Dave Hart...the consumate Bean Counter

[VOLorNuttin]

I'm not that big of a fan of basketball, but Hart should now be given the added title of "Chief Bean Counter of the UT Athletics Dept." I read an article today, saying that one of the things that rubbed Coach Martin the wrong way, was the lowball figure the Dept would owe him if he was fired. Something like 14% of the remaining contract.

So, Martin may have had one foot out the door because of the fan reaction mid-season, but Hart made sure he got the other foot out, too...with his low-balling arse.

I like where Butch Jones is going with the Football program, but let's face it....Hart was never going to offer the upper echelon coaches what it would take to persuade them. He had a low to mid-level SEC budget in mind, and that's not to cut it.

He, like Hamilton, thought he could find a good one on the cheap. Sometimes you can, but the averages are against that occurring, most of the time. Lane Kiffin and Derek Dooley are very good examples of that policy backfiring.

You cannot tell me Marshall wouldn't have jumped at the offer of 2.2-2.5mill/yr and with contract terms that gave him some ironclad security over the next 3-4yrs, while rebuilding the roster.

 

[bamacheats]

All Hamilton left him with was some refried beans. What the F do you expect!

 

[VOLorNuttin]

All Hamilton left him with was some refried beans. What the F do you expect!

He got to shop for the beans, himself, this time around.

 

[AllVolinGA]

When you only have 1.9 million in reserves it doesn't make a lot of sense to go out and blow the whole flipping wad in one shot. This is not obamanomics where everything is affordable, this is the real world where budgets have to be met.

 

[Insunseri]

Glad I stayed up.

 

[TNVolunteerGrad]

opcorn:

 

[VFLCodyGBO]

If you just climbed out of 200k of debt would you be eager to jump in a new lambo?

 

[AllVolinGA]

If you just climbed out of 200k of debt would you be eager to jump in a new lambo?

Yes a lot of the jack wagons on here would because they have no clue how real world economics work.

 

[Vol knight]

 

[Herman Hickman]

I expect an athletic director to do everything in his power to deny failed coaches the opportunity to collect millions of dollars in reward for the dross they put on the field of play.

Let's hope the days of handing $5 million gifts to bottom-feeding scum like Dooley are over.

I welcome Hart protecting this program from the insanity of the past.

 

[VOLorNuttin]

I expect an athletic director to do everything in his power to deny failed coaches the opportunity to collect millions of dollars in reward for the dross they put on the field of play.

Let's hope the days of handing $5 million gifts to bottom-feeding scum like Dooley are over.

I welcome Hart protecting this program from the insanity of the past.

In the world of college athletics, if you want to pull candidates away from winning programs...that's just the price of admission, chief.

The problem with Coaches like Dooley, is he never had the credentials to be the HC of a major program...period. So, if you are going to scrum though the bottom of the clearance barrel, don't be surprised if you take it home and find all kinds of holes in it.

 

[AllVolinGA]

I expect an athletic director to do everything in his power to deny failed coaches the opportunity to collect millions of dollars in reward for the dross they put on the field of play.

Let's hope the days of handing $5 million gifts to bottom-feeding scum like Dooley are over.

I welcome Hart protecting this program from the insanity of the past.

Well said, Sir.

 

[steino]

I expect an athletic director to do everything in his power to deny failed coaches the opportunity to collect millions of dollars in reward for the dross they put on the field of play.

Let's hope the days of handing $5 million gifts to bottom-feeding scum like Dooley are over.

I welcome Hart protecting this program from the insanity of the past.

Kind of like the contracts he worked with Sal Sunseri and some of Dooley's staff. I feel protected.

 

[Herman Hickman]

In the world of college athletics, if you want to pull candidates away from winning programs...that's just the price of admission, chief.

The problem with Coaches like Dooley, is he never had the credentials to be the HC of a major program...period. So, if you are going to scrum though the bottom of the clearance barrel, don't be surprised if you take it home and find all kinds of holes in it.

That is the price of admission for a proven head coach at the top level of the sport he or she is involved in.

It should never be the opening bid for someone lacking quality experience at a top-level program.

Billy Donovan didn't get that kind of deal to begin with at Florida. He's earned it by proving himself at his job.

I see nothing wrong with making a coach prove his worth at TB before he earns a larger wage/buyout in an updated contract.

If that means we lose out on Louisiana Tech coaches with a bloated perception of their worth on the open market, then so be it.

 

[Herman Hickman]

Kind of like the contracts he worked with Sal Sunseri and some of Dooley's staff. I feel protected.

With Sunseri, a classic case of trying to polish a turd with even more useless excrement.

You could give Buzz Peterson the likes of Al Brown and Tex Winter for assistants, for example, and he would still suffer.

 

[UTProf]

With Sunseri, a classic case of trying to polish a turd with even more useless excrement.

You could give Buzz Peterson the likes of Al Brown and Tex Winter for assistants, for example, and he would still suffer.

At the time we didn't have much choice in the matter. Everyone knew Dooley was on the hot seat but none of the people that remember our financial situation thought we could afford to do fire Dooley the season we did. It turned out that Dooley managed to tank so badly that year that Hart couldn't afford not to fire him despite the burden (Hamilton's desperation hire and desperation contract/buyout) placed on us but from a financial perspective Dooley would've been kept another year the same way Muschamp is being kept *if* he hadn't effed up so spectacularly. But by the end of his final season Dooley had lost all support and keeping him became a bigger burden and bigger threat than firing him despite not really being in financial position to do so.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

The low reserve has more to do with the multi million dollar transfer from UTAD to academics that Jimmy Cheek extracted for several years than it does with buyouts. It's been temporarily suspended but I'm sure it will quietly resume as soon as they think no body is looking. The other issue is that ticket sales and donations tend to go down when football is not doing well.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

The low reserve has more to do with the multi million dollar transfer from UTAD to academics that Jimmy Cheek extracted for several years than it does with buyouts. It's been temporarily suspended but I'm sure it will quietly resume as soon as they think no body is looking. The other issue is that ticket sales and donations tend to go down when football is not doing well.

This is not true.

The academic side was getting 7 million a year. That's not that big of a deal, and frankly, I'm glad the academic side got money from athletics. That's how it's supposed to be.

The problem was rewarding failure with huge buy out money. The problem was hiring horrible coaches to begin with.

 

[VolArmy74]

This is not true.

The academic side was getting 7 million a year. That's not that big of a deal, and frankly, I'm glad the academic side got money from athletics. That's how it's supposed to be.

The problem was rewarding failure with huge buy out money. The problem was hiring horrible coaches to begin with.

In 10 years that's 70 million dollars, keep that and we suddenly have one of the largest reserves in the country.

The VASF also gives 7.65 million a year to academics to pay for the scholarships of the athletes it brings to campus. All told the academic side receives around 15 million a year from the athletic department. Probably much more with the fees they charge students for sports now.

 

[SeniorDrill]

When you only have 1.9 million in reserves it doesn't make a lot of sense to go out and blow the whole flipping wad in one shot. This is not obamanomics where everything is affordable, this is the real world where budgets have to be met.

Tennessee has $1.9 million in it's reserve fund while other SEC schools have between $50-100 million according to SportsSource.

 

[TNsnyper20]

I'm not sure who the op was expecting us to hire. So fat Dave Hart had done nothing wrong and the hate for him is about retarded.

 

[bamacheats]

This is not true.

The academic side was getting 7 million a year. That's not that big of a deal, and frankly, I'm glad the academic side got money from athletics. That's how it's supposed to be.

The problem was rewarding failure with huge buy out money. The problem was hiring horrible coaches to begin with.

You have absolutely no idea.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

I'm not that big of a fan of basketball

Then dont act like you know whats best for the program.
I have news for you. We can't just go out and pluck whatever coach we want and pay him whatever he wants when said coach won't even pick up he phone. This isnt nearly as good of a job as people of VN think.

 

[Advol]

When you only have 1.9 million in reserves it doesn't make a lot of sense to go out and blow the whole flipping wad in one shot. This is not obamanomics where everything is affordable, this is the real world where budgets have to be met.

And that is THE point. With Cheek and Hart in charge, the bad hires, the poor management of the programs leads to down and down and down years on the Hill. That in turn kills interest, giving and fannies in the seats. You have 2 individuals literally killing this program.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

And that is THE point. With Cheek and Hart in charge, the bad hires, the poor management of the programs leads to down and down and down years on the Hill. That in turn kills interest, giving and fannies in the seats. You have 2 individuals literally killing this program.

What bad hires? Butch Jones?