summer right? Playing out this season knowing you are helping a team who doesn't want you there.....
 
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TNBV said:
Absolutely. Ask Alex Caruso or Kyle Kuzma of the benefit of playing with the Lakers.
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Caruso got a ring and a free agent contract out of it, Kuzma got a nice extension before he even left the Lakers and got a big payday before ending up now with the Bucks. If anything it should show Knecht that a couple of years in LA can do wonders for his career elsewhere.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
It's amazing how deep you dug that hole
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Why? Because I was a college D1 athlete and know how I would feel. My opinion is it will be real awkward and playing for a team you know is going to trade you the first chance they get would suck.

But I guess since I don't agree with you I must have dug a hole - whatever that means. You act like there is a wrong or right opinion.
 
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kckempf said:
Caruso got a ring and a free agent contract out of it, Kuzma got a nice extension before he even left the Lakers and got a big payday before ending up now with the Bucks. If anything it should show Knecht that a couple of years in LA can do wonders for his career elsewhere.
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Difference between those 2 and DK is gonna be the playing time. Both of those got to showcase their game, DK won't get the chance
 
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cncchris33 said:
It better be pretty hard or you're going to find yourself out of the league. Your take is far too emotional. Knecht is an asset to the Lakers, not a family member. This should motivate him, not drive him toward bitterness and laziness.
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You are looking at from the Lakers side, I am looking at it from the athlete side. He isn't gonna get many minutes. They are going to integrate him into the game plans knowing he is traded as soon as allowed
 
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volfanhill said:
You have an absurd take. Its a business. They all understand it. They appreciate DK for what he's worth. So do the Lakers. You sound really lost
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He has value right now to the Lakers. They appreciate that, not the person /player. If they allow him to play a lot of minutes and his shooting goes cold, his value is less. His 5-10 or so minutes a game won't allow him to show much, thus costing him $$.

Remember "it is a business" and not playing him keeps his value high. They were prepared to compete without him already.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Difference between those 2 and DK is gonna be the playing time. Both of those got to showcase their game, DK won't get the chance
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I didn't think playing time will be a big problem for him, even with the weird fit with another perimeter player. On the one hand it's a weird fit with another perimeter player and losing a center, but on the other hand they've got only so many options to put on the court, and Luka's injury absences leave a void to be filled. 10-15 minutes a game is what he was getting, and he'll probably still get it.
 
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kckempf said:
I didn't think playing time will be a big problem for him, even with the weird fit with another perimeter player. On the one hand it's a weird fit with another perimeter player and losing a center, but on the other hand they've got only so many options to put on the court, and Luka's injury absences leave a void to be filled. 10-15 minutes a game is what he was getting, and he'll probably still get it.
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I would imagine hisinutes go to 5-10 since Reeves is there with Luka coming back. Will be hard to showcase his shooting in that little time with ball heavy Luka, Reeves, and LeBron.
 
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Golfprovol said:
I would imagine hisinutes go to 5-10 since Reeves is there with Luka coming back. Will be hard to showcase his shooting in that little time with ball heavy Luka, Reeves, and LeBron.
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They haven't been using him as a primary ball handler, so that's not really a concern. His role has primarily been to stretch the court by roaming the sidelines between the baseline 3 and the wing 3, and cutting to the basket on backdoor action, which is how LeBron keeps finding him for assists. The real limiter for him isn't offensive fit but defensive, since he's not yet a positive value defender in the NBA and his best defensive skill is still rebounding.
 
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adam.vol said:
This whole trade wreaks of collusion. Anthony Davis has been injured for most of his career, only rivaled by Kahwi Leonard’s frailty. Why would anyone offer up a 25 year old MVP for a 32 year old who can’t complete a full season?
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Luka has missed more games this season than AD, last year also. Short-term Dallas will win this trade because AD makes Dallas a better team than Luka did (addition by subtraction).

It will be interesting to see how Luka+Lebron works. Kyrie was able to accept a robin role as he's done it before. I am not so sure Lebron will and Luka is not an off-the-ball type of guy. If he can become that it will be insane. Its more likely Lebron finally hands over the keys as he seemed to want to do so for the past few years.

As far as DK goes. Yes, he is currently their best movable asset sadly. That being said what Lebron decides to do next season will play a big factor in IF he gets traded in the offseason. Christian Wood getting healthy and playing well would also change things a lot.
 
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Golfprovol said:
I would imagine hisinutes go to 5-10 since Reeves is there with Luka coming back. Will be hard to showcase his shooting in that little time with ball heavy Luka, Reeves, and LeBron.
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With Christie gone his minutes are more likely to increase than decrease. Luka will be taking minutes from the 'wings' more than the guards. DK's defensive deficiencies are a bit overstated. Compared to Luka DK is a much better defender for the mere fact he actually plays it. We don't even really know IF Luka is a bad defender.. because he literally just does not do it.

There are reasons Dallas was ready to ship him out. We will find them out fairly fast over these next couple of years.
 
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Golfprovol said:
You are looking at from the Lakers side, I am looking at it from the athlete side. He isn't gonna get many minutes. They are going to integrate him into the game plans knowing he is traded as soon as allowed
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No, I'm looking at it from the side of a guy who has no guarantees of sticking in the league, is 23 years old, and doesn't know the meaning of the words "quit" or "lie down". You're looking at it like he got his hours cut as the Blizzard maker at Dairy Queen.
 
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Golfprovol said:
How hard are you gonna work knowing your company is gonna get rid of you in a couple months?
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No correlation to an NBA player under contract and an accountant who knows his days are numbered. If I’m gonna get paid $4 million a year whether I’m with them or not, I’m going to be a professional and I’m going to give it all I’ve got when I get the chance. If you don’t, you’ll get a reputation for laziness and other teams will know about it which may affect your future contracts.
 
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pimo1 said:
Luka has missed more games this season than AD, last year also. Short-term Dallas will win this trade because AD makes Dallas a better team than Luka did (addition by subtraction).

It will be interesting to see how Luka+Lebron works. Kyrie was able to accept a robin role as he's done it before. I am not so sure Lebron will and Luka is not an off-the-ball type of guy. If he can become that it will be insane. Its more likely Lebron finally hands over the keys as he seemed to want to do so for the past few years.

As far as DK goes. Yes, he is currently their best movable asset sadly. That being said what Lebron decides to do next season will play a big factor in IF he gets traded in the offseason. Christian Wood getting healthy and playing well would also change things a lot.
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Davis has missed 232 games throughout his career, 108 of which came during his seven years in New Orleans. The remaining 134 missed games came in his five-and-a-half seasons with the Lakers.


Luka Doncic’s injury record has been a point of discussion within his team for years. As of now, he has played for around 422 games with his team. During the course of 7 seasons in the NBA, Luka has been sidelined for around 91 times. He’s had a number of injuries but the most common were his knee problems and ankle issues.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Why? Because I was a college D1 athlete and know how I would feel. My opinion is it will be real awkward and playing for a team you know is going to trade you the first chance they get would suck.

But I guess since I don't agree with you I must have dug a hole - whatever that means. You act like there is a wrong or right opinion.
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Just stating the insinuation is silly that LeBron wanted Knecht gone for playing time for Bronny. Heck, LeBron heaped high praise on Knecht.

Knecht will be ok
 
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Golfprovol said:
Leflop doesn't respect anyone and DK takes minutes away from Bronny.....
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Bronny ain’t getting minutes no matter who is there unless there is a 25 point difference . There is no way they are making personnel decisions to accommodate Bronny. He’s on the roster to make Daddy happy and everyone knows the deal. They wouldn’t send off a guy they used the 17th pick to get Bronny minutes. If that were their thinking they wouldn’t drafted differently. They needed a center. That’s it.
 
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Col_Cathcart said:
The trade deadline was last week
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Their need for a big is still there, and the final solution may be before next season and he may still be the best trade bait. They may have to make emergency move for this season due to pushing the trade deadline envelope.
 
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adam.vol said:
Davis has missed 232 games throughout his career, 108 of which came during his seven years in New Orleans. The remaining 134 missed games came in his five-and-a-half seasons with the Lakers.


Luka Doncic’s injury record has been a point of discussion within his team for years. As of now, he has played for around 422 games with his team. During the course of 7 seasons in the NBA, Luka has been sidelined for around 91 times. He’s had a number of injuries but the most common were his knee problems and ankle issues.
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Its a bit disingenuous to just put it like that seeing their careers cover different lengths of time. YOu can play with the numbers if you like and so can I.

Luka has been in the NBA 6.5 Years Davis 12.5. In their first 6 years Davis played 410 of 492 Luka played 400. This year Davis has played 43 games Luka 22. Now, after coming to the Lakers as a 7 year vet and moving from PF to center AD started getting a lot more injuries.. The truth is both of them miss games. The difference is why. Davis is a big man and big men get hurt a lot, period. There are exceptions to the rule like Joker and Tim Duncan but as a rule most big men either play 25ish mins a game or they stay hurt.

Davis gets injured as a function of who he is and his position. Moving to the 4 likely helps this.

Luka misses games for the same reason Zion Misses games. He does not take care of his body. Dude should be 230 max and is playing at 260-270. he is 6-6 (lets be generous and call it 6-7). He outweighs most NBA centers. This reminds Shawn Kemp, Derrick Coleman, Robert 'Tractor' Traylor, and the aforementioned Zion Williamson. Rudy Gobert does not weigh 260, neither does Bam. Most NBA starting centers are 250 or less. There 16 guys in the league with listed weights over 260, 15 of them are frequent fliers on the injury report and most of them are backups. Also 14 of the 16 are 6-9 or taller. With the 6-8 Guerschon Yabusele (265) and 6-6 Zion (284) being the exceptions.

The crazy parallel here is Zion and Luka. Zion also puts up all-star numbers when he plays. The hope is Lebron can rub off on him and honestly that's a likely thing. If Luka can get his body in shape and get a work ethic like Lebrons he can, in LA, probably end up in the GOAT conversation at some point. This trade will go down as the most lopsided in NBA history. But let's say the Mavs push hard into the playoffs this year and win a championship next year? Because as they are that's more likely than the Lakers putting up a run this year or next (FYI lifetime lakers fan here) as things stand now.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
Their need for a big is still there, and the final solution may be before next season and he may still be the best trade bait. They may have to make emergency move for this season due to pushing the trade deadline envelope.
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It might still be there. The wild card is Christian Wood and to a lesser extent Jaxson Hayes. The Lakers actually have a number of prospects on their team that could end up really good post players. Guys like Jaxson Hayes that have never really gotten a chance. Wood who has never really stayed healthy and 2 guys in the development pipeline () who might show up. One thing that people sleep on the the Lakers development system. They develop a ton of players. Look around the NBA and there are former Lakers littering dang near every roster being highly productive. I mean guys that were developed as Lakers and traded away too early.

Brandon Ingram
Julius Randle
Lonzo Ball
Deangelo Russell
Kyle Kuzma
KCP
Alex Caruso
Jordan Clarkson
Ivica Zubak
Talen Horton Tucker
Honorable Mention Scottie Pippen Jr.

That's just the top 10 I could think of not counting guys who came to the Lakers as free agents and jump-started/revived their careers. Dennis Schroder, Malik Monk etc.
 
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pimo1 said:
Its a bit disingenuous to just put it like that seeing their careers cover different lengths of time. YOu can play with the numbers if you like and so can I.
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I’m going to stop reading right there. The data is broken up in a 7 year period for Donic and a 7 year period for Davis (while he was with New Orleans), in which Davis missed more games. Then there is a 5 year period for Davis with the Lakers, in which Davis missed more games than Luka has in his 7 year career.

The only thing disingenuous is pretending like the time frames are not laid out in a way that is easily comparable and undeniably in favor of Luka Doncic being the more reliable player.
 
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