Dave Hart's comments from some guys on VQ.

#202
#202
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.

tomq_123 said:
You assume that Dooley was hired to only win football games. However, I content that he was hired for the many reasons (including but not limited to);

1. Bring stability to a very unstable situation after Kiffin left after just 1 year (he has done so).

2. Recruit, recruit, recruit (he has done well so far with 2 top 15 classes, 1 Kiffin's that he held together and another top 15 possibly top 10 to come).

3. Get the program past the NCAA investigations (he has done that also).

4. Win football games (until Kentucky last weekend he has won every game he was supposed to win.).

You may not like him and you may think he is the worst football coach ever. However, up to this point he has done most things he needs to be doing to get the program back on top. Firing him now would only put UT back a couple more years in that process. JMO
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tomq_123 said:
You assume that Dooley was hired to only win football games. However, I content that he was hired for the many reasons (including but not limited to);

1. Bring stability to a very unstable situation after Kiffin left after just 1 year (he has done so).

2. Recruit, recruit, recruit (he has done well so far with 2 top 15 classes, 1 Kiffin's that he held together and another top 15 possibly top 10 to come).

3. Get the program past the NCAA investigations (he has done that also).

4. Win football games (until Kentucky last weekend he has won every game he was supposed to win.).

You may not like him and you may think he is the worst football coach ever. However, up to this point he has done most things he needs to be doing to get the program back on top. Firing him now would only put UT back a couple more years in that process. JMO
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Let's cut the BS. He was hired for the same reason Fulmer was fired. Because we need to win football games, go to bowls, and national championships which brings the school money.
 
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If he has another miserable year no way he gets 2 more years after that. Im calling bs, I talked to hart and he said if Dooley doesn't win 8 regular season games next year he's gonna take a big **** on his car hood see I can do it to
 
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tomq_123 said:
You assume that Dooley was hired to only win football games. However, I content that he was hired for the many reasons (including but not limited to);

1. Bring stability to a very unstable situation after Kiffin left after just 1 year (he has done so).

2. Recruit, recruit, recruit (he has done well so far with 2 top 15 classes, 1 Kiffin's that he held together and another top 15 possibly top 10 to come).

3. Get the program past the NCAA investigations (he has done that also).

4. Win football games (until Kentucky last weekend he has won every game he was supposed to win.).

You may not like him and you may think he is the worst football coach ever. However, up to this point he has done most things he needs to be doing to get the program back on top. Firing him now would only put UT back a couple more years in that process. JMO
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And which of those things was the top priority. And since when is winning only the games you are supposed to win, and none of the toss-ups, an acceptable outcome?
 
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Cpatter4 said:
Let's cut the BS. He was hired for the same reason Fulmer was fired. Because we need to win football games, go to bowls, and national championships which brings the school money.
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I don't think Fulmer's firing was so cut and dry. Yes, he lost games. However, he also let things get very lax (poor recruiting, players getting into trouble, etc..). Bad publicity doesn't look good for an institution like UT. Also, I'm not exactly convinced he had a plan to turn things around which is probably the reason he did get fired.

Dooley inherited a huge mess, both with the lack of quality and experienced players, and with the overall structure within the program. But I think he has a plan to get out of that mess, and will do so given the chance.
 
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Orange Blazer said:
Not as funny as the people wanting Dooley to fail next year so he will be fired. That's hilarious.
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Who wants him to fail? I want him to win the National Championship. Realistically, he is an awful coach who will probably top out at 7 games and get fired. I am okay with the fired part.
 
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tomq_123 said:
I don't think Fulmer's firing was so cut and dry. Yes, he lost games. However, he also let things get very lax (poor recruiting, players getting into trouble, etc..). Bad publicity doesn't look good for an institution like UT. Also, I'm not exactly convinced he had a plan to turn things around which is probably the reason he did get fired.

Dooley inherited a huge mess, both with the lack of quality and experienced players, and with the overall structure within the program. But I think he has a plan to get out of that mess, and will do so given the chance.
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Does that plan involve talking crap about the team in public until a good number of them hate his guts?
 
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emainvol said:
And which of those things was the top priority. And since when is winning only the games you are supposed to win, and none of the toss-ups, an acceptable outcome?
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In the long run winning lots of games will be the only acceptable outcome. However, looking at it within the context of where the program was when Dooley arrived I think it's about what you could expect.

This isn't Pro football (or Auburn) where you can go out and buy yourself a top-notch team. Especially in this case with the lack of players, let alone quality and experienced players it's going to a few (3-4) recruiting cycles. I would have assumed that Dooley would have told this to Hamilton (and Hart) when he was hired.

If he doesn't show improvement after next year and 2013 I would assume they (they meaning the powers that be at UT aka Haslam) will probably make a coaching change.

However, I do think he will get it done next year and in 2013.
 
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emainvol said:
Does that plan involve talking crap about the team in public until a good number of them hate his guts?
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What has he said that wasn't true? Personally, I don't think he should talk bad about his players in public and I wish that he wouldn't. However, the case could be made that making them mad will either make them better or force them to leave. In either case, it might be a win/win for him. IDK
 
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I'm having a hard time believing people can be this ignorant. So you want Hart to come out and say if Dooley doesn't win x amount of games next year hes fired? Makes a lot of sense, so he goes into recruits homes the next two months and says to parents, well I know I'll be here next year for your son but after that I just don't know. "Well ok coach, sounds great, sign us up" . My god, any AD at any school has to at least ACT like hes got every intention of keeping the coach around for the next four years or your screwed in recruiting. Forgive me for not reading 15 pages to see if anyone in this thread used common sense but most of what I've read, I don't see any. Wow, get over the frustration of how bad out team sucks and use some common freakin sense.
 
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#219
Sounds like our AD is a smarta** just like Dooley. When/If Dooley has a senior laden team they will finish 7-5 or 6-6. Glad to know our AD is on the excuse train. Dooley can't coach that's the problem. Nobody is expecting miracles, the fanbase has set the bar as low as anytime in the modern history of Tennessee football. It has nothing to do with the W's and L's at this point. Two years is plenty of time to see that Dooley cannot motivate, lacks leadership and coaching ability.
 
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tomq_123 said:
What has he said that wasn't true? Personally, I don't think he should talk bad about his players in public and I wish that he wouldn't. However, the case could be made that making them mad will either make them better or force them to leave. In either case, it might be a win/win for him. IDK
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Dooley doesn't do it for motivation he does it because that's just then way he does things. Throwing Bray under the bus at halftime of the KY game wasn't a motivational tool. He should do his talking in the lockerroom and by putting Bray's a** on the bench if he's not happy. What Dooley does is called passing the buck and it's a horrible quality for a HC to have.
 
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tomq_123 said:
What has he said that wasn't true? Personally, I don't think he should talk bad about his players in public and I wish that he wouldn't. However, the case could be made that making them mad will either make them better or force them to leave. In either case, it might be a win/win for him. IDK
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So the fans have to be positive about Dooley and the players, but Dooley gets free reign to talk **** about the players and throw them under the bus every time he gets the chance.

By extension, and taking from some of the other ridiculous crap that has been posted in the last few days, what Dooley says about the program to the media has less of an effect on recruiting than what I say on a message board.

It's so clear now.

And I agree that he shouldn't do it, but this is the gist of what I am getting from a lot of folks on this particular subject right now
 
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Orange Blazer said:
Dooley and the ENTIRE STAFF has the full support of...

AD Hart and the power-boosters...per Hart himself.
Hart said he recognizes that Dooley has been in a very difficult position and that this was YEAR 1...and that Dooley will get 3 more years.
Best thing he said: "its funny how coaches suddenly become great coaches when they have a senior laden team".
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i call bs on that why would Hart specify the number of year. bunch of crap. good night.
 
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#223
You guys amaze me. Thank God none of you run any major corporations or are in positions of authority/decision making.

Dooley should get 2-3 more years. He will get 2-3 more and deserves too. He has the makings of a great coach. If Hart did say this, which I doubt, it's the right call.

How long does it take to turn a ship the size of UT football that was nearly beached to begin with?

1-2 seasons? Forget it. This program is not going to get some "big fish" and hell, I don't want someone's leftovers either.

I said this before and will say it again, if UT were a stock I would be buying all of your shares at cheap prices just to sell them back to you in 3-4 years at much higher prices.
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
You guys amaze me. Thank God none of you run any major corporations or are in positions of authority/decision making.

Dooley should get 2-3 more years. He will get 2-3 more and deserves too. He has the makings of a great coach. If Hart did say this, which I doubt, it's the right call.

How long does it take to turn a ship the size of UT football that was nearly beached to begin with?
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Why does he deserve 2-3 more years? What have you seen that tells you he has the makings of a good coach?

How long did it take Bob Stoops to turn Oklahoma around? How long did it take Nick Saban to turn Alabama and LSU around?
 
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ToptheTerrible said:
1-2 seasons? Forget it. This program is not going to get some "big fish" and hell, I don't want someone's leftovers either.

I said this before and will say it again, if UT were a stock I would be buying all of your shares at cheap prices just to sell them back to you in 3-4 years at much higher prices.
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The program can and will spend money when it finally becomes clear that they have to.

In 3-4 years, we might actually have a coach that's not terrible.
 
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