Defense, why is it so bad?

#27
#27
Fine Vol said:
I would say

coaching 50%
intinsity 20%
dicipline 30%
What do you feel makes us so bad?
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1. terrible coaching

2. lack of overall talent

3. youth, stupidity, wide receivers at corner who haven't played corner in almost 2 years, injuries in the secondary

4. larry slade

5. larry slade

6. dan brooks

7. terrible coaching again

8. lack of toughness
 
#30
#30
I agree that coaching is the biggest problem. However, I think Chavis plays so conservative b/c we just arn't very talented on D this year. The front 4 rarely pressures the QB, so that leaves us with 2 choices: 1- sit back and play solid in the secondary and stuff the run (which we've tried and haven't done well) or 2- gamble and send in mixed biltzing packages like a DB or 2 to disrrupt the opposing QB's timing. Hell, if they arn't going to cover well, send um at the source!

It's clear that Chavis is relying heavily on our talented offense this year to keep pace with the other team: Stay conservative and let EA and company do their thing. The only problem is when EA and company have an off game, they can't look to our D to bail us out.

Bottomline: If we get behind, the defense HAS to start gambling.
 
#31
#31
SWIL said:
I agree that coaching is the biggest problem. However, I think Chavis plays so conservative b/c we just arn't very talented on D this year. The front 4 rarely pressures the QB, so that leaves us with 2 choices: 1- sit back and play solid in the secondary and stuff the run (which we've tried and haven't done well) or 2- gamble and send in mixed biltzing packages like a DB or 2 to disrrupt the opposing QB's timing. Hell, if they arn't going to cover well, send um at the source!

It's clear that Chavis is relying heavily on our talented offense this year to keep pace with the other team: Stay conservative and let EA and company do their thing. The only problem is when EA and company have an off game, they can't look to our D to bail us out.

Bottomline: If we get behind, the defense HAS to start gambling.
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agreed, which is where you then have to scheme to stop someone....and i just don't see it happening. but you're right, the personnel we have don't allow us "to do what we do" as they might say from time to time.
 
#32
#32
They should start gambling from the first time the opposing offense snaps the ball. Look what happened when Jerod Mayo was sent on that blitz. Sack! I didn't see him blitz one other time all night I don't think.

What happened to seeing guys roam around (2001 Florida) where the d-line was standing up, moving around, confusing the offensive line. Where are the safety blitzes and bringing 7-8 while playing man to man on the wide receivers.

If they're going to tell them to give 8-10 yard cushions, playing zones and not blitzing isn't really going to do anything for you.
 
#34
#34
everything we do defensively is based on the situation we're in, reacting. They obviously don't think they have the personnel right now to attack or dictate pace.

we can't/don't blitz enogh, we haven't been a good coverage team, we've been OK against the run, at times.

this defense, when it's been good, has been opportunistic by getting turnovers. the majority of the time though it is a read, react, keep it in front of you type thing. down and distance hasn't mattered all year. 4th down hasn't mattered at times. for this defense to succeed, it requires great feild position, and an offense that makes some bad decisions or not execute, at times, a la SC in the 1st half.
 
#35
#35
Everything mentioned here goes back to bad coaching. Coaching is first of all evaluation and teaching. If you do not have the talent, you do not teach stunts, you teach the basics, e.g., gap assignment, technique, and tackling. In the ‘Bama game, I saw the right defensive end run into the B gap and turn his body (and legs) perpendicular to the line of scrimmage. The O guard bumped him and he hit the ground. We had a LB that was supposed to cover the C gap on that side, but a receiver (in motion) destroyed him; this was a running play that went for about 15 yards through this open area.

My point is that if you don’t have talented players, teach the tackles and ends to use pad leverage, hit the offensive player hard off the snap, shed the block, and watch your gaps and penetrate if possible. This is not getting done. If players know the basics and can see the results of their efforts, the motivation takes care of itself. We do not need anymore of this "did the chicken come before the egg" crap. ‘Nuff said.
 
#36
#36
Fine Vol said:
I would say

coaching 50%
intinsity 20%
dicipline 30%
What do you feel makes us so bad?
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pretty close to being right on target.

the 50% should be raised to 100% once accomplished the others take care of themselves.
 
#37
#37
Chavis's scheme's are based on the front four getting pressure and at least one double team. Noone on this front demands a double team. The ends are going against two guys most of the time. Whether it be a fb or rb and guard. Its all based on pressure and we just haven't gotten it. Now saying that it still gives no excuse for not adjusting to your personnel. I still haven't figured out why they are so stubborn not to scheme differently.
 
#39
#39
1)Jerod Mayo is a mediocre middle linebacker. I know this is blasphemy to many here. He would be better as a outside LB or strong safety. The ML is the on the field coach.

2)Subpar defensive ends, both can't come off their blocks and pressure the QB or stop the run. IMO, Robert Ayers should start one side and Walter Fisher the other.

3)Young secondary. You can't have two true freshmen playing in the secondary and not get burned.

4) Average but unimagitive coaching. Chavis didn't become dumb overnite but isn't flexible to cover weaknessness with different schemes ( 3-4 for example).

5) Our offense hasn't controlled the ball especially in the second half in many big games to take the pressure off the defense.
 
#42
#42
I think Chavis and Slade have too long of a memory. We keep playing that huge cushion zone probably because of how we got beat deep a number of times early in the season. I think it is obvious the cushion zone is getting shred, and frankly I for one would rather take the chance with the deep pass than give up short yards over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
 
#43
#43
TreeGreen said:
I think Chavis and Slade have too long of a memory. We keep playing that huge cushion zone probably because of how we got beat deep a number of times early in the season. I think it is obvious the cushion zone is getting shred, and frankly I for one would rather take the chance with the deep pass than give up short yards over, and over, and over, and over, and over.
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i think after watching all the game so far, just about everything they've tried has not worked. when they blitz and play man on the outside, they get a completion, when they lay back and cover, they get a completion. draws work, runs to the outside work. and the most common factor in all of it is.......we simply don't tackle. i watched a little of the replay last night and there was one play i remember, it was 3rd and 4 for SC, inside the TN 20 in the 1st qtr. they ran a draw. it gained 21 yards. We missed 6 tackles on the play. the first of which was right behind the LOS, the other 5 past the LOS.

i think the course of action they are taking with the schemes they are running is like deciding between a slow painful death or quick and painless one. i guess the good thing about the slow painful option is that it gives the opposing offense more oportunities to make mistakes, and it may give us the opportunity to get a turnover or two.....and really when you go back.....think about how many INT's we've dropped this year.........

and don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to let them off the hook.....nothing has worked with any consistency.....they need to do something else......simply lining up and trying to beat the guy in front of you isn't working.
 
#44
#44
I think some of the problem on defense is the amount of people we have lost in the secondary. Fellows, Morley, Inky Johnson, Antonio Gaines, Johnson. I also think our defensive ends are just not up to the standards of many of those in the past.
 
#45
#45
I dont want to get to excited here about next years team because who knows whats going to take place in the coaching staff....But, LB's Mayo, Mccoy, Donald would be a nasty threesome...Add Gearld Williams (depending on grades) and Ben Martin to the DE and surely we can get a pass rush....Secondary will have another year of experience and hopefully a new coach to....I read on here Morley got his grades up to get in, but on the Nashville Sports Zone yesterday evening they said that he would be a fine player at Carson Newman and that grades wasnt his only reason for departing the team....In short, if we can get a DB Coach and if Chief can remember how to coach to defense (I pray he is gone though) we should have a pretty solid D....IMO
 
#46
#46
jakez4ut said:
..the most common factor in all of it is.......we simply don't tackle.
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Agreed.

It seems that the defensive players are all trying to knock the offensive player down with a big shoulder hit, which may or may not happen.
It appears they'd rather make the ESPN highlight reel than wrap up. :dunno:
 
#47
#47
I feel like our defense is just poor all around. I don't think I can really analyze it any better. I'm sure the secondary would be better if the D-line were better, and vice-a-versa.:cray:
 
#48
#48
Fine Vol said:
Yea but is it Chavis not blitzing or our guys?
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I've seen blitzing on plenty of plays, but it seems our blitzers are being picked up. Some of this can probably be due to coaching technique. I beleive most of it comes down to raw tallent or lack thereof. We just don't have any more Al Wilsons, Leonard Littles, Shawn Elliss and on and on, etc.
 
#49
#49
having a DT or DE who demands double teams or more attention goes a long way towards establishing a good blitz. Allvol pretty much spelled it out, we just don't have that guy right now.
 
#50
#50
allvol123 said:
No pass rush. Number 1 problem.
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Ok sat against SC we had plenty of pass rush most we have had all season, fact is our D backs play about 5 to 10 yards off the reciever... we had plenty of time where the Dline was breathing down the QBs neck and he still made the off his back foot completion because our D backs where five yards behind the reciever that was standing on the first down mark! I mean come on you should be looking for INTs there not just to keep the guy infront of you... the only thing our D backs accomplish during the course of the game is not Getting a home run ball hit on them that often... Eric Berry is the only D back outside of the linebackers that looks like he should be on the field half the time
 
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