Death and Harm

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When I die, I cease to exist. If I don't exist, I can't be harmed. That is, existence is a necessary condition of being harmed.

So, if I'm alive at moment one and dead at moment two such that there are no moments between moment one and moment two, at what moment does the harm occur?
 
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therealUT said:
When I die, I cease to exist. If I don't exist, I can't be harmed. That is, existence is a necessary condition of being harmed.

So, if I'm alive at moment one and dead at moment two such that there are no moments between moment one and moment two, at what moment does the harm occur?
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You've yet to stipulate that any harm occurred.
 
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therealUT said:
When I die, I cease to exist. If I don't exist, I can't be harmed. That is, existence is a necessary condition of being harmed.

So, if I'm alive at moment one and dead at moment two such that there are no moments between moment one and moment two, at what moment does the harm occur?
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depends on the how of you dying. Heart stops beating/blood stops flowing. brain electrical signatures disappear. organs stop functions in general. each one of those would be considered harm outside of death, or at least I would define each one individually harm, even a collection of them. why does it all happening at once mean that none of it matters.

if you are again being obtuse about being dead and past the point of it mattering, why do we punish murder?
 
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LouderVol said:
depends on the how of you dying. Heart stops beating/blood stops flowing. brain electrical signatures disappear. organs stop functions in general. each one of those would be considered harm outside of death, or at least I would define each one individually harm, even a collection of them. why does it all happening at once mean that none of it matters.

if you are again being obtuse about being dead and past the point of it mattering, why do we punish murder?
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So, the harm of death comes prior to the actual death? Weird.
 
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therealUT said:
When I die, I cease to exist. If I don't exist, I can't be harmed. That is, existence is a necessary condition of being harmed.

So, if I'm alive at moment one and dead at moment two such that there are no moments between moment one and moment two, at what moment does the harm occur?
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This just in, decapitation does no harm.
 
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LouderVol said:
this. if you wanted an opinion of mine on a specific OT from the thread, you could have called me out specifically.
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You are vain, aren't you? I wanted the thoughts of many. As for your specific answer, I didn't care for it, since you have trouble answering any questions posed to you.

When you can give a clear answer to the question I have repeatedly asked you in the other thread, I'll consider asking you this one.
 
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37L1 said:
Depends on what the meaning of "moment" is.
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It doesn't. All we really have to ask is whether there can be the harm of death before one is dead, after one is dead, or between existence and non-existence, in which there is no moment that passes.
 
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therealUT said:
You are vain, aren't you? I wanted the thoughts of many. As for your specific answer, I didn't care for it, since you have trouble answering any questions posed to you.

When you can give a clear answer to the question I have repeatedly asked you in the other thread, I'll consider asking you this one.
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we were having this very discussion in another thread. you make reference to an "other" to a third party. yeah real stretch of my vanity to connect the dots.

none of that said to say I am not vain. I just prefer the term paranoid.
 
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therealUT said:
It doesn't. All we really have to ask is whether there can be the harm of death before one is dead, after one is dead, or between existence and non-existence, in which there is no moment that passes.
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What's the point? Esoteric purposes only? Because it has no application in real world terms unless one existed for more than a "moment" before the moment between life and death, or in your terms, existence and non-existence.
 
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37L1 said:
What's the point? Esoteric purposes only? Because it has no application in real world terms unless one existed for more than a "moment" before the moment between life and death, or in your terms, existence and non-existence.
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The point is that killing someone isn't harming them. Thus, the wrongness must be located outside of the concept of harm to them.
 
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therealUT said:
The point is that killing someone isn't harming them. Thus, the wrongness must be located outside of the concept of harm to them.
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The point is, if they existed before your moment in question, they have the right to exist and if someone or something infringed upon that right then it did cause them "harm" in the legal sense as well as the physical, not to mention any family, business, etc. they may have had at the "moment" they ceased to exist.
 
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37L1 said:
The point is, if they existed before your moment in question, they have the right to exist and if someone or something infringed upon that right then it did cause them "harm" in the legal sense as well as the physical, not to mention any family, business, etc. they may have had at the "moment" they ceased to exist.
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Okay, at what point is the person harmed?
 
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therealUT said:
Okay, at what point is the person harmed?
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When the person's right to exist is ended by another entity without that person's consent.

How would you feel about this esoteric discussion, if it wasn't esoteric but real? How about I come over to where you are and make you cease to exist, no harm, or pun, intended.

This is ridiculous.
 
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