Debord's Contract

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oregonvol said:
Wait...what????

Defense was ranked #1 their national championship year. Debord never fielded an offense ranked above 36th in the nation.
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I am sure it has been mentioned many times, but it was Lloyd Carr's offense. He was just given the keys to the car. He didn't purchase the car.
 
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zjcvols said:
The probability of DeBord calling a play is low.

Butch will most likely call the offense while DeBord will be focused on the offensive line.
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I think you're very wrong...high percentage. DeBord will HELP Mahoney as an extra eye on the OL, but you're not going to see Butch with a play sheet yelling into his headset IMO.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I am sure it has been mentioned many times, but it was Lloyd Carr's offense. He was just given the keys to the car. He didn't purchase the car.
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So, he shouldn't even get credit for that then, I guess? So, we've got a 58 year old OC who has been out of football for years and has never actually run his own offense at a major college level?
 
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oregonvol said:
So, he shouldn't even get credit for that then, I guess? So, we've got a 58 year old OC who has been out of football for years and has never actually run his own offense at a major college level?
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He can get credit for calling the plays and the success of the plays, but no he shouldn't get credit for the offense it self. No many OC develop their own offense. The offense that Rich Rodriguez runs is his offense. The Co-OC that he has understands the offense and calls the plays.

Do you even know what the role of an OC is? Or are you on here to annoy everyone else, and be negative?
 
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There is no single "role of the OC." The ways that an OC's duties can be defined are as numerous as there are Head Coaches. Some OCs are the gods of their team's offense, and have absolute power over the organization, training, preparation, playmaking, and playcalling of their squad. Other OCs are mere administrators, with the head coach manufacturing the offensive playbook, overseeing the training and prep, calling plays on Saturday, the whole shebang. And then, the majority of OCs have duties somewhere in between those extremes.

So Titan, go easy on the fellow. :)
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
He can get credit for calling the plays and the success of the plays, but no he shouldn't get credit for the offense it self. No many OC develop their own offense. The offense that Rich Rodriguez runs is his offense. The Co-OC that he has understands the offense and calls the plays.

Do you even know what the role of an OC is? Or are you on here to annoy everyone else, and be negative?
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Then, what is your point? Why do you care who the OC is? Why did you respond to my posting of DeBord's offensive rankings with "it was Lloyd Carr's offense." Well, clearly you don't think DeBord will be running "his" offense here either, so why are you trying to argue? If you're right and OC's don't deserve credit for the offense then I guess DeBord will be running Butch's 83rd ranked offense from last year and you'll be happy with that.

So, since this thread is about the contract, I guess the question remains, why are we paying 500K for someone who won't be (according to your expressed views) at all responsible for our offensive ranking?
 
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SGMVols said:
True. But for someone who hasn't had a successful stint as a coordinator since the Clinton administration...
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Hmm...2007 was the 7th year of GWBush's term. That's 7 years after Clinton left office. And that year a DeBord OC'd Michigan team went 9-4. I would call 9-4 successful.

Not jumping in this debate over pay level, just pointing out a key fact of timing that you missed. Carry on! :)
 
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oregonvol said:
Then, what is your point? Why do you care who the OC is? Why did you respond to my posting of DeBord's offensive rankings with "it was Lloyd Carr's offense." Well, clearly you don't think DeBord will be running "his" offense here either, so why are you trying to argue? If you're right and OC's don't deserve credit for the offense then I guess DeBord will be running Butch's 83rd ranked offense from last year and you'll be happy with that.

So, since this thread is about the contract, I guess the question remains, why are we paying 500K for someone who won't be (according to your expressed views) at all responsible for our offensive ranking?
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Butch's offense is fine with the talent in place, of course you know that right. Did you watch any games last year? Or were you busy being a keyboard commando? With the Offensive Line we put on the field last year, 83rd is pretty darn good. This year should be better if the OL improves.

I like debating you because you are dim and with each word you type, you reinforce that notion.
 
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The more I see and hear the better I like this hire. He is not being overpaid. If he does a good job it's a bargain.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Butch's offense is fine with the talent in place, of course you know that right. Did you watch any games last year? Or were you busy being a keyboard commando? With the Offensive Line we put on the field last year, 83rd is pretty darn good. This year should be better if the OL improves.

I like debating you because you are dim and with each word you type, you reinforce that notion.
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Yeah, quite the debate here. I've cited stats and you come back with excuses and insults.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why you want to pay a guy 500K but not hold him at all responsible for where the offense ranks. Seems rather odd.
 
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oregonvol said:
So, he shouldn't even get credit for that then, I guess? So, we've got a 58 year old OC who has been out of football for years and has never actually run his own offense at a major college level?
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An OC that runs the offense his boss wants? Crazy talk...kind of fits the job description. Carr was paying homage to Bo Schembechler and wanted that on the field...DeBord made it happen...as per his job, and they got a NC out of it. Expect to see what Butch wants on the field...let's see if that's good or meh. (I'm sure you'll weigh in on that). :). Every time you post you sound older and more bitter...maybe oughta ratchet down on the self-hate! :idea:
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, quite the debate here. I've cited stats and you come back with excuses and insults.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why you want to pay a guy 500K but not hold him at all responsible for where the offense ranks. Seems rather odd.
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Who cares what a message board demands? Other than you, of course. :wink2:
 
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oregonvol said:
Yeah, quite the debate here. I've cited stats and you come back with excuses and insults.

I'm still waiting for you to explain to me why you want to pay a guy 500K but not hold him at all responsible for where the offense ranks. Seems rather odd.
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He's getting a base pay of $200K, and additional compensation of $300K (for speaking engagements, consulting, etc, etc, etc..)

That is a bargain price if you ask me. What do you want to pay him? $7.50/hr?

I am starting to question if you are a vol fan. EVERYTHING you write is negative. I know that you were borderline suicidal when we beat Iowa.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
He's getting a base pay of $200K, and additional compensation of $300K (for speaking engagements, consulting, etc, etc, etc..)

That is a bargain price if you ask me. What do you want to pay him? $7.50/hr?

I am starting to question if you are a vol fan. EVERYTHING you write is negative. I know that you were borderline suicidal when we beat Iowa.
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He held on...DESPITE our prayers. :)
 
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That is a steal. He will help our offense more than most to admit. He has already corrected a couple of things to improve Dobbs' footwork which should increases his accuracy and his ability to throw the long ball.
 
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