Defending Fulmer

[kptvol]

the defense was ranked 5th in the nation in '08..offense was the issue

The defense was generally good, but the second half of the UCLA game was horrid and there was some real boneheaded stuff here and there throughout the season. The defense on the final Aubie drive was so dumb you have to wonder if Chavis had a stroke.

 

[Bigun]

He's a starting DT at Texas Tech; losing him was a failure by Kiffin.

I'm not defending Kiffin but why did some guys last under Kiffin and other quit? Sounds like Langley was a typical soft, fat, lazy, out of shape recruit that was so prevalent in our program in the 2000's and didn't want to work hard like others.

Kiffin didn't run anybody off that didn't want to be here in the first place. They ran themselves off because they didn't want to tough it out. Poole had the most reason to leave and yet he stuck it out.

Are you sure you aren't Vickie?

 

[Bigun]

Found a picture of Vegas

 

[NashVol11]

So 3 recruiting classes later, we're still relying on Fulmer's recruits for our defense. What does that say about our recruiting post-Fulmer, if all of Fulmer's players are so terrible?

First of all, by "relying" you're talking about Willie Bohannon, an injured Lathers, and Daryl Vereen. That gave me a nice laugh.

To address your question, it says we didn't get many LBs last Signing Day when we didn't have a coach, and this year our guys are freshmen. The sooner they replace Fulmer's mostly worthless washouts, the better our team is going to be.

 

[utgibbs]

My favorite part was talking about Langley like he was someone good.

I honestly wonder if y'all watch college football sometimes.

Langley would have been the most important player on the TN defense last year and been needed support beside Malik. This team would have been demonstrably improved with five players Kiffin let get away. Admittedly, the SECE was down, but we would have beaten at least one big rival, and contended for the SECC with those five players. This has nothing at all to do with the 2009 Fulmer class which addressed needs and would not be the colossal failure of Kiffin's eventual class.

However, I understand this still equates to failure in many eyes.

 

[utgibbs]

I'm not defending Kiffin but why did some guys last under Kiffin and other quit? Sounds like Langley was a typical soft, fat, lazy, out of shape recruit that was so prevalent in our program in the 2000's and didn't want to work hard like others.

Kiffin didn't run anybody off that didn't want to be here in the first place. They ran themselves off because they didn't want to tough it out. Poole had the most reason to leave and yet he stuck it out.

Are you sure you aren't Vickie?

Might want to read the Tauren Poole / Kiffin story. Kiffin ran plenty off.

 

[Big Orange 1]

I'll stand behind my words. You keep on buying Fulmer memorabilia.

I'm sure the Penn State and Kansas State fans are lining up to bid against you.

Go Vols.

You stand by your words. If you would have READ my post I said that if this TEAM doesnt hold a special place in your heart you need to go. I said it doesnt matterWHO was coaching. Again, I'm defending the validity of our only National Championship since 1951 on a Tennessee message board. I'm sorry your despise for CPF outweighs the greatest season at UT since 1951. Just think if hadnt won that damn NC, you could have put on here how Phil choked again. SORRY.

 

[GreveHaller]

come on folks. Only 15 more post to get to a total of 1300 on the subject that will never die.

 

[DarthVisor]

show me where i ever said lone reason...and like i said before i care as much about a poll as a cock troll

Time and again, you have put the 08 season, and Fulmer's firing square on the shoulders of Clawson, without even acknowledging that Fulmer was ultimately responsible for what was taking place. I'm not going to dig into every thread and pull out every post. You will post it again soon, anyway.
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[Big Orange 1]

come on folks. Only 15 more post to get to a total of 1300 on the subject that will never die.

Yes it will, it will eventually die. Dooley will win a NC and then we'll have to defend him unless he wins every game by 3+ touchdowns.

 

[Bigun]

I honestly wonder if y'all watch college football sometimes.

Langley would have been the most important player on the TN defense last year and been needed support beside Malik. This team would have been demonstrably improved with five players Kiffin let get away. Admittedly, the SECE was down, but we would have beaten at least one big rival, and contended for the SECC with those five players. This has nothing at all to do with the 2009 Fulmer class which addressed needs and would not be the colossal failure of Kiffin's eventual class.

However, I understand this still equates to failure in many eyes.

lol:

Keep em coming gibbs. You are good for entertainment purposes if nothing else.

If you are saying that Langley would have been our best DL, then I'm not sure how that would equate to us being good because Langley sucks.

Who are the other 5 Fulmer quitters that would have had us in the NC game and beating Bama by 3 TD's that you reference in your post?

Please tell me about the following Fulmer recruits who were commited when he was rightly let go:

Jerod Askew
Jarvis Giles
Kevin Revis
Taj Boyd
David Oku

 

[Bigun]

Yes it will, it will eventually die. Dooley will win a NC and then we'll have to defend him unless he wins every game by 3+ touchdowns.

If Dooley wins a NC and then allows the program into a free fall because of complancency, then yes he would and should be rightly criticized.

Sound familiar?

 

[BigPapaVol]

Everyone get a load of Vegas Vol's list of star recruits?

Looked like a who's who of losing to Vandy type deal.
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[cotton]

It's been two years with 2 head coaches.

Both of whom posted records better than 2 of Fulmer's last 4 seasons.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Time and again, you have put the 08 season, and Fulmer's firing square on the shoulders of Clawson, without even acknowledging that Fulmer was ultimately responsible for what was taking place. I'm not going to dig into every thread and pull out every post. You will post it again soon, anyway.
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what I've said is Fulmer hired Clawson, it's his responsibility, and it got him fired

 

[Big Orange 1]

If Dooley wins a NC and then allows the program into a free fall because of complancency, then yes he would and should be rightly criticized.

Sound familiar?

I was referring to a post talking about how we didnt walk all over everybody in the 1998 regular season. Nothing to do with free-falling into complacency. I should have been more clear. My bad.

 

[gnm53108]

what I've said is Fulmer hired Clawson, it's his responsibility, and it got him fired

That aint the sole reason but it sure was a big one. Even with everything else that happened if we had a decent middle of the road offense in 08 Coach Fulmer would still be our HC.

Your post will probably get a bama load of responses arguing it tho.:loco:

 

[utgibbs]

lol:

Keep em coming gibbs. You are good for entertainment purposes if nothing else.

If you are saying that Langley would have been our best DL, then I'm not sure how that would equate to us being good because Langley sucks.

Who are the other 5 Fulmer quitters that would have had us in the NC game and beating Bama by 3 TD's that you reference in your post?

Please tell me about the following Fulmer recruits who were commited when he was rightly let go:

Jerod Askew
Jarvis Giles
Kevin Revis
Taj Boyd
David Oku

Those aren't the guys I had in mind.

Langley, Creer, Paige, Douglas, Coleman

I don't think we would have won the BCS NC last year, but we would have certainly been in the hunt and in the mix for the SECE with those guys here. Langley would have been our best DL. Creer would have been, if nothing else, the back-up RB we didn't have. Paige would have filled the hole left by GJ injury. Douglas needs no explanation. Coleman > Simms. These are all major contributors at their new schools (well, with the tragic exception).

It's a no-brainer to anyone who watches college football. We would have been a FAR better team with just those five guys to say nothing of Fulmer's 2009 class which was >> Kiffin's biggest bust in 60 years of SEC football.

 

[utgibbs]

That aint the sole reason but it sure was a big one. Even with everything else that happened if we had a decent middle of the road offense in 08 Coach Fulmer would still be our HC.

Your post will probably get a bama load of responses arguing it tho.:loco:

I don't put all the blame on Clawson. He tried to do too much too soon with a QB who had already juggled offenses. Continuity is what JC desperately needed, and I think he would have improved his draft stock immensely under Clawson in '09.

As it turned out, he got another offensive coordinator, was just as bad as before for 1/2 the year, and then, as a 5th year senior, things clicked for him.

 

[Bigun]

I was referring to a post talking about how we didnt walk all over everybody in the 1998 regular season. Nothing to do with free-falling into complacency. I should have been more clear. My bad.

I actually agree with you on the 98 season. Doesn't matter how we won them, we did that year. I'm not sure why people think the Syracuse game was luck. They committed PI on the last drive, pretty simple.

While the UF game wasn't luck, we did only have 7 first downs and less than 150 yards of offense, but sometimes games happen that way. No luck, we just did what we had to do to win.

The Arkansas game there was some luck involved but as you have stated, every team needs some fortune at least once in the season if they are going to win.

If people want to talk about luck, then the last half of the 2007 season is what luck is all about. USC, Vandy and Kentucky games were all about luck.

However my thought is this. Even though the SEC was down in the 90's why is that Fulmer's fault? He won and he was supposed to win. I don't fault him at all for winning against opponents that were in a down cycle. I do have some criticisms of how uptight he was when we played UF, but alot of teams got drilled by them.

My fault lies starting right after the 2001 UF game. Things never were the same starting that week.

 

[Bigun]

Those aren't the guys I had in mind.

Langley, Creer, Paige, Douglas, Coleman

I don't think we would have won the BCS NC last year, but we would have certainly been in the hunt and in the mix for the SECE with those guys here. Langley would have been our best DL. Creer would have been, if nothing else, the back-up RB we didn't have. Paige would have filled the hole left by GJ injury. Douglas needs no explanation. Coleman > Simms. These are all major contributors at their new schools (well, with the tragic exception).

It's a no-brainer to anyone who watches college football. We would have been a FAR better team with just those five guys to say nothing of Fulmer's 2009 class which was >> Kiffin's biggest bust in 60 years of SEC football.

Paige has done nothing since leaving and Creer is having decent success at LaTech. Langely has done nothing and BJ was a decent QB at a D2 school. However I do think Coleman would have been a good QB here if he had stuck it out and not quit.

A BCS contender and in the hunt? LOL! Still good for laughs. Who would Fulmer had fired off the offensive staff since not all the coaches (Adkins mainly) were on the same page and some thought Clawson's offense wouldn't work. Not only that, but Fulmer never showed he could hire the right guy to run the offense and he was to scared of Chavy to do anything with the defense.

The guy he wanted to hire before Clawson was Rob Spence, Clemson's OC and he offered him the job twice and got turned down twice and Spence ended up getting fired halfway thru the season. So both guys that Fulmer wanted, Spence and Clawson had offenses so bad that they got the axe the following year.

However he could have hired Deboard from Michigan and likely gotten Ryan Mallet to transfer here but for whatever reason, he didn't do that.

 

[zjcvols]

Donald Langley, Lennon Creer, and Ahmad Paige would have won us the SEC.

Just awesome.

 

[utgibbs]

Paige has done nothing since leaving and Creer is having decent success at LaTech. Langely has done nothing and BJ was a decent QB at a D2 school. However I do think Coleman would have been a good QB here if he had stuck it out and not quit.

A BCS contender and in the hunt? LOL! Still good for laughs. Who would Fulmer had fired off the offensive staff since not all the coaches (Adkins mainly) were on the same page and some thought Clawson's offense wouldn't work. Not only that, but Fulmer never showed he could hire the right guy to run the offense and he was to scared of Chavy to do anything with the defense.

However he could have hired Deboard from Michigan and likely gotten Ryan Mallet to transfer here but for whatever reason, he didn't do that.

Story also goes Fulmer wanted Mallet and the MI guys but Hambone refused.... I suppose it is who you listen to. Spence was #2.

The Chavis comment is ridiculous by any metric.

Paige was injured for half the season, and was still #3 at LA Tech, and I believe still caught more TDs than anyone there.

Creer would possibly be the starter even over Poole (although I like Poole a lot). He DEFINITELY would have been the #2 RB we so desperately needed.

Langley started on DL at another BCS school. We needed him badly, and he would have had a huge impact.

Coleman > Simms, despite what school and division he is at now. Even I think Fulmer was too high on JC. (BTW, I like Simms a lot. He's got a lot of character and is tough as nails. I'm still not sold on CDD bringing in Bray when he did in the USCe game)

This was what we needed to be in contention for the SECE. We would have aquitted ourselves better than the Gamecocks, but I won't say we would have won it.

As many have said, we weren't that far away (from the East) last year. Five players Kiffin ran off (or the Kiffin-effect ran off) would have been huge for our Vols (dare I say, one might still be alive today, which is more important than all the rest).

 

[Bigun]

Story also goes Fulmer wanted Mallet and the MI guys but Hambone refused.... I suppose it is who you listen to. Spence was #2.

The Chavis comment is ridiculous by any metric.

Paige was injured for half the season, and was still #3 at LA Tech, and I believe still caught more TDs than anyone there.

Creer would possibly be the starter even over Poole (although I like Poole a lot). He DEFINITELY would have been the #2 RB we so desperately needed.

Langley started on DL at another BCS school. We needed him badly, and he would have had a huge impact.

Coleman > Simms, despite what school and division he is at now. Even I think Fulmer was too high on JC. (BTW, I like Simms a lot. He's got a lot of character and is tough as nails. I'm still not sold on CDD bringing in Bray when he did in the USCe game)

This was what we needed to be in contention for the SECE. We would have aquitted ourselves better than the Gamecocks, but I won't say we would have won it.

As many have said, we weren't that far away (from the East) last year. Five players Kiffin ran off (or the Kiffin-effect ran off) would have been huge for our Vols (dare I say, one might still be alive today, which is more important than all the rest).

I don't know what universe you live in, but it sure is entertaining to read your posts and see what fantasy you are going to tell us about next.

 

[DjCrenshaw]

I don't know what universe you live in, but it sure is entertaining to read your posts and see what fantasy you are going to tell us about next.

You can actually finish one of his posts? I get a quarter in and just decide to wait till someone else posts to respond.