Deal With It

#51
#51
BanditVol said:
No one with a lick of sense would count the first year.

But....oh yeah! This is a message board for sports. Sense is not in good supply.

:eek:lol:
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Only a loser with a loser mentality would allow any year to be equated a "throwaway year" or "year zero".

You must love Dooley.
 
#53
#53
Nashvegas31 said:
Nobody is John wooden.

Mercer is no joke. Beat Duke if you don't recall. The Michigan game said it all to me. I couldn't believe we almost won that game. That was all heart driven into them by Coach Martin toget back in that game. Michigan is outstanding team.

I was a Cuonzo detractor but he proved to me he can coach but the kids just took a while to buy into his style to play. Once they did it became evident
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Nailed it with this post.:good!:
 
#54
#54
VolArmy74 said:
Kinda of a terrible OP since Martin was in complete control of his staying or going at this point. He's the one that went and interviewed for another job. That's usually not really celebrated by a fanbase, but then again we're definitely unique in how we deal with things.
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nah man, Martin is VFL.

VFL all the way! Fans should embrace him and his glowing personality and beg him for forgiveness because as you know, there was a petition that was going around and it hurt his feelings pretty bad. Sure glad he had almost $4million in salary in the bank. Not sure he'd made it through the heartache VN has put him through if he didn't have that.
 
#55
#55
JoeVols said:
How are we unique, exactly? We expect coaches to perform and when they don't, we don't like it. Some fans aren't swayed by beating umass and mercer, following 2.9 years of mediocrity. It's not insanity.
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I'm talking about people on here partying like it's 1999 because he very publicly interviewed for another job and then turned them down.

Usually fanbases get upset when their coach goes off to flirt with other jobs, especially to the point of an in-person interview.

This one celebrated it. One half because it was hoped he'd take the job, the other half because in their mind it proves something beyond what's been on displayed on the court and they want to stick it to the first group of fans.
 
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#56
#56
bleedingTNorange said:
I've seen your track record on predictions....I now feel very good about the likelihood of Stokes returning.
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He wanted to leave last year, I doubt he wants to see how well he can handle triple teams for. Thirty game stretch, I'm sure that'll help his already so-so draft stock.
 
#57
#57
GahLee said:
He wanted to leave. The "pulled his name from the hat" bull is just to save face.

They could have offered him less money then he makes here and he would have left, they're going for Howland.
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You realize Howland isn't their target anymore, right?
 
#58
#58
SCowlsVOL said:
This is one hell of a sad fanbase. I don't see how some of you call yourselves UT fans.
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I don't know how you call yourself a UT fan by accepting mediocrity. You should demand better from UT. No reason with our facilities and fan base that UT basketball isn't a NCAA team EVERY year, regardless of who's coach.
 
#59
#59
VolArmy74 said:
Kinda of a terrible OP since Martin was in complete control of his staying or going at this point. He's the one that went and interviewed for another job. That's usually not really celebrated by a fanbase, but then again we're definitely unique in how we deal with things.
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Yeah, it's pretty "terrible" to gain leverage and be rewarded for your success. If Cuonzo had intentions of leaving Knoxville, he simply would have. I hope this was easy enough for you to interpret?
 
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GahLee said:
There wasn't anything remarkable about UT's tourney run. He's an average coach as it stands. Considering it's year 6 for him as a coach, it's safe to assume he's about tapped out on potential.
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Riigggghttt..did you know Billy Donovan was barely above 500 in his first two years at UF, then made the sweet 16 in his third?


Given that UF was his second stop, and he had two years at another school prior to that, do you think he was "tapped out on potential"? Should Florida have celebrated him leaving after making the Sweet 16, had he chosen to do so?
 
#62
#62
Volstylexx said:
I don't know how you call yourself a UT fan by accepting mediocrity. You should demand better from UT. No reason with our facilities and fan base that UT basketball isn't a NCAA team EVERY year, regardless of who's coach.
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Yeh and basically wishing bad on your own team is just a great way of showing how big of a fan that you actually are.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm talking about people on here partying like it's 1999 because he very publicly interviewed for another job and then turned them down.

Usually fanbases get upset when their coach goes off to flirt with other jobs, especially to the point of an in-person interview.

This one celebrated it. One half because it was hoped he'd take the job, the other half because in their mind it proves something beyond what's been on displayed on the court and they want to stick it to the first group of fans.
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He didn't turn them down.
 
#66
#66
Shaun1985 said:
DA... I said giving you grief over changing your avy since you didn't support Martin...that would mean CHANGING it from the Martin one you have now to something else? It doesn't matter though because our neighborhood "expert" would argue with Jesus himself if it made you look right.
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Once again...WRONG!

You mad bruh?
 
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#68
I'm also very baffled that many of you who are whooping it up over this have said on this very board that you don't think Martin is the long term solution, just that you want to give him another year or two to see if he's for sure going to fail as much as you expect.

At this point, you better hope you're wrong. I hope I am. This just went from UT getting paid a 1.3 million dollar sum towards a new coach, to having to hire someone while paying a buyout if it doesn't work.
 
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#70
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D.C. Vol said:
Yeah, it's pretty "terrible" to gain leverage and be rewarded for your success. If Cuonzo had intentions of leaving Knoxville, he simply would have. I hope this was easy enough for you to interpret?
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The only thing I give credit to ZO for that he is coming back, knowing that if he's not successful here, fans will turn on him. That does take guts and he alone will responsible for the outcome. Would have been much easier for him to take another job where he would have 2 years minimum to "build the foundation" before fans started rumbling.

UT fans will quickly forget this year's sweet 16 run if next year is a train wreck. I give him respect for staying, knowing that.
 
#72
#72
bleedingTNorange said:
Oh? There's no D1 school that would take Martin?

Lmao, please keep talking, this is pure gold.
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Is very D-1 school looking for a coach? I was unaware. He wanted the job, he didn't get it. Now he's trying to save face. It's natural and I don't blame him.
 
#73
#73
GahLee said:
Only a loser with a loser mentality would allow any year to be equated a "throwaway year" or "year zero".

You must love Dooley.
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No, my point is that you have to stick your head way up your arse and ignore facts to have any expectations about the first year. Two All SEC players quit, and the rest were demoralized.

My point is that anyone expecting 20 or more wins the first year wasn't very bright. A loser, in other words. :)
 
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#75
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VolArmy74 said:
I'm also very baffled that many of you who are whooping it up over this have said on this very board that you don't think Martin is the long term solution, just that you want to give him another year or two to see if he's for sure going to fail as much as you expect.

At this point, you better hope you're wrong. I hope I am. This just went from UT getting paid a 1.3 million dollar sum towards a new coach, to having to hire someone while paying a buyout if it doesn't work.
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It really could have worked to our favor but then again, when is the last time anything significantly good happened to any UT team recently.
 
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