Darlinstone???

[ColinS]

Call a spade a spade folks…

He has the 7th worse 3pt% on the team but has the 2nd highest 3 pointers attempted per 40 minutes, he also boasts the 12th best TS% on the team out of 13 players with stats. So he’s been awful and inefficient offensively while also taking more shots in his time on the court than anyone not named Chaz Lanier, and he’s no Chaz. If he was playing lock down defense or rebounding his ass off he’d probably earn himself some more minutes, especially given the lack of depth on this team, but he’s just the teams 6th best rebounder per 40 minutes as well. When it comes to defense it doesn’t get better, he has the 2nd worst DBPM of any scholarship player on the squad, and his PRPG is 2nd worst to just Bishop Boswell.

Barnes has given him opportunities and Dubar hasn’t made the most of them, on a deeper team he probably gets even fewer opportunities. It’s been made clear to him he doesn’t have to hoist a shot every time down the court to make an impact or earn minutes, yet he continues to, at this point of the season he’s not playing unless Barnes just has no other choice.

Yeah, at some point you just have to admit to what you are seeing. Maybe, we get a couple of good moments from this guy right when we need it but I want be holding my breath.

 

[cncchris33]

Seeing we are 9 deep that if is more of a when. You can act like I'm the one being silly but the chances of not having injuries playing a short rotation are slim to none. The point is Darlingstone Dubar is a very important contributor on this team. The 10 minutes he plays each game are huge. The 15 minutes Phillips plays also huge. It's not like the dude has not shown sparks that if he gets going he can score (Texas, WCU).

When you're a volume shooter not able to shoot in volume its hard. He has had just as many truly bad shooting games as he has had great ones. 2 of each. I know you hate the comparison of his stats from before but here is an interesting tidbit. he has had similar averages to this year once before.. his freshman year when he was also playing very limited minutes. 40% from the line and everything. You look at those stats and it's like a mirror. He's a volume shooter averaging under 4 shots a game.. he's gonna feast or famine. Same as Lanier who has had even more terrible shooting nights because he's had more opportunities. Hate on Hofstra stats all you want but 70% from the line consistently is 70%...No Dubar is not some all world player if he was he'd be playing more.

Hate it all you want but there is gonna be a time when he is gonna be forced to play big minutes.. not IF but WHEN. His history says he is more likely to perform better in those moments. Will it be all world? I don't think so but I hope I'm right and he can at least be a 10 and 6 guy in 20 mins.

That last sentence is laughable. What in the heck have you seen that leads you to believe he would be that?

Also, why are you convinced that we are destined for an injury as if it's a mathematical certainty?

 

[JAllen18]

Yeah, at some point you just have to admit to what you are seeing. Maybe, we get a couple of good moments from this guy right when we need it but I want be holding my breath.

Defensive liability on the court. Barnes will not play you no matter how good you are offensively, if you won't play sound defense.

 

[BreatheUT]

I almost kind of like the fact he's ready to try and score when he's in there. He certainly came up big in two big road wins, especially in Austin. He's got to show some consistency if he wants to play more. I think he would be a huge asset if he can ever get himself enough PT to get in the flow of an entire game

I predict that if this team can't get scoring from an unexpected source at some point in the tournament then it doesn't make it past the sweet 16. That is just my opinion after seeing this offense all year.

 

[therickbol]

Defensive liability on the court. Barnes will not play you no matter how good you are offensively, if you won't play sound defense.

His problem is that he has ALSO not been good on offense. I think he has some ability to contribute offensively. But he is "pressing" because of his limited minutes and that means he has not been good offensively either. Being bad at both defense and offense is certainly not a good way to get playing time.

 

[pimo1]

That last sentence is laughable. What in the heck have you seen that leads you to believe he would be that?

Also, why are you convinced that we are destined for an injury as if it's a mathematical certainty?

Math? He's averaging a third of that playing in spurts. If he's playing a solid 20 mins he can get those numbers.

We are destined for an injury because it basically is a mathematical certainty. You know how often basketball teams go without injuries? I am sure if you did some really deep diving you could find an instance or 3. But injuries are part of basketball. They are also more common in players playing long minutes with no rest. We literally cant go 2 deep. it is not possible for us to pull all the starters. At all moments in a game at least 1-2 starters have to be on the court unless we play walkons. You might as well say we have 8 guys because Boswell is only averaging 4 mins a game.

Name a single season UT has survived with no injuries? I don't get your assault against logic. Is there a slight chance we can not have a single injury the rest of the season? Sure but reality is, its more likely than not we lose someone for at least a few games. Injuries also tend to snowball because you're playing fewer guys more minutes. If you have one pair of shoes they are gonna get worn out faster than if you have 3. Not only that if you have 3 pairs and alternate them they will last more than 3 times as long. Balancing the load brings more than one to 1 benefits. The opposite is also true. In roster balancing you hit tipping points you can have too many or not enough. if you have a roster of 15 4 and 5 stars and no one gets hurt you have too much.. people are gonna leave because there is not enough PT for everyone. If you don't have enough bodies it goes bad because there is too much work for everyone.

Look at the NBA why do you think load management exists? To prevent injuries. Because playing 30+ minutes a game night in night out adds up. Yes college basketball plays a lot less games than the pros, but those guys are in much better shape and have a lot more downtime. With NIL college athletes are even more busy than they used to be. I don't wanna jinx it but its reality. Okpara has been walking wounded all season. ZZ and Igor have already missed a bit of time and its a miracle we have only had one major injury so far. You can only hit your number so many time before you roll snakeyes. I'm betting on the under and hoping for the over.

 

[cncchris33]

Math? He's averaging a third of that playing in spurts. If he's playing a solid 20 mins he can get those numbers.

We are destined for an injury because it basically is a mathematical certainty. You know how often basketball teams go without injuries? I am sure if you did some really deep diving you could find an instance or 3. But injuries are part of basketball. They are also more common in players playing long minutes with no rest. We literally cant go 2 deep. it is not possible for us to pull all the starters. At all moments in a game at least 1-2 starters have to be on the court unless we play walkons. You might as well say we have 8 guys because Boswell is only averaging 4 mins a game.

Name a single season UT has survived with no injuries? I don't get your assault against logic. Is there a slight chance we can not have a single injury the rest of the season? Sure but reality is, its more likely than not we lose someone for at least a few games. Injuries also tend to snowball because you're playing fewer guys more minutes. If you have one pair of shoes they are gonna get worn out faster than if you have 3. Not only that if you have 3 pairs and alternate them they will last more than 3 times as long. Balancing the load brings more than one to 1 benefits. The opposite is also true. In roster balancing you hit tipping points you can have too many or not enough. if you have a roster of 15 4 and 5 stars and no one gets hurt you have too much.. people are gonna leave because there is not enough PT for everyone. If you don't have enough bodies it goes bad because there is too much work for everyone.

Look at the NBA why do you think load management exists? To prevent injuries. Because playing 30+ minutes a game night in night out adds up. Yes college basketball plays a lot less games than the pros, but those guys are in much better shape and have a lot more downtime. With NIL college athletes are even more busy than they used to be. I don't wanna jinx it but its reality. Okpara has been walking wounded all season. ZZ and Igor have already missed a bit of time and its a miracle we have only had one major injury so far. You can only hit your number so many time before you roll snakeyes. I'm betting on the under and hoping for the over.

That's a lot of words (as usual for you) to say, "I don't know...I'm just speculating."

Additionally, the irony of you accusing anyone of an assault on logic is incredible.

 

[bigmac]

It could also be a coaching/system thing, or maybe he's just lost some confidence.

 

[pimo1]

That's a lot of words (as usual for you) to say, "I don't know...I'm just speculating."

Additionally, the irony of you accusing anyone of an assault on logic is incredible.

So you are saying that injuries are not a reality of basketball and happen on a fairly regular basis? Are you saying its not more likely than not injuries will happen on a basketball team? That as a betting man you'd put your stake on 0 injuries the rest of the season on ANY basketball team much less a shorthanded one? Just wanna get this one clear.

My stance is simple. If I had to bet everything i owned yes or no will Dubar play major minutes before this season is over I'm betting yes all day and Vegas odds would back me. The long shot is him not having to. 0 to do with his talent all to do with numbers.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Hate it all you want but there is gonna be a time when he is gonna be forced to play big minutes.. not IF but WHEN. His history says he is more likely to perform better in those moments. Will it be all world? I don't think so but I hope I'm right and he can at least be a 10 and 6 guy in 20 mins.

Wanna bet?

Bump…

 

[cncchris33]

So you are saying that injuries are not a reality of basketball and happen on a fairly regular basis? Are you saying its not more likely than not injuries will happen on a basketball team? That as a betting man you'd put your stake on 0 injuries the rest of the season on ANY basketball team much less a shorthanded one? Just wanna get this one clear.

My stance is simple. If I had to bet everything i owned yes or no will Dubar play major minutes before this season is over I'm betting yes all day and Vegas odds would back me. The long shot is him not having to. 0 to do with his talent all to do with numbers.

Good lord. You need to work on reading comprehension. Or maybe lay off the angel dust. Nice strawman, though.

 

[pimo1]

It could also be a coaching/system thing, or maybe he's just lost some confidence.

He is a streaky volume shooter and is only playing spot minutes. ESPN is a great resource you can go back and look at game logs from past years. His freshman year he played similar (actually slightly more) minutes and role as he does here at UT. His numbers are almost identical. In the 3 years he was playing 25-35 minutes totally different story. If he's putting up 12-15 shots a game he produces if he's shooting less its really spotty. Think Jordan Poole. He is gonna have some bad nights especially if he's not getting play but he can heat up.

People act like the dude has been shooting like a madman. He has had 5 games where he took more than 4 shots. Everyone remembers the Florida game (the one we won by 20)
Florida He went 2-10 in a blowout win and the only game he finally got some minutes. he also had 5 boards 3 assists a block and 0 turnovers in 26 mins. Since that game he's shot 40% from the field and 50% from 3 btw

Kentucky he went 3-9 for 7 points 4 boards 1 assist a block and 2 steals 1 TO not a great stat line until you look at those of other players in the same game. He outproduced Gainey and at worst Equaled Okpara and Mashack playing half the minutes either of them did.

Texas 4-6 for 12 points and 6 boards no turnovers

WCU 5-18 for 13 2 boards a steal and 2 TO's

UTM 3-6 7 points 3 boards and an assist 0 turnovers

Rest of the season he is averaging 2 shots a game and more interesting he does not turn over the ball. He has 11 turnovers the whole year. You know who else has 11 TO's Boswell who has played 1/3 as many minutes. He is an offensive black hole (hence the Jordan Poole reference) but he plays defense.

People are skewing their whole view of the guy from one game. Where has was forced to start.. because of injuries. Which I've been told arent gonna happen.

 

[pimo1]

Wanna bet?

Bump…

So you are saying for the rest of the season we won't have any injuries to starters? Because if a starter goes down who else are the minutes going to? Ben Linnemeyer? Grant Hurst? Gavin Paul? Rest of the season is 6-14 games. The only way they go to anyone else is if its ZZ and then maybe some go to Boswell.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So you are saying for the rest of the season we won't have any injuries to starters? Because if a starter goes down who else are the minutes going to? Ben Linnemeyer? Grant Hurst? Gavin Paul? Rest of the season is 6-14 games. The only way they go to anyone else is if it’s ZZ and then maybe some go to Boswell.

Well for starters you didn’t mention an injury, you stated there was going to come a game he’d have to play big minutes, I don’t think he’ll be getting 20+ minutes in any game going forward, that’s correct.

 

[Frozevol]

To me, it said we threw NIL$ at someone who wasn’t ready to contribute to start the season which to me equals a swing and a miss. It’s like I’m fighting a war and the blackrock mercenaries I contracted to provide site security for the base don’t show up on the agreed to date. Doesn’t matter why, my contractors building the base don’t have security. Not understanding why this is confusing. These portal guys are mercenaries hired to play basketball. Show up and earn your money - no excuses.
JMO, TIFWIW

Then give them opportunities for large increased $$ based on performance. As opposed to just paying them.

 

[pimo1]

Well for starters you didn’t mention an injury, you stated there was going to come a game he’d have to play big minutes, I don’t think he’ll be getting 20+ minutes in any game going forward, that’s correct.

we were talking about injuries the whole time I said it multiple times he will end up playing big minutes because we will have injuries....because we have 8.5 scholarship players. You came in on the end of a back-and-forth.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

we were talking about injuries the whole time I said it multiple times he will end up playing big minutes because we will have injuries....because we have 8.5 scholarship players. You came in on the end of a back-and-forth.

Again, don’t think we’ll see him play 20+ minutes in a game the rest of this year, and willing to wager on it. Since that Florida game he’s play 3, 11, 4, 6 & 6.

 

[pimo1]

Again, don’t think we’ll see him play 20+ minutes in a game the rest of this year, and willing to wager on it. Since that Florida game he’s play 3, 11, 4, 6 & 6.

Again this is all based on injury lol not him having a light turn on and beating someone out. If any of the first 6 guys go down there is gonna be 25-30 minutes needing someone to play them. The other 5 guys don't have enough leeway to take more than a couple extra. If Phillips goes down that's 15 minutes pretty much going directly to him. If its a guard maybe they play Boswell but he hasn't been able to get on the court as much as Dubar so that's not likely.

There is no rocket science here it's the most lukewarm/easy take there is. Math is undefeated. Even if you play your first 6 30 a game there are still 20 mins left. With the exception of Okpara all the other guys are already pushing 30 mins a game with ZZ at 35

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Again this is all based on injury lol not him having a light turn on and beating someone out. If any of the first 6 guys go down there is gonna be 25-30 minutes needing someone to play them. The other 5 guys don't have enough leeway to take more than a couple extra. If Phillips goes down that's 15 minutes pretty much going directly to him. If its a guard maybe they play Boswell but he hasn't been able to get on the court as much as Dubar so that's not likely.

There is no rocket science here it's the most lukewarm/easy take there is. Math is undefeated. Even if you play your first 6 30 a game there are still 20 mins left. With the exception of Okpara all the other guys are already pushing 30 mins a game with ZZ at 35

You’ve talked like it’s a definite, I don’t think it happens and have said as much.

 

[VolsAgainstTheWorld15]

He is a streaky volume shooter and is only playing spot minutes. ESPN is a great resource you can go back and look at game logs from past years. His freshman year he played similar (actually slightly more) minutes and role as he does here at UT. His numbers are almost identical. In the 3 years he was playing 25-35 minutes totally different story. If he's putting up 12-15 shots a game he produces if he's shooting less its really spotty. Think Jordan Poole. He is gonna have some bad nights especially if he's not getting play but he can heat up.

People act like the dude has been shooting like a madman. He has had 5 games where he took more than 4 shots. Everyone remembers the Florida game (the one we won by 20)
Florida He went 2-10 in a blowout win and the only game he finally got some minutes. he also had 5 boards 3 assists a block and 0 turnovers in 26 mins. Since that game he's shot 40% from the field and 50% from 3 btw

Kentucky he went 3-9 for 7 points 4 boards 1 assist a block and 2 steals 1 TO not a great stat line until you look at those of other players in the same game. He outproduced Gainey and at worst Equaled Okpara and Mashack playing half the minutes either of them did.

Texas 4-6 for 12 points and 6 boards no turnovers

WCU 5-18 for 13 2 boards a steal and 2 TO's

UTM 3-6 7 points 3 boards and an assist 0 turnovers

Rest of the season he is averaging 2 shots a game and more interesting he does not turn over the ball. He has 11 turnovers the whole year. You know who else has 11 TO's Boswell who has played 1/3 as many minutes. He is an offensive black hole (hence the Jordan Poole reference) but he plays defense.

People are skewing their whole view of the guy from one game. Where has was forced to start.. because of injuries. Which I've been told arent gonna happen.

You continue citing his numbers at Hofstra without acknowledging the reality which is that the competition at Hofstra was significantly lower than the Big 12 (Iowa State) or SEC (Tennessee). It is not a lack of minutes causing him to not be as effective as he was at Hofstra. Unlike at Hofstra, he is playing against and with a lot of guys that are just better than him. It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention to the games that the guy just isn’t cut out to be a significant contributor on a good high major team. One good performance at Texas is heavily outweighed by mediocre performances.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You continue citing his numbers at Hofstra without acknowledging the reality which is that the competition at Hofstra was significantly lower than the Big 12 (Iowa State) or SEC (Tennessee). It is not a lack of minutes causing him to not be as effective as he was at Hofstra. Unlike at Hofstra, he is playing against and with a lot of guys that are just better than him. It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention to the games that the guy just isn’t cut out to be a significant contributor on a good high major team. One good performance at Texas is heavily outweighed by mediocre performances.

He contributed in that Florida game. If not for him we many not get that win. He helped keep Haugh from going off.

 

[Delmar]

Again this is all based on injury lol not him having a light turn on and beating someone out. If any of the first 6 guys go down there is gonna be 25-30 minutes needing someone to play them. The other 5 guys don't have enough leeway to take more than a couple extra. If Phillips goes down that's 15 minutes pretty much going directly to him. If its a guard maybe they play Boswell but he hasn't been able to get on the court as much as Dubar so that's not likely.

There is no rocket science here it's the most lukewarm/easy take there is. Math is undefeated. Even if you play your first 6 30 a game there are still 20 mins left. With the exception of Okpara all the other guys are already pushing 30 mins a game with ZZ at 35

With only 7 first line players, Dubar has had plenty of chances to earn 20 minutes a game with just some reasonable play. He hasn’t done it so far and I’m not sure Rick trusts him enough now to do it. Hope he proves me wrong but I’m guessing he won’t.

 

[BreatheUT]

He contributed in that Florida game. If not for him we many not get that win. He helped keep Haugh from going off.

Didn't you hear? The best geniuses in basketball reside on this board.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Didn't you hear? The best geniuses in basketball reside on this board.

Don't I know it!

 

[pimo1]

You continue citing his numbers at Hofstra without acknowledging the reality which is that the competition at Hofstra was significantly lower than the Big 12 (Iowa State) or SEC (Tennessee). It is not a lack of minutes causing him to not be as effective as he was at Hofstra. Unlike at Hofstra, he is playing against and with a lot of guys that are just better than him. It’s obvious to anyone who is paying attention to the games that the guy just isn’t cut out to be a significant contributor on a good high major team. One good performance at Texas is heavily outweighed by mediocre performances.

shooting is shooting. we have the numbers we have. you don't go from being a good shooter to a bad shooter because you went up a level. you might have issues getting your shot off but shooting is shooting. I used his numbers from Hofstra to point out that he is a volume shooter. I also used his numbers from Iowa State to show what happens when he is forced to play sporadic minutes. Thats 4 years of playing no matter what level it happened at it shows a consistent pattern. When he gets up shots and plays minutes he tends to do well. he is a streaky shooter and scores in bunches this is also something that's held true at UT.

AT UT he has played 10 or more minutes 11 times.. On all but 3 of those occasions he has been productive. In the 11 games he played 10 or more minutes he shot 24-55 43.6% from the field and 10-33 30% from 3. Not great numbers but definitely not bad. In the 10 of those not the Florida game 22-45 48.8% from field and 10-29 34.8% from 3. Now those are impressive numbers yes? Because that's better than any guard on the team from the field and everyone except for Lanier from 3. Also btw his numbers including Florida are better than Gainey. He averaged 5 points 3 boards and totaled 4 turnovers (that's 0.36) in those games. In 14.5 minutes a game. You know who else averages right around 15 minutes a game (but he gets it consistently) and puts up shockingly similar numbers? Cade freaking Philips.

So AT UT.. this year... in game where he has played extended time 10 or more minutes he averages the same as Cade Philips.....outside of the whole 3 pointer thing that is. In his 11 opportunities to play outside of garbage time, he has answered the bell 8. So there ya go UT numbers not Hofstra ones or Iowa State, not even Scottland Prep, Athens Prep or Rocky River High school numbers. This was fun I didn't even know he played for Bobby Maze's AAU team and went to school in Athens. Funny story he only averaged about 12 points a game in HS but was known to have big outbursts like.. ya know a streaky volume shooter.