Dee Beckwith status?

...It was plain as day that Bailey isn’t where the other two are. The debate is between Milton and Hooker.
I hate to say it, but talent that turns the ball over to the other team via fumbles, interceptions ... is a killer! Look at the Pitt game ... -3 in turnovers ... That is a HUGE hill to climb and that was not on Bailey.
Personally, I do not think Bailey is there yet. I am not lobbying for Bailey to see more playing time.
However, I do think 'limiting turnovers/taking care of the football' is MORE valuable to the team than say ... arm strength or foot speed.
 
Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.

The same can be said for Arkansas.
 
He has raised UK to a level they they have not seen in a long time/. He has done a very good job there even though it has taken a number of years. I hope Tennessee has enough patience to do the same with CJH.

ILooking at Stoops trajectory his first 3yrs their record wasn't great, 2-10, 5-7, 5-7 but he showed signs of progress. Was recruiting better than they normally do. Was very competitive against some good teams like UF, Auburn, and Louisville. Started beating teams like Vandy, SCAR, Missouri, etc.

If CJH can show progress that he's taking it in the right direction overall I do hope the admin and fans will look at the big picture and stick it out with him. Disappointed in the Pitt loss and need to see better recruitment when the investigation is gone but overall have liked what I see from him. Banks looks like a good hire. The O is getting people open and scoring points even though operating at a lower level. Just needs to continue taking steps.
 
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ole Miss may have had bad coaching but was developing players to be SEC caliber. Bad coaches can develop players.

For example, when Dooley was here I was close to one of the offensive lineman that played several years in the NFL. Dooley's staff didn't push S&C development with the players. They would go into weight room and just document that they were lifting so much weight without actually lifting anything. There was no one there most days to monitor what they did.

So you can be bad coaches as far as X and Os, leadership, systems, etc but still develop players in fundamentals and physical requirements.

Hadn't heard that about Dooley. I don't understand how that can happen at this level. Not like he hadn't been around good programs.
 
Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.

Because our recruits have all transferred to other schools. We have to face the fact that this year was never going to be more than a fresh rebuild year. No coach could have come in and done better at this point, with the talent we have on this roster. All the bitching is just years of depression coming out. We should have a better idea of what we have at the end of the year, based on how the games against USCjr, UK, Candy, and Misery.
 
Is that our new benchmark at UT for football? "players that play hard for 60 minutes?" Good grief if that's what our goals and benckmarks are just terminate the program and bulldoze Neyland. We may as well be Tulane.

Don't think he was saying that is the end goal, just a recognition of a step in the right direction from the last staff. Athletics is incredibly mental, ask Saban, and it's tough to be motivated when you're getting your head kicked in every Saturday. Getting buy in from the team is task no.1 for any coach, just listen to a Saban presser where he harps about them paying attention to the scoreboard too much. He did it after the Florida game, it's because they're not completely buying into mental aspect of his philosophy.

Effort is one of the primary ways the underdog can score a big W and that's what Huepel needs to build some momentum on the trail.
 
Because our recruits have all transferred to other schools. We have to face the fact that this year was never going to be more than a fresh rebuild year. No coach could have come in and done better at this point, with the talent we have on this roster. All the bitching is just years of depression coming out. We should have a better idea of what we have at the end of the year, based on how the games against USCjr, UK, Candy, and Misery.

Agree it's a rebuild year. Saying that overall, we shouldn't be completely devoid of talent. It's just not statistically possible. And we did lose a lot of guys, a lot of depth. We gained some guys too. I like most of what we've seen from Huepel so far. Think Banks is doing a great job. Special teams have been fantastic to date. Just don't think we're completely devoid of talent.
 
Swain show has talked about him quite a bit and they seem to think that this staff is still trying to find a spot for him. Honestly a position change is likely his best option to see the field. Makes you wonder if he has ball security issues or if his pad level just sucks as he would seemingly be a great option for short yardage.
 
Paying a coach who has already rebuilt two other programs whatever it takes to get him here, when we have not had a competent coach in twelve years, is not overpaying. It's simply being responsible with the program.
You're assuming too much. Even the "right" hire could fail. Then you have a buyout that bankrupts your AD and are stuck with a coach that might just start working for the payday. There's no guarantee that Saban could turn it around at UT or any other like program. It takes a good coach but it also requires some things to go in your direction.

UT squandered one of those opportunities by hiring Jones. He had legacies and UT homer recruits fall in his lap the first two years.... and he was such an incompetent coach that he never developed them into a championship team or a 10 win team. There was an opportunity to build real momentum killed because he wasn't very good at development or on gameday.
 
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Agree it's a rebuild year. Saying that overall, we shouldn't be completely devoid of talent. It's just not statistically possible. And we did lose a lot of guys, a lot of depth. We gained some guys too. I like most of what we've seen from Huepel so far. Think Banks is doing a great job. Special teams have been fantastic to date. Just don't think we're completely devoid of talent.

We certainly have some talent, but as you eluded to, depth is a major issue. The run game has suffered because of the injuries on the OL already. I think we have the talent to win 5 more games this year, but I also know we are an injury or two away from only winning a couple. Hoping to see some fight and creativity this weekend, regardless of the score. The guys truly seem to want more this year, and I'm happy with that so far. I'll pass more judgment as the season progresses. We played two cupcakes and an average at best Pitt team, with a swiss cheese defense. I want to see this how this team reacts when they know they are out matched.
 
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Is that our new benchmark at UT for football? "players that play hard for 60 minutes?" Good grief if that's what our goals and benckmarks are just terminate the program and bulldoze Neyland. We may as well be Tulane.

When was the last time we saw players giving their all for a full 4 quarters? It's a positive step and we're so far down that they have to start somewhere. I dont think any of us here is happy with the suck or hoping for mediocrity from here on out.
 
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And if those three games had gone amazingly, then many would be crowning Heupel the savior of UT football. So what’s the difference?
We dominated two of them and barely lost the third in a game we played about our C game and had every ACC ref call go against us. We are averaging 42 pts a game and our defense is doing well as well despite being down to 70 players in a rebuilding year. Some people simply don’t know football
 
I agree with what I think is your overall sentiment, i.e., that CJH is being judged unfairly, but we are still 19th on the team talent composite, which takes into account all the attrition you cite. The difference is our talent has not been developed as good as other programs for over a decade, under multiple staffs. I don't know whether Heupel is the guy or not but I do know Heupel can't fix everything to most of our fans' satisfaction in a year or two, indeed the constant turnover of staffs and philosophies have been a big part of the problem.

The other big part of the problem is that the SEC is extremely talented. When we finish with a Top 15 to 20 class, that is usually good for between 6th and 8th in the SEC in any given year. If you are No. 10 nationally in recruiting one year, you've usually still got a minimum of 3-4 conference teams ahead of you. We play those teams. Hell, usually the SEC has 11-12 teams among the nation's most talented 30. Think about it, should a team whose raw talent is 19th, whose seniors are on their 3rd coach and 3rd philosophy really be favored against a team that's 26th that's had the same coach and been in the same system for 5+ years? I say that's unlikely. The more stable 26th team beats the 19th, 9 times out of 10 I think. Especially if the stable program is at home. That's where we are and no amount of wishing is going to result in a quick fix that will erase the effects of the last 10-15 years.

Heupel needs 5 years here, at least, to get this thing tangibly moving in the right direction. Short of some sort of major off the field scandal or a Chad Morris type record, think something like 5-19 over two seasons, Heupel needs to be here for 5 years without question and without being on the hot seat. If we put him on the hot seat for less than that we only compound our problem and lengthen our sojourn through CFB purgatory.

2021 College Football Team Talent Composite
Who is are 3 5 stars? Cade May's, the other Tackle and Bailey?
 
And if those three games had gone amazingly, then many would be crowning Heupel the savior of UT football. So what’s the difference?

Those folks would be just as wrong as the Karens in full panic mode now.

However quick turnarounds are indicative of a couple of things..one is that the new staff is more wisely using the talent left behind than the previous staff. It is also an indicator that the buy-in from the players is there early on.

So far CJH is treading water which is about all a fan should ask of a coach who has inherited what was left behind. If progress isnt apparent in the next couple of years...maybe he aint the one. Personally i do believe he will have us competitive sooner rather than later.
 
Those folks would be just as wrong as the Karens in full panic mode now.

However quick turnarounds are indicative of a couple of things..one is that the new staff is more wisely using the talent left behind than the previous staff. It is also an indicator that the buy-in from the players is there early on.

So far CJH is treading water which is about all a fan should ask of a coach who has inherited what was left behind. If progress isnt apparent in the next couple of years...maybe he aint the one. Personally i do believe he will have us competitive sooner rather than later.

I think we can see some progress. Team buy in. Offensive play calling has been mostly great. WR's getting WIDE open. Defense has played well as they can while clearly shorthanded. I think Banks is doing a good job. Special Teams have been excellent. Have some work to do, will learn a lot this weekend regardless of score.
 
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Issue is apparently he isn't physical enough.

you ever laugh and people have no idea what you are laughing about, and everyone thinks you're crazy? I feel crazy.

the issue is we have 6 plays in the playbook, and they don't include a fullback, or even a two TE set apparently.
 
Agree. Still ask, how has Ole Miss gone from bad to competitive with the same talent that wasn't rated as high or developed. If one school recruits with an average ranking of say 20 and the other of say 35 over 5yrs, both have bad coaching and development, transfers, etc. The school with the higher recruiting average should have equal to if not more talent than the other.
Ole Miss has an NFL quarterback. That makes all the difference in the world. If that kid were on our roster, we would beat Florida. Since we have other quarterbacks on our roster, we will lose by 30.
 

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