Dillon Bates' Performance

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BigOrangeTrain said:
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In your video, I like how the part of the brick that Butch initially tamps down into the mortar rises back up out of the mortar by the time he gets to the other edge. I'm not a mason, but that doesn't seem right. Kind of like many of his schemes, come to think of it.
 
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davethevol said:
Probably lousy coaching and a pathetic weight training program failed him.
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Dillion was over rated because of dad he was just a average 3 star if not for his last name he would have never came here, go back and look at his film he wasn't nothing special that caught your eye.
 
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fade route said:
You said certain players only blossom under good coaching - If Bates needs “blossoming” to crack the rotation then he’s not talented enough.

Sorry to have to dumb it down for you.
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When folks here use the word talent, is that just physical, or does it include the ability to understand schemes and recognize what's happening on the field?
 
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terrypedigo said:
Dillion was over rated because of dad he was just a average 3 star if not for his last name he would have never came here, go back and look at his film he wasn't nothing special that caught your eye.
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I’d tend to agree with this although I wish otherwise. I think we all wanted Dillon to do very well because of his dads legacy, so we could continue that legacy.
 
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Why is everybody pounding on him at this time? Last I heard the young man is still on our roster, hitting the weights and getting ready for another season. Whut the hell?
 
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JohnnyJava said:
In your video, I like how the part of the brick that Butch initially tamps down into the mortar rises back up out of the mortar by the time he gets to the other edge. I'm not a mason, but that doesn't seem right. Kind of like many of his schemes, come to think of it.
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This video of Butch laying the bricks should have been a clear sign for us. The dumb @$$ didn't even have any mortar for the brick he was laying.
 
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Weezer said:
Plausible argument, but it comes down to different strokes for different folks, imo. Some players are great at self motivation and pushing themselves. Other players only blossom under legitimate coaching. Certainly Bates had equal opportunity as any teammate, but does the fact he needed legitimate coaching really dismiss his physical talents. What comes natural to some does not come natural to others. Hard to argue Bates had bad teachers.
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Your argument falls apart because of 1 person Colton Jumper.

At least half of the vocal denizens on VN seem to think that CJ was a terrible untalented player that should have never played a snap much less started.

So if our stance held if a player with all the talent in the world and needed legit coaching couldn't make it. How does the scrub make it huh? Ya know that scrub who got signed as a UFA. He developed into a good enough player for the Saints to UFA him and he has survived rookie minicamps and generated enough interest for this Former Vol Colton Jumper could be sleeper for Saints

If VN would spend more time appreciating the players that actually get on the field and do their jobs and enjoying College football instead of putting ridiculous expectations on the shoulders of these kids. I do not believe in busts at the collegiate level. Not until those guys start getting paid.

High school recruiting rankings are at best about as exact a science as that the local weather man practices. There are signs that often lead to an outcome but one can never truly know until its all said and done.
 
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jonnon111 said:
He was over rated. So was Dontavious Blair, Kongbo, and Khalil McKenzie.

In fairness, we had some damn good linebacker play when they had a line in front :AJ, Kirkland, Bitulu is coming around, thank coaching for colten Jumper being servicable.
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I find it hard to believe that the recruiting services missed on all of them. The one thing they all have in common is being coached by the same merry band of idiots.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I find it hard to believe that the recruiting services missed on all of them. The one thing they all have in common is being coached by the same merry band of idiots.
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Touche". I agree that it is unlikely all missed on these kids and our coaches were a clown car.

However, they have missed on a few, would you agree?

Consider this: maybe that's why we won their recruiting battle. Maybe other coaches could see what the last staff couldn't. We seemed to get a lot of our biggest recruits were kids that missed their senior year (Hurd, Mckenzie).

Basically, it's easy to think he last coaching staff was to blame for lack of player development. I agree, they are at fault. But maybe we didn't have the studs we thought we were getting. It's also hard to believe the recruiting services get everyone right too.
 
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jonnon111 said:
He was over rated. So was Dontavious Blair, Kongbo, and Khalil McKenzie.

In fairness, we had some damn good linebacker play when they had a line in front :AJ, Kirkland, Bitulu is coming around, thank coaching for colten Jumper being servicable.
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Just stop at Blair.

K-Mac was a 3 year starter. Or 2 and some change. And was drafted

Kongbo has started or contributed since he's been on campus.

Bates and Blair were non-factors completely...don't group them with Kongbo and Khalil
 
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The Crimson Cried said:
What have been the challenges that this young man has been unable to overcome to become a high level player? I've not heard anything specific over the last few years. Obviously as heralded as he was coming out of high school he was expected to start at some point in his career. Thanks for any info.
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He got some good playing time early in FR season and then got hurt. Hasn't been the same since.
 
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LittleVol said:
Just stop at Blair.

K-Mac was a 3 year starter. Or 2 and some change. And was drafted

Kongbo has started or contributed since he's been on campus.

Bates and Blair were non-factors completely...don't group them with Kongbo and Khalil
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KMac started one season, last year, not 2 or more, certainly not 3. According to UTSports.com, he played 13 games as a freshman, had no starts....7 games as a sophomore, 1 start.....and last year, as a junior, he played in 11 games and started all of them. So, 12 starts in 31 career games at UT, 11 of which were in one season. And quite honestly, he wasn’t very good here no matter when he played.

Kongbo, a 5 Star JUCO who some had pegged as a 1 and done/early entry into the NFL draft when he came to UT, has been a major disappointment.....came here as a supposed terror off the edge as a pass rushing DE....has 3.5 sacks and 5.5 tfls in 17 career games.

While Bates has been a disappointment for sure, he has been good on special teams. He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned with Blair either.

Blair, as you’ve implied, was an incredibly big bust and deserves a category to himself.
 
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dan4vols said:
I’d tend to agree with this although I wish otherwise. I think we all wanted Dillon to do very well because of his dads legacy, so we could continue that legacy.
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If players' ratings are influenced by their lineage, and maybe they are, that explains why the entire legacy class underwhelmed, except for Berry maybe. In my opinion that eliminates any vestige of legitimacy for the rankings and explains some things.
 
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1974Vol said:
You always look way faster when you can read the play at the snap and your first step is on a good angle to the ball. Staying healthy and good coaching help that process.
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EXACTLY! The best LB in the League right now is not the fastest linebacker but the way he processes formations and motions with Down and Distance tendencies is second to no one.

LB's have a very unique job with all their responsibilities so if you can't keep up mentally you will never have a chance... Not saying that's what happened here but speed or "talent" usually doesn't keep kids off the field... Lack of mental recognition will. That is assuming he is atleast fast enough to be lower percentile for SEC backers.
 
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gunner said:
I agree he was NEVER the same after wing injured during his Freshman season.
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So he injured a shoulder as an 18 year old freshman.....and now, here 4 full years later, he won’t get on the field beyond special teams at what has been a severe position of need for 2-3 years now. Lemme guess....you’re also one of the guys who blames KMac’s poor career, including a bad junior year in 2017, on him missing his senior year in high school in 2014?
 
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Butch was just a joke and hopefully when all his players are gone, we can forget about why none of them were all-americans.
 
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terrypedigo said:
Dillion was over rated because of dad he was just a average 3 star if not for his last name he would have never came here, go back and look at his film he wasn't nothing special that caught your eye.
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Wow yet another pedigo gem. So I guess your eye for talent is much better than Saban, Fisher and Meyer. Because they all gave him an offer. But yeah, was overrated because of his dad. Good grief.
 
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