Davenport Fired

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volfannbama said:
Not sure why you keep saying recruiting doesn't matter. Im not sure how i dont follow it translates to it doesnt matter. I dont follow means i dont know who the kids are or what they do in high school. I usually dont know many commits until nsd and even then the only things i learn about them is what i hear on the radio. So no, i dont follow it, doesnt mean it doesnt matter.

If thats your way of proving some point then great.
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Yeah. I think you’re lying about it. You knew the impact of Wanya Morris committing and pretended that have reduced facilities...good sell job. :shades:
 
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volfannbama said:
Yeah, you lost me when you said i didnt say frost then you go on talking about mullen. Its cool, i get that admitting i was right will hurt your ecred. So we will just keep it between us
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On a message board. :lol: So you’re applying the dumb recruiting schtick to this also? :) Thought you posted Mullen and was too lazy to go back. I wronged you. Bask in the urine warm flow of e-cred. :huggy:
 
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butchna said:
Red state. Not a red CAMPUS! Sister sent my niece there perfectly lucid. Graduated as a fire breathing tree embracing liberal.
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It's to be expected if you play in the liberal arts dept, communications, and a few other places. The only place to keep your sanity in a university is where it's difficult to teach anything except hard fact - like engineering without the environmentalists - or medicine without psychs and political ethicists ... pretty much anything not in liberal claws.
 
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samanderson said:
Thanks, JP. I taught English at UT Martin for 38 years. I never had an agenda to push any manner of viewing things on my students other than critical thinking and writing skills. I guess that's' because I am all over the spectrum when it comes to my politics.

Do university professors try to instill ideology into their students? In my experience, I never saw much of this happening. There would be an electric personality with rock star appeal end up on faculty from time to time, but that would run it's course pretty quickly.

We university and college professors take a lot of abuse on forums like this, but we don't deserve it. What we do is not a job you can do without without passion.
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I really respect what you do, Sam. And appreciate you, as well.

I've heard many university humanities departments are eaten up with post-modernism and identity politics--women's studies, __[insert religion here]__ studies, __[insert ethnicity here]__ studies, __[insert other identity group here]__ studies. But it sounds like that's not your experience at UT-M. I'm thrilled to hear it.

Is this gibberish, I'm speaking? Is this completely different from everything you know, not just about UT-Martin but all other universities as well?
 
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samanderson said:
Thanks, JP. I taught English at UT Martin for 38 years. I never had an agenda to push any manner of viewing things on my students other than critical thinking and writing skills. I guess that's' because I am all over the spectrum when it comes to my politics.

Do university professors try to instill ideology into their students? In my experience, I never saw much of this happening. There would be an electric personality with rock star appeal end up on faculty from time to time, but that would run it's course pretty quickly.

We university and college professors take a lot of abuse on forums like this, but we don't deserve it. What we do is not a job you can do without without passion.
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One need look no further than the pronoun xe to say sorry, your experience isn't representative of UTK campus life.
 
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SIAP but the email that I got from "Joe" said she had been on the hot seat since last April. What did she do in April to screw up and be put on a PIP?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
I know, brother. My daughters are coming out of Vanderbilt literally brainwashed on social, political, and economic issues. Colleges these days....
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OMIGOD another viewpoint!!! the humanity!

perhaps their teachers are opening their eyes to reality, better yet perhaps they reached that world view on their own?
 
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Henry Letham said:
Step One: Create a conflict or problem where none existed before. Make this problem so compelling that others will want to see it solved.

Step Two: Use mainstream media to broadcast and publicize the problem. Escalate its importance and play to the emotions of people to the point where they become uncomfortable enough to clamor for a solution.

Step Three: Get what you want by providing that solution and getting everyone on board with it.

This solution is one the public never dreamed it needed until the conditioning of the first two steps was implemented. Most often the outcome is that people think something great has been done for them, when in fact something harmful has been done to them.
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Alinsky defined.
 
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k-town_king said:
UTK doesn't indoctrinate anyone. Being exposed to new cultures and becoming educated makes most people more liberal in their ideas.
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jackcrevol said:
OMIGOD another viewpoint!!! the humanity!

perhaps their teachers are opening their eyes to reality, better yet perhaps they reached that world view on their own?
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There is, of course, a difference between exposure to a world of new ideas, and being brainwashed (or indoctrinated, if we prefer the euphemism) with certain key ideas.

And there are tell-tale signs of the latter. If you're trying to have a discussion with someone and they repeatedly refuse to even listen to a contradictory opinion, that's a sign. If they say things like, "they said you'd say that," that's a sign.

The key difference between exposure to new ideas and brainwashing is Step 2: erecting an intellectual "wall" around the idea so that it can not be questioned. It's a deliberate thing, to do that.

To highlight the difference:

My daughters were exposed to socialism, and naively believe it might be a great idea. They'll learn different over time. They'll discover how communism failed in the Soviet Union and other places, and will come to realize that socialism suffers the same fatal flaw (the imperfect nature of humanity). Importantly, they're open to discussing the merits of socialism versus capitalism, open to testing what they know. That's not brainwashing.

But on other subjects, particularly identity politics, they shut down. They visibly get uncomfortable (fidgeting, looking around like for an escape hatch). They refuse to talk about the subject, at all. If you talk about it anyway, they get verbally aggressive. They have, more than once, said, "they said you'd say that." That's the "wall" around the idea. That's brainwashing.

I'm not saying brainwashing happens at UT-K. I've no way of knowing. But I know for certain that it happens at Vandy.
 
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KBVol said:
It absolutely does.

When she was forced to fire Currie after that debacle, after the fan backlash, she had no choice but to turn to Phil.....there were already people beginning to look at her/ask questions about her role in the fiasco....she couldn’t afford to do anything else but turn to Fulmer, which immediately calmed and pleased the fanbase and the heat was off her from that angle, at that time.

Question now is, did she ultimately wind up getting Haslam’d in the end, did they get their revenge here 5 months later? Is her firing today connected? We don’t know.

But at the time, last December? Oh hell yes, she did a quick 180 by turning to Phil, something she didn’t even consider, even refused to do by announcing her “sitting power 5 AD” criteria 9-10 months earlier....but she knew she had to drop the pretense of that criteria and hire Phil to save her ass, there’s zero doubt about that.
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So she hired him to “save her ass” and got fired. Nah...still doesn’t pass muster, buddy. I know when you get a narrative, you clamp down like a pit bull and nothing’s pretty afterwards. Hold on to what you need to believe...mine’s otherwise. Brave lil tough lady with more ball than anyone in this garbage system. :hi:
 
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jackcrevol said:
OMIGOD another viewpoint!!! the humanity!

perhaps their teachers are opening their eyes to reality, better yet perhaps they reached that world view on their own?
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Try not to let it get you so rattled.
 
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Did anyone else get this? And once again, SIAP.

UT Knoxville Leadership Change
I am disappointed to have to tell you that earlier today, I informed Dr. Beverly Davenport of my decision to terminate her administrative appointment as chancellor of the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, effective immediately. She will assume her faculty appointment in the College of Communication and Information on a full-time basis on July 1.

My responsibility as UT president is to ensure the success of every campus, beginning with the leadership of every campus. A great deal is at stake in these hires, including and especially at the flagship campus, given its importance to fulfilling the UT system mission and to that mission's impact on the lives of all Tennesseans.

Since April of last year, Dr. Davenport and I have had multiple meetings in which I laid out performance expectations and concerns, attempted to assist and coach her, and suggested she seek advice from other experienced leaders. Unfortunately, my concerns about her performance have not not been resolved. As the person who selected Dr. Davenport to lead the flagship campus, I am taking responsibility to do what is in the best interest of the University by making the leadership change.

An interim will be named soon.

All the best,
Joe
The University of Tennessee | Office of the President
831 Andy Holt Tower | Knoxville, TN 37996
Phone: 865.974.8184 | Email: utalk@tennessee.edu
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How can you justify saying CJP is better than Frost or Kelly? I mean I like Pruitt, but as a HC, he hasnt proven a single thing yet. Frost and Kelly have.
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I haven’t coronated Pruitt as a better HC...stated that’s an unknown. He’s a better hire because he recruits and Kelly sucks at it and Frost was always going to Nebraska. Hope that helps with the outrage. :salute:
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
How can you justify saying CJP is better than Frost or Kelly? I mean I like Pruitt, but as a HC, he hasnt proven a single thing yet. Frost and Kelly have.
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Kelly = NCAA trouble
Frost = NEVER coming here

Therefore: Pruitt better than either.

Simple math really.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Thanks, Sam, I appreciate it.

And you're absolutely right, there's plenty of brainwashing ("mental conditioning") in militaries, world wide. I remember running down Ardennes street on Fort Bragg in the 80's, singing about how I want to kill Daniel Ortega (Nicaragua communist dictator) and Manuel Noreiga (Panama thug voodoo dictator). Which in retrospect is pretty macabre, but at the time made perfect sense to all of us in formation. :)

So when I tell the girls they were brainwashed, I literally mean it. Brainwashing is simple: teach someone an important idea, and then build a wall around that idea so that the person who's brainwashed will refuse to listen to criticism of the idea, or other perspectives.

As you point out, people get brainwashed all the time. You just don't normally expect universities to be in that business. They're supposed to be about freely questioning everything, always open to different ideas.

That's not where the girls are right now, unfortunately. They'll grow out of it, I think. It'll just take time.


p.s. Both Hitler and Stalin were all about identity politics. The "we" and the "they," failing to respect people for their individual traits but instead judging them--condemning them--for what group they belonged to. Our universities are in danger of taking us down this same path today.

I'm all for enlightenment and inclusiveness and accepting people for who they are. That's not my complaint about the girls' education, at all. Just wish they hadn't picked up the identity politics. I think you understand what I mean, right?
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Think tenured libs and Ministry of Propaganda. History and so many subjects are open to distortion just by what is included and what is excluded and the slant that goes with the presentation. Something like appeasement can always be put in a good light if you gloss over the consequences, and for kids today WW2 is something they never heard about from parents and probably even grandparents who lived through it.
 
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Kelly would have been a terrible fit here, as he would have at Florida. He knew this and that is one reason he waited for UCLA to open.

And I don't believe for a minute that he was ever strongly considered here either.
 
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Theshag said:
If Haslam wants to treat UT like the Browns south, I can be as big a fan of UT as I am of the Browns. I'm a fan of college ball because the teams are generally not little fiefdoms run by rich narcissists.

I grew up within walking distance of UT, but there are other college teams.
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not div 1 teams. there's only Tennessee.

There's simply just no CFB. if it stops becoming enjoyable, then, there are other hobbys or things to do.
 
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If I remember correctly, there were significant concerns when she came to UT that she was just an attempt to #metoo with a woman in charge so as to mitigate UT's recent Title IX questions. There were rumors at the time that she was more the social justice warrior type at her previous school. If that is true and she pushed too hard, too often, that could have alienated a number of people. I must say, some of the VERY progressive stuff coming out of UT is a shock to me and I am sad that the institution I remember seems to have lost the culture war.
 
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