Debate the Coordinators

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Debate the Coordinators​

Ummmm, is this a mass debate???
 
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FollowTheLeader said:
Banks has had really good dlines everywhere he's been as DC. Coach Garner has seen his best statistically good dline at TN, so I'd say Garner has had success because of Banks.
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That’s a funny one. No disrespect, but that take is far-fetched, unless you just haven’t paid attention to what’s going on with this position group.
 
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Lekvolrrah said:
Lack of in game adjustments was magnified this year. Needs to take the next step.
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Limited number plays in the playbook was a disaster. However, that may have been the maximum for an inexperienced QB , WR who could not get open and a beat up Oline.
 
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Have read a lot of opinions about the O this season. Starting to believe that Hype was heavy using the running game out of necessity because there was no good connection between Nico and receivers and the O line was only good run at blocking. Half the receiving corp played injured most of the season.

I expect next season to be different. The bailout of the receiver group has gotten Hypes attention.
 
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My only concern with Banks is he seems to refuse to change anything during the game when things aren’t working. Georgia and Ohio St. had all day to throw the ball because he refused to rush more than the 3 or 4 linemen. No blitzes, no unique looks to throw them off, no nothing. Just rush 4 the whole game and let those teams throw for 400 yards each.
 
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I guess I just don't get the people who want Banks gone. Defense has improved every single year. Is it perfect? No. But why do people just assume we can "easily" get a better coordinator than a guy who just had a top 10 defense?

This fanbase is passionate, but there's a lot of dumb in it.
 
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UTwild82 said:
I guess I just don't get the people who want Banks gone. Defense has improved every single year. Is it perfect? No. But why do people just assume we can "easily" get a better coordinator than a guy who just had a top 10 defense?

This fanbase is passionate, but there's a lot of dumb in it.
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Banks again is ok not a defense genius by any means. Him having garner here is super beneficial for him. His position group is safety and recruiting there is not very good. So say what you want he is ok BUT not great
 
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UTwick said:
History is hard for some.
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Explain without revision, pilpul or semantics (e.g. """NOTLKs SA leaders""", post 1944 plot, dismissing some he disagreed with, etc)with a focus on Stalin as chief comparison and examples of de facto systematic liquidation, or how keeping dissenters and undermining generals was a good thing.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think honestly if Heupel didn’t think it was working out he would demote him. Heupel calls most of the offense. The whole approach to how we play offense was modified our skill players outside rb are a lot worse. Idk if you get a fair assessment until you fix that Oline.
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Just my opinion, going into uear 5 we should not be fixing the oline. Coaching, recruiting on oline something is missing
 
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MADISONGAVOL said:
Just my opinion, going into uear 5 we should not be fixing the oline. Coaching, recruiting on oline something is missing
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Just your opinion isn’t looking at the fact that this place was a dumpster fire when Heupel got here. Takes a couple of years to put out the fire. Oline is the position you’re going to feel negative recruiting the worst for several reasons.
 
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Vawlk Tuah said:
Our DC has systematically improved year over year and our OC has systematically gotten worse year over year. Banks is the last one I want to leave outside of Heupel and Rodney. What are the thoughts on the board? I want Hazle demoted more than losing Banks.
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I am going to support whoever CJH puts out there. Takes a level of combined ignorance and arrogance to take a position without being in the meetings, at practices, and on the headsets during games.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I think honestly if Heupel didn’t think it was working out he would demote him. Heupel calls most of the offense. The whole approach to how we play offense was modified our skill players outside rb are a lot worse. Idk if you get a fair assessment until you fix that Oline.
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Agree....this is year 3 for me saying fix the OL, #1. It's been, IMO, the weakest group consistently to date. Ironic considering CJH recognition for his offense. So fix it, finally.
 
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nomads-11 said:
Agree....this is year 3 for me saying fix the OL, #1. It's been, IMO, the weakest group consistently to date. Ironic considering CJH recognition for his offense. So fix it, finally.
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Definitely agree. I think for several reasons they haven’t been able to recruit the kind of Oline they need to. Had to bandaid the group via portal. It’s imo going to be much better next year.
 
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As far as the offense goes, AP and Hubbs have talked quite a bit about it. Their take is in 2021 and 2022, teams played us different. Now they aren’t letting us get the huge plays down the field. Basically, it’s up to Heupel to come up with better scheme to adapt to what defenses are doing.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
As far as the offense goes, AP and Hubbs have talked quite a bit about it. Their take is in 2021 and 2022, teams played us different. Now they aren’t letting us get the huge plays down the field. Basically, it’s up to Heupel to come up with better scheme to adapt to what defenses are doing.
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Yeah, I think we attacked the middle of the field a little more with Golesh. Velus and Hyatt blowing up his Jr year probably made that a lot easier to do.
 
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Majors said:
You do understand that Hazle is OC in name only. He’s eyes in the sky for Heupel who is calling plays and communicating with the Nico.
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Hooker made a huge jump his second year on the field.

Milton just had one year on the field really.

This was Nico’s first year in the field also.

I’ll wait till next year to see if Nico has as big of a jump. And also if he gets Ears who can separate and an OL that will pass protect.
 
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Vawlk Tuah said:
Our DC has systematically improved year over year and our OC has systematically gotten worse year over year. Banks is the last one I want to leave outside of Heupel and Rodney. What are the thoughts on the board? I want Hazle demoted more than losing Banks.
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Don't be fooled. Heupel IS the OC for all intents and purposes. Frankly, Nico just wasn't as good as everyone hoped. He locks in on one receiver or area of the field and misses wide open guys frequently. I'm not saying that there aren't other guys who could have helped more but Hooker at the controls of this offense would have been a video game.

No doubt Banks has improved the depth and talent while developing players. The problem is that he gets outcoached in game too often. I'm no candidate for the job by a long stretch but I knew what was coming from OSU after the first couple of drives. They did the same things over and over. He didn't change up the DL calls. He didn't get creative with blitzes. He didn't even play extra coverage underneath. He just laid there and took it.

Every coach has strengths and weaknesses. His ceiling seems to be determined by gameplanning, playcalling, and adjustments.
 
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FranklinVFL said:
Hooker made a huge jump his second year on the field.

Milton just had one year on the field really.

This was Nico’s first year in the field also.

I’ll wait till next year to see if Nico has as big of a jump. And also if he gets Ears who can separate and an OL that will pass protect.
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Also Hooker was a RS JR in 2021 and a RS SR in 2022.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Definitely agree. I think for several reasons they haven’t been able to recruit the kind of Oline they need to. Had to bandaid the group via portal. It’s imo going to be much better next year.
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I really hope so. It'll actually make up the needed difference in a few ways.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
As far as the offense goes, AP and Hubbs have talked quite a bit about it. Their take is in 2021 and 2022, teams played us different. Now they aren’t letting us get the huge plays down the field. Basically, it’s up to Heupel to come up with better scheme to adapt to what defenses are doing.
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This is true. We see a lot of palms, cover two and cover four now eagled fronts. In 21/22 we saw a lot more one high either as cover six or three. Saban and Kirby used to do a lot of this especially with their route matching zone concepts. The NFL ran predominantly C3 as a base for most of 2021/22 and began changing after giving up too many quick scores. By the time offenses get to the red zone, it takes great execution or great running to score. That’s why rushing averages are way up in the NFL and why field goals were kicked in a much higher number especially at the beginning of the season: more two high to prevent cheap scores. Hyatt abused this and was great at running on the seams and losing defenders on double deep switch routes.
 
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