Defending Fulmer

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cotton said:
I agree completely with the bolded. I don't even care about the middle.

What I despise is that so many think it was some kind of crime to fire a coach who wasn't getting the job done at the end of his tenure because of the success he had at the beginning, so much so that they are still bending truths and slinging mud two coaches later.
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It's like I've said a million times before on here : I like Fulmer and will always like him.

I've never said I didnt think he should have been replaced.

I DONT like how it was handled.

I don't think we made a wise move hiring Lane Kiffin. (never did, unproven, we are Tennessee, with a huge stadium, plenty of money, and the greatest fans in the world, we could have done better that his smart ass.)

But at some point, alot on here are going to have to blame someone else for the current state "on the hill".

For many of us on here the "glory years", were the "Fulmer years.

Ok, so the guy should have won this and should have won that. He didnt. That doesnt mean he's a bum, failure and all the other stuff you read.

He did win a NC. He did win 75% of the games he coached.

I just dont understand the despise for him. Not saying anyone is wrong for being glad he is not the head coach. Thats you're opinion. I know a gator fan who said he was glad Meyer quit.

Just why the despise? thats all.

GBO!!
 
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cotton said:
I agree completely with the bolded. I don't even care about the middle.

What I despise is that so many think it was some kind of crime to fire a coach who wasn't getting the job done at the end of his tenure because of the success he had at the beginning, so much so that they are still bending truths and slinging mud two coaches later.
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The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and hiring Lane Kiffin's Daddy (since our Tennessee Head Coach could only get the job if his daddy was on the staff to watch him. I just shake my head thinking about it, that a UTAD actually made this kind of decision with our storied football team.)

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and not upgrading (as the last two years - about to be three - testify).

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and hiring "the worst football hire in 60 years of SEC football."

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and not producing a proven winner hire with two shots at it.

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the middle of the season and slinging mud at him when you have no living memory of anything before Fulmer (not necessarily you, Cotton).

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and making a hire (the worst in 60 years of SEC football) who, if he were still here would likely have set the program back a decade after being fired in two seasons.

The crime was the Hambone Experiment (and the GoF mudslinging).
 
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utgibbs said:
The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and hiring Lane Kiffin's Daddy (since our Tennessee Head Coach could only get the job if his daddy was on the staff to watch him. I just shake my head thinking about it, that a UTAD actually made this kind of decision with our storied football team.)

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and not upgrading (as the last two years - about to be three - testify).

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and hiring "the worst football hire in 60 years of SEC football."

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and not producing a proven winner hire.

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the middle of the season and slinging mud at him when you have no living memory of anything before Fulmer (not necessarily you, Cotton).

The crime was firing said coach in the middle of the season and making a hire (the worst in 60 years of SEC football) who, if he were still here would like set the program back a decade.

The crime was the Hambone Experiment (and the GoF mudslinging).
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Alot of the things you just said could have been said about hiring Fulmer when Majors was let go...in the middle of the season.
 
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#854
It's interesting reading through here that most fans that use cleaver names for Fulmer (fulmanure, failmer, etc) are the same people that idolize Kiffin. It's a paradox. Fulmer sucks because he didn't win any championships for 10 years....but Kiffin is a great coach.

Fulmer was a great coach at UT for a long time. His time passed and he was rightfully removed.

Kiffin was flat out terrible running an SEC program in every aspect.

Dooley is doing the right thing so far, but only time will tell if the W's come.
 
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Bigun said:
Alot of the things you just said could have been said about hiring Fulmer when Majors was let go...in the middle of the season.
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True, although Johnny did make his own bed off the field.

In addition, Fulmer was upgrade over Johnny. For better or worse, that smooths over a lot of the above.

The crime, again, was firing our 2nd greatest coach in the middle of the season and making "the worst football hire in 60 years of SEC football." Clearly we had an incompetent AD. However, I'm not sure there was a better coach for Tennessee out there at the time, and 2012 is already CDD's make or break year according to many of the Fulmer haters....
 
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#856
#856
::SIGH::

Does talking about Fulmer every get old to anyone else? Good grief he was fired in 2008. Let's move on.
 

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utgibbs said:
True, although Johnny did make his own bed off the field.

In addition, Fulmer was upgrade over Johnny. For better or worse, that smooths over a lot of the above.

The crime, again, was firing our 2nd greatest coach in the middle of the season and making "the worst football hire in 60 years of SEC football." Clearly we had an incompetent AD. However, I'm not sure there was a better coach for Tennessee out there at the time, and 2012 is already CDD's make or break year according to many of the Fulmer haters....
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Again, the same could apply to Fulmer taking over for Majors.

Fulmer brought alot of the problems on himself with his absolute refusal to change or hold asst coaches accountable.

At the time Fulmer was hired, there was no way to know if he was going to be better than Johnny had been the past 3 years.

1989 - 11-1
1990 - 9-2-2
1991 - 9-3

We fired Majors after coming off of 3 years of 2 SEC championships and a record of 29-6-2.

We fired Fulmer after coming off a 3 year record of

2006 - 9-4
2007 - 10-3
2008 - 5-7

24-14 and if you count 2005 it takes the record to 29-21.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
I don't think we made a wise move hiring Lane Kiffin. (never did, unproven, we are Tennessee, with a huge stadium, plenty of money, and the greatest fans in the world, we could have done better that his smart ass.)
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That resume reminds me of someone else that spent a decade and a half at the helm.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
But at some point, alot on here are going to have to blame someone else for the current state "on the hill".
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He's only been gone 2 seasons. As the recruiter of most of the upper classmen, he's still intimately tied with this team's performance.
 
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#860
The crime is gibbs pretending anyone that disagrees with him is too young to remember "up the middle" Majors.
 
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Bigun said:
Again, the same could apply to Fulmer taking over for Majors.

Fulmer brought alot of the problems on himself with his absolute refusal to change or hold asst coaches accountable.

At the time Fulmer was hired, there was no way to know if he was going to be better than Johnny had been the past 3 years.

1989 - 11-1
1990 - 9-2-2
1991 - 9-3

We fired Majors after coming off of 3 years of 2 SEC championships and a record of 29-6-2.

We fired Fulmer after coming off a 3 year record of

2006 - 9-4
2007 - 10-3
2008 - 5-7

24-14 and if you count 2005 it takes the record to 29-21.
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But, Bigun, everybody knows that Johnny's sudden meteoric improvement was because Phil became the OC and recruiting coordinator. Phil built those end Johnny years. In addition, as everyone knows with living memory of the time, Phil was keeping the dressing room together - threats of coaches walking out mid-season and the like. It was bad. And Johnny, bless him, sensing the writing on the wall, comes back too soon and alienates everybody he can along the way.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
Kiffin was flat out terrible running an SEC program in every aspect.
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According to who? No one had a cross word to say about him prior to his departure and several pundits were predicting big things in the years to come. The players even said things were a lot better.
 
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kptvol said:
According to who? No one had a cross word to say about him prior to his departure and several pundits were predicting big things in the years to come. The players even said things were a lot better.
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Players aren't going to say they are worse. Kiffin's antics lost the attention of a lot of players. Some because they were used to PF, and some because the bs they were fed on occasion didn't pan out the way they were told.
In reality, I liked Kiffin at first, but his schtick became old for me during the season. The only thing the future held with him here was going to be further ncaa penalties. I wish DD was hired several years ago and we could see right now what his team in year 4/5 would look like.
 
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pl3 said:
Players aren't going to say they are worse. Kiffin's antics lost the attention of a lot of players. Some because they were used to PF, and some because the bs they were fed on occasion didn't pan out the way they were told.
In reality, I liked Kiffin at first, but his schtick became old for me during the season. The only thing the future held with him here was going to be further ncaa penalties. I wish DD was hired several years ago and we could see right now what his team in year 4/5 would look like.
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More than one player said they learned a lot more in the first Kiffin practice than they had in years with Phil. Having Monte Kiffin will do that. I've talked to a few in private that had no reason to lie. They have good things to say about Dooley and co., too.
 
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Bigun said:
Again, the same could apply to Fulmer taking over for Majors.

Fulmer brought alot of the problems on himself with his absolute refusal to change or hold asst coaches accountable.

At the time Fulmer was hired, there was no way to know if he was going to be better than Johnny had been the past 3 years.

1989 - 11-1
1990 - 9-2-2
1991 - 9-3

We fired Majors after coming off of 3 years of 2 SEC championships and a record of 29-6-2.

We fired Fulmer after coming off a 3 year record of

2006 - 9-4
2007 - 10-3
2008 - 5-7

24-14 and if you count 2005 it takes the record to 29-21.
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:yes:
 
#870
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Big Orange 1 said:
My God, you love him dont you?
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I don't hate him enough to lie about what happened when he was here. There were threads popping up daily when so and so from ESPN said we're heading or big things, etc.

And I might have let the comment slide if it weren't coming from a guy that stood behind Fulmer for years when it was obvious his time had past. Now he's criticizing how someone else ran a program. No, that doesn't fly.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Seems to me that he's just reporting facts.
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Right, where a couple of us have said he would have a lousy year with one of the most talented teams in the nation (check).

And we are also on the record saying he will not be at USC longer than their penalties. I'm not sure how much longer we have to wait to see us proved right on that one.

In addition, some of us said he would be rightly regarded as one of the worst hires ever for Tennessee. I suppose we might be a little wrong there since the pundits have described him as the worst hire in the SEC over a multitude of years.
 
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"One of the most talented teams in the nation" is funny as hell. We started Crompton, the Sullins twins, no linebackers, spent the year covering up for the fact that we had one DL and had to bottle up the offense so badly that we were afraid to throw it late, even when we needed it. That's enormous talent. Playing keep away was probably what tipped you off.

Please tell me about the HUGE number of draft choices off that team. I'll be especially curious to hear about the offensive linemen who under achieved for a career.
 
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utgibbs said:
Right, where a couple of us have said he would have a lousy year with one of the most talented teams in the nation (check).

And we are also on the record saying he will not be at USC longer than their penalties. I'm not sure how much longer we have to wait to see us proved right on that one.

In addition, some of us said he would be rightly regarded as one of the worst hires ever for Tennessee. I suppose we might be a little wrong there since the pundits have described him as the worst hire in the SEC over a multitude of years.
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You sure do say a lot of things you never post.
 
#875
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kptvol said:
You sure do say a lot of things you never post.
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using pundit support is allsome. Surely none of those guys saw the writing on the wall wrt Fulmer. I'm sure they all said keeping him was the route to the top and that we'd never win under 9 games again under Fulmer.
 
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