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BeardedVol said:
UK has not, and does not expect Stoops to be competitive in the conference as a whole. You can't really compare Heupel to Stoops, unless we lower the expectations for Heupel, or Kentucky raises the expectations for Stoops.

Kentucky is perfectly fine with the job Stoops is doing. Would you be fine with keeping Heupel for 8+ seasons if during that time he only had one winning SEC record, and never had a win over Florida/Georgia/Alabama?
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You're taking it to literal. It was just an example that Stoops (for UK's expectations of performance and success) showed signs beyond his W/L (12-24 his first 3 years) that he had the program moving in the right direction. They stuck with him and it has paid off. I'm not saying they're contenders or anything but they're not the same ole 2-10 UK everyone puts a beat down on annually either, they are a respectable football team.

If Huepel, in his first 3-4 seasons, isn't winning championships or going 11-1 like we all want but is showing progress outside of the W/L column that indicates he has it going in the right direction (good recruiting, building depth with redshirts, beating the teams we should beat, closing the gap with our biggest rivals, etc)then you give him some more time to continue building. Yes, he has to earn that right through performance and I don't know exactly what that looks like but if he has the potential to breakthrough you give him more time vs tearing it down again.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Kiffin is 5-18 vs ranked teams and 8-9 in the SEC. he caused serious issues and at three of his four HC gigs. He’s a good OC but has done nothing to be shown to be a successful HC
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Had massive scholarship limitations at USC then took on a rebuild at both Florida Atlantic and Ole Miss. Will he be a GREAT HC? Only time will tell, but he's clearly not a bad HC. Would you hire Lane or Dooley/Butch/Pruitt/Chad Morris? There is worse.
 
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lexkyvol said:
1-0 as a starter is hooker. u can talk about fumbles and one int, but talk about all the points he's put on the board leading the offense. Bailey had similar talent last year so we've seen that movie. he also had fumbles and int's. the reason he doesnt this year is because he started off 3rd best in the qb room. i think he plays at UT if he is patient, but he's nowhere near hooker
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No he didn’t have the talent your wrong. He also didn’t have the confidence as a team like now. Totally different offense and pass happy that he knows at the Hs. Level. Your about to see how good you think he is against Florida at Florida. He makes bad bad bad decisions hanging on to the ball to long. I watched in the spring game and got sick as hell when threw it at the end of the Pitt. Game. Both have thrown to many bad balls INTS and fumbles. You get what you get with the mentality of that QBs make up. How they’ve played all there lives. If you think that they can be coached up to change then your WRONG.
 
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Birdie said:
Had massive scholarship limitations at USC then took on a rebuild at both Florida Atlantic and Ole Miss. Will he be a GREAT HC? Only time will tell, but he's clearly not a bad HC. Would you hire Lane or Dooley/Butch/Pruitt/Chad Morris? There is worse.
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Those USC teams were loaded. The team Kiffin went 7-6 with in 2012 with had 23 players who made it to the NFL, each year he coached at USC his roster had 20+ future NFL players. To make a comparison, Alabama won the national championship that year with 23. Florida State's 2013 NC team had 25. Ohio State's national title team in 2014 had 30. Alabama's 2015 NC team had 30. Clemson's 2016 NC roster had 16. That was the talent level Kiffin got to coach at USC. It was in the upper echelon. Tennessee hasn't had 20 plus NFL players on a roster in 20 years.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
how did he do at Raiders and UT and USC? We aren’t talking midmajor crap. You sound like the posters saying coaches like Norvell or Fuentes or Hawkins or Peterson or Leach or Sumlin would be awesome coaches because they had some good offenses at midmajor type schools but can’t ever cut it in a major conference just like Kiffin
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I already cited how he did here - day-and-night better than anyone we have had since. Anyone who claims otherwise has no credibility.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
I already cited how he did here - day-and-night better than anyone we have had since. Anyone who claims otherwise has no credibility.
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He didn’t do anything here that Butch Jones didn’t do. And you can’t name one thing he did here
 
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VolMack——————$ said:
No he didn’t have the talent your wrong. He also didn’t have the confidence as a team like now. Totally different offense and pass happy that he knows at the Hs. Level. Your about to see how good you think he is against Florida at Florida. He makes bad bad bad decisions hanging on to the ball to long. I watched in the spring game and got sick as hell when threw it at the end of the Pitt. Game. Both have thrown to many bad balls INTS and fumbles. You get what you get with the mentality of that QBs make up. How they’ve played all there lives. If you think that they can be coached up to change then your WRONG.
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so who was different?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So a kid who was 4th all time in Georgia HS passing was inflated by Gilbert? I remember seeing some games with those guys and Gilbert dropped quite a few passes. I think what has happened to Bailey is poor coaching and lack of effort instilled by Pruitt.
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I think what has happened is you have a slow kid with an average arm, and a very slow release that is just not sec quarterback material. That’s the reason Chaney was trying to get Haynes King, and that’s the reason Heupel is starting Joe Milton.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Not really. It’s just whining. We’re on game 3. Let’s give our coach a little time to see if he can correct our course or not. Whining about failure to develop talent by prior staffs has no bearing on what happens under this one.
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Jeez this is the most worn out response by people here, the “give him time” or “give him 3 -4 years”, or even better “y’all expect an SEC title in year one”.
No, no one expects a year one coach here to stack the wins. They do expect change, and hopefully change for the better.
And year one coaches can, and have provided change/and excitement with way less talent. Did they win a championship year one? No! Did they show willingness to adapt, change, and give fans reasons to be excited after year one? Yes!
Jeez look at Kiffin in Ole Miss! I know he’s the boogie man to people here, but his team did great last year(certainly compared to what we’ve grown to expect here), and year two he’s ranked and doing better. Yet by your standard and expectations coaches are exempt from criticism until they’ve had time??? How much time? Am I saying JH needs to be fired? No I’m not at all! But to act as if any questioning is absurd is the dumbest, most played out thing that’s ever come out of this forum
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He didn’t do anything here that Butch Jones didn’t do. And you can’t name one thing he did here
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Once again: repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it so. He came much closer to beating Bama than Jones or any other coach in the last thirteen years, and he had a winning record in his first season. Welcome to ignore, truth-bender.
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Jeez this is the most worn out response by people here, the “give him time” or “give him 3 -4 years”, or even better “y’all expect an SEC title in year one”.
No, no one expects a year one coach here to stack the wins. They do expect change, and hopefully change for the better.
And year one coaches can, and have provided change/and excitement with way less talent. Did they win a championship year one? No! Did they show willingness to adapt, change, and give fans reasons to be excited after year one? Yes!
Jeez look at Kiffin in Ole Miss! I know he’s the boogie man to people here, but his team did great last year(certainly compared to what we’ve grown to expect here), and year two he’s ranked and doing better. Yet by your standard and expectations coaches are exempt from criticism until they’ve had time??? How much time? Am I saying JH needs to be fired? No I’m not at all! But to act as if any questioning is absurd is the dumbest, most played out thing that’s ever come out of this forum
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Ole Miss started off 1-4 last season before the Vandy game. Ole Miss’s version of advancedrescue had grounds for “questioning”.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Once again: repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it so. He came much closer to beating Bama than Jones or any other coach in the last thirteen years, and he had a winning record in his first season. Welcome to ignore, truth-bender.
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You’re taking this WAY too personally…please don’t stop. Room on that list for me? 😉
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Jeez look at Kiffin in Ole Miss! I know he’s the boogie man to people here, but his team did great last year(certainly compared to what we’ve grown to expect here), and year two he’s ranked and doing better.
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Big difference in the situations both LK and JH inherited. Swap QB rooms on these teams and results would be drastically different. I don’t think JH can be fairly evaluated until he’s able to get his QB in. And before you say Milton is his QB, I disagree. There’s a reason he recruited Milton after spring practice. He didn’t think what he had was good enough, knew Milton has physical tools and is hoping he can coach him up. More like a case of being the best available option at the time, not necessarily what he would have wanted. You may not agree, but with the late start in recruiting, I’m not sure Tayven Jackson would’ve been the top of his list either. For that reason, I’m willing to give him 3-4 years to get depth across the board and a QB he really wants instead of has to settle for.

That being said, he can be evaluated in areas such as flexibility, in game decisions, is team prepared each week, etc. But even some of those areas will be impacted by the players he inherited. JMO, but this fan base needs to get realistic and stop expecting this program that has been a garbage dump for umpteen years to get turned around in one or two years, especially with the advent of the transfer portal.
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Jeez this is the most worn out response by people here, the “give him time” or “give him 3 -4 years”, or even better “y’all expect an SEC title in year one”.
No, no one expects a year one coach here to stack the wins. They do expect change, and hopefully change for the better.
And year one coaches can, and have provided change/and excitement with way less talent. Did they win a championship year one? No! Did they show willingness to adapt, change, and give fans reasons to be excited after year one? Yes!
Jeez look at Kiffin in Ole Miss! I know he’s the boogie man to people here, but his team did great last year(certainly compared to what we’ve grown to expect here), and year two he’s ranked and doing better. Yet by your standard and expectations coaches are exempt from criticism until they’ve had time??? How much time? Am I saying JH needs to be fired? No I’m not at all! But to act as if any questioning is absurd is the dumbest, most played out thing that’s ever come out of this forum
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Using Kiffin as ammo for your argument is weak. The biggest reason? Did Kiffin walk into anything close to what Heupel did? The answer is no. Not even remotely close. Therefore, using Kiffin is dumb.

No call aches aren’t exempt from criticism but my goodness. In game 3 of year 1 with what Heupel walked into? Let’s use your Kiffin example. How would he look right now if he would have lost his best offensive and defensive players? Or only had 71 scholarship players? Or lost almost 30 players to the transfer portal?

See this is where Vol fans get it wrong. Using the how much time should we give a coach argument can be flawed. The situations each head coach inherits are not the same. What head coach walked into a worse situation than Heupel did this year? Honestly. Because the situate are not equal, the same time issue cannot be just arbitrarily used.
 
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Forgive me — this may have already been said — but this could be in response to the staff telling him they want to RS him.

that would give them time to decide if they like him at RB or maybe more at another position.
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Jeez this is the most worn out response by people here, the “give him time” or “give him 3 -4 years”, or even better “y’all expect an SEC title in year one”.
No, no one expects a year one coach here to stack the wins. They do expect change, and hopefully change for the better.
And year one coaches can, and have provided change/and excitement with way less talent. Did they win a championship year one? No! Did they show willingness to adapt, change, and give fans reasons to be excited after year one? Yes!
Jeez look at Kiffin in Ole Miss! I know he’s the boogie man to people here, but his team did great last year(certainly compared to what we’ve grown to expect here), and year two he’s ranked and doing better. Yet by your standard and expectations coaches are exempt from criticism until they’ve had time??? How much time? Am I saying JH needs to be fired? No I’m not at all! But to act as if any questioning is absurd is the dumbest, most played out thing that’s ever come out of this forum
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Spare me the straw man argument. It’s already beyond questioning as some are already saying this staff is no better than the last one, can’t get it done, Heupel isn’t “the guy”, and so on. Where did I say criticism isn’t allowed? I didn’t so get off your soap box and stop arguing about something no one ever said.
 
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advancedrescue27 said:
Jeez this is the most worn out response by people here, the “give him time” or “give him 3 -4 years”, or even better “y’all expect an SEC title in year one”.
No, no one expects a year one coach here to stack the wins. They do expect change, and hopefully change for the better.
And year one coaches can, and have provided change/and excitement with way less talent. Did they win a championship year one? No! Did they show willingness to adapt, change, and give fans reasons to be excited after year one? Yes!
Jeez look at Kiffin in Ole Miss! I know he’s the boogie man to people here, but his team did great last year(certainly compared to what we’ve grown to expect here), and year two he’s ranked and doing better. Yet by your standard and expectations coaches are exempt from criticism until they’ve had time??? How much time? Am I saying JH needs to be fired? No I’m not at all! But to act as if any questioning is absurd is the dumbest, most played out thing that’s ever come out of this forum
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Ole Miss won 4 SEC games the year before Lane got there and they won 4 last year. Except last year their average loss was by 11 points and in 2019 it was by 10.6 even though the 2019 team faced a tougher schedule.
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
Everyone wonders how Kentucky can have a better program than us now. Stoops is in his 9th year and they have built their team on the LOS. They can develop guys under the same staff for 2-3 years before playing.
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I wonder if he's overlooked or if he's waiting on a particular job? Or just happy at UK?

He's 52-50 at a place that's been a coaching graveyard. He looks to be heading for his 5th season with 7+ wins. Surprised he hasn't taken/been offered a bigger job by now. Guy's a good coach
 
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MurphyVol said:
I wonder if he's overlooked or if he's waiting on a particular job? Or just happy at UK?

He's 52-50 at a place that's been a coaching graveyard. He looks to be heading for his 5th season with 7+ wins. Surprised he hasn't taken/been offered a bigger job by now. Guy's a good coach
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I lived in the Lexington area for 17 years. If you can go 6-6 or better each year and be happy playing 2nd fiddle, you can live well up there. He turned down Fla St and would turn us down too.
 
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lifeisdeep said:
Once again: repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it so. He came much closer to beating Bama than Jones or any other coach in the last thirteen years, and he had a winning record in his first season. Welcome to ignore, truth-bender.
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Butch almost beat Bama too. And won 9 games at least. And beat UGa and Florida. Lane didn’t do anything special at all here or anywhere else. Facts are facts
 
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