Did Fulmer overvalue himself?

Did Fulmer overvalue himself?

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#101
#101
roadvol said:
What half did I make up? There were several posters claiming any average coach could win big at UT with our history and facilities. Of course they all disappeared when we went into a decade long spiral.
Im guessing from your response. you were probably one of them.
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I don't remember anyone saying that, but if there were some that said it, I wasn't one of them. I can promise you that.
 
#102
#102
roadvol said:
Sure they could .... why not count all the titles UT has won since Fulmer left....there's a reason that Fulmer won more games in UT history except Gen Neyland.
( btw.. if you are correct ,why doesn't UT just hire a rhesus monkey?)
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We already tried a couple of those. It didn't work out.
 
#104
#104
He started off badly by replacing a Vol legend…many think he undermined him to get the job. Regardless, without Cutcliffe, the magic wasn’t there
 
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#107
#107
As a coach Fulmer got lazy recruiting and by the quality of recruits he was bringing in toward the end it showed. That's all on him, GREAT recruiting is what got him there and bad recruiting is what cost him in the end as a coach. Loyalty to old ways and coaches cost him the AD job, he was a coach and not an administrator after all, big difference.
 
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Same old internet chatter that has grown to be believed by many Vol fans with little truth to most of it.

Statements on why he failed off base. Admin support died when Johnson and Dickey left. From that point on things headed downhill and doom was on the horizon. That was the failure point.

And BTW, also the cause for everything else that has happened until Randy hired Donde.
 
#109
#109
Reading the other thread, did Fulmer actually think he was larger than the program or at least did he think he was the program?
 
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#112
The guy was cut from the conservative mold, trained by Johnny Majors. He showed us a wide open offense for 4 games as temporary head coach, we never saw that offense again. The guy out recruited the entire SEC for several years until coaches at other schools were hired to reverse that. With the talent he accumulated he should have won 3 NC's not 1. Even that year his conservatism almost cost us on several occasions, Syracuse, UGA, Auburn and famously Arkansas, then FSU lost their QB for the championship game. New coaches and their offenses forced him to change and he waited too late to get started. This is why no other school tried to hire him, 3 yardss and a cloud of dust.
 
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#113
#113
#1fulmerite said:
There has been much discussion about Fulmer on these boards as late as this week and, amongst Vol fans in general. As it seems, most on here state they believed it was time for him to go before his first firing. To me, he never seemed to accept it. It was as if he thought he was Tennessee football and above everyone and was owed more than just the millions he was paid. Then, when he came back as AD, there was a glow surrounding him as though he was proving he was Tennessee football and him being named AD was proof he was wronged. Before his first firing, it also seemed he was oblivious to the negative environment that the fan based had against him; he was in disbelief about his first firing. Was he thinking about Majors and the legions of the miserables and thus did not see the total sentiment? I think his negotiated package the second time included box seats among other perks. He never seemed to settle away from the Tennessee spotlight. I just can’t recall another coach who never accepted their firing like he did.
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Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno both had program declines where the fans were calling for their ouster. Both were allowed time to bring their programs back and they did. Fulmer was not given that opportunity. Furthermore, the result of his firing was devastating to the program and we have not fully recovered from that fiasco orchestrated by Mike Hamilton. Is there one person anywhere who thinks the program would not have fared much better over the last 18 years had Fulmer been retained 1 or 2 more years? Granted, he may not have turned things around, but would that have been worse than what actually occurred (Kiffen, Dooley, Butch, Pruett)? No way. Worst case, Fulmer fails, Clawson becomes HC and we go from there. That would have been better than what happened.
 
#114
#114
I still say that the end of Fulmer started the day Spurrier left Florida for the NFL. Until that happened, SS kept Fulmer on his toes as Fulmer had to keep up with UF or get left behind.

I know many will say we took a step back when Cut left, but the 01 team lost the SEC and national championship game because the defense couldn’t stop a backup QB running the QB draw.

The 01 sec championship was by far Fulmers worst performance coaching wise, about as bad as Majors 9-6 loss to Bama in 90.
 
#115
#115
LAVol1 said:
Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno both had program declines where the fans were calling for their ouster. Both were allowed time to bring their programs back and they did. Fulmer was not given that opportunity. Furthermore, the result of his firing was devastating to the program and we have not fully recovered from that fiasco orchestrated by Mike Hamilton. Is there one person anywhere who thinks the program would not have fared much better over the last 18 years had Fulmer been retained 1 or 2 more years? Granted, he may not have turned things around, but would that have been worse than what actually occurred (Kiffen, Dooley, Butch, Pruett)? No way. Worst case, Fulmer fails, Clawson becomes HC and we go from there. That would have been better than what happened.
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You may be correct in some ways, however I still don’t see Fulmer competing with Urban and Nick, he would not have sniffed a sec title game. Throw in how improved UGA became under MR, we most likely win 1 out of 3 in that series. 8-3, 7-4 would have been the average. Sure it’s better that Dooley, Jones and Pruitt on average, but would the fan base eventually turn on him anyway with the peak being a trip to the Gator bowl each year?
 
#116
#116
Wahoooo said:
You may be correct in some ways, however I still don’t see Fulmer competing with Urban and Nick, he would not have sniffed a sec title game. Throw in how improved UGA became under MR, we most likely win 1 out of 3 in that series. 8-3, 7-4 would have been the average. Sure it’s better that Dooley, Jones and Pruitt on average, but would the fan base eventually turn on him anyway with the peak being a trip to the Gator bowl each year?
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It’s sad when a fan base is excited about an 8-4 record and Gator Bowl win. Also telling when fans are disappointed with a 10-3 record and Gator Bowl win.
 
#118
#118
Wahoooo said:
You may be correct in some ways, however I still don’t see Fulmer competing with Urban and Nick, he would not have sniffed a sec title game. Throw in how improved UGA became under MR, we most likely win 1 out of 3 in that series. 8-3, 7-4 would have been the average. Sure it’s better that Dooley, Jones and Pruitt on average, but would the fan base eventually turn on him anyway with the peak being a trip to the Gator bowl each year?
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Probably, but the point of my post was that the program very likely would have been far better off had Fulmer been given one or two more years. Who knows? He might have been able to turn it around, as did Paterno and Bowden with fan bases just as dissatisfied as ours. Only one thing is certain: the transition was totally botched by whoever was responsible for Fulmer's ouster and the program was in ruins for over a decade because of it.
 
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#120
LAVol1 said:
Bobby Bowden and Joe Paterno both had program declines where the fans were calling for their ouster. Both were allowed time to bring their programs back and they did. Fulmer was not given that opportunity. Furthermore, the result of his firing was devastating to the program and we have not fully recovered from that fiasco orchestrated by Mike Hamilton. Is there one person anywhere who thinks the program would not have fared much better over the last 18 years had Fulmer been retained 1 or 2 more years? Granted, he may not have turned things around, but would that have been worse than what actually occurred (Kiffen, Dooley, Butch, Pruett)? No way. Worst case, Fulmer fails, Clawson becomes HC and we go from there. That would have been better than what happened.
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I must have missed Paterno and Bowden putting out national championship contending teams in their later years. What years and final ranking?
 
#121
#121
BernardKingGOAT said:
I must have missed Paterno and Bowden putting out national championship contending teams in their later years. What years and final ranking?
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The Bowden part doesn’t really hold up. His last 10+ win season was in 2003 and he retired in 2009. Joe Paterno’s squad made the rose bowl in 2008, went 11-2 in 2009, and were 8-1 when he got dismissed
 
#122
#122
BernardKingGOAT said:
I must have missed Paterno and Bowden putting out national championship contending teams in their later years. What years and final ranking?
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Paterno went 3-9 in 2003 and 4-7 in 2004. After fending off calls for his ouster due to the losing seasons, he responded with an 11-1 record in 2005, winning the Big 10 Championship, followed by consecutive 9-4 seasons and then two 11-2 seasons with another Big 10 Championship in 2008.

After 2 7-6 seasons, Bowden rebounded with a 9-4 season and share of the ACC championship. Bowden retired after the following season.
 
#123
#123
LAVol1 said:
Paterno went 3-9 in 2003 and 4-7 in 2004. After fending off calls for his ouster due to the losing seasons, he responded with an 11-1 record in 2005, winning the Big 10 Championship, followed by consecutive 9-4 seasons and then two 11-2 seasons with another Big 10 Championship in 2008.

After 2 7-6 seasons, Bowden rebounded with a 9-4 season and share of the ACC championship. Bowden retired after the following season.
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Wouldn’t consider back to back 7-6 season, a 9-4 season, and another 7-6 season “national championship contending” or “back”
 
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#124
#124
LAVol1 said:
Paterno went 3-9 in 2003 and 4-7 in 2004. After fending off calls for his ouster due to the losing seasons, he responded with an 11-1 record in 2005, winning the Big 10 Championship, followed by consecutive 9-4 seasons and then two 11-2 seasons with another Big 10 Championship in 2008.

After 2 7-6 seasons, Bowden rebounded with a 9-4 season and share of the ACC championship. Bowden retired after the following season.
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With Penn State's easy schedule, going 11-1 was still a nice comeback. Much like Fulmer's 2004 season, with a young but talented roster. UT's schedule was tough that year though. Fulmer's best coaching job IMO followed by his worst coaching job the next year. Cutcliffe came in the next two years to somewhat, right the ship, but then he left.
 
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