Dan Mullen thread (merged)

[vols1707]

Tebow never was a pro QB

So what was your point saying that Tebow's word on Mullen as a qb coach who couldn't develop Tebow into a better QB is as good reason to hire Dan Mullen?

 

[Vol1962]

So what was your point saying that Tebow's word on Mullen as a qb coach who couldn't develop Tebow into a better QB is as good reason to hire Dan Mullen?

Tebow was an awesome college QB. Tebow was never gonna be a great NFL QB. Not everybody goes that has a great college career and goes pro and years it up.
Just because Tebow said that doesn't mean it's a great selling point for Mullen. Btw, Mullen does know what it takes to win in the SEC.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

So overrated.

If you’re just wanting an upgrade over CBJ, Mullen fits that narrative.

If you’re wanting to be a National Title Contender again, Mullen is definitely not the guy to do it.

1. 32-38 against the SEC
2. 2-15 in ranked matchups.

He’s at MSU, blah blah blah blah blah.

That’s pathetic we’re having to make excuses for a possible coaching candidate so what does that tell you?

Not one thing screams, “Homerun Hire” about Mullen

If our goal is just to be a step above of Butch, our Administration is handling this coaching search very wrong.

There’s so many coaches out there better than Butch.

It would be an underwhelming hire which would be extremely hard for me to get excited about.

 

[jakez4ut]

Tebow never was a pro QB

then who was that qb for Denver that beat the Steelers in the playoffs a few years ago? hm.

 

[VOLNPA]

Tebow never was a pro QB

He never was given a legit chance. He got 1 season and won a playoff game. Meanwhile, have you seen the rejects who are still on rosters. If not for the religious zealots, he'd have had a decent career as a backup.

 

[Vol1962]

then who was that qb for Denver that beat the Steelers in the playoffs a few years ago? hm.

I meant to say a great pro QB. Yes he had success but he was never gonna be a Terry Bradshaw

 

[jakez4ut]

So overrated.

If you’re just wanting an upgrade over CBJ, Mullen fits that narrative.

If you’re wanting to be a National Title Contender again, Mullen is definitely not the guy to do it.

1. 32-38 against the SEC
2. 2-15 in ranked matchups.

He’s at MSU, blah blah blah blah blah.

That’s pathetic we’re having to make excuses for a possible coaching candidate so what does that tell you?

Not one thing screams, “Homerun Hire” about Mullen

If our goal is just to be a step above of Butch, our Administration is handling this coaching search very wrong.

There’s so many coaches out there better than Butch.

It would be an underwhelming hire which would be extremely hard for me to get excited about.

i think some of this is also fairly short sighted, but your big picture view on Mullen, and the legit question about whether or not he could be a true championship contender, i agree with.

i think though, a better way to look at Mullen is "is there a path for him to be that at TN?"

i'm not saying "will".....but is there a path to that with Mullen? i think there is. and he's a safer bet than some other names that are being floated around.

to me, once you get past Gruden, Mullen and Frost, it gets a lot dicier.

 

[jakez4ut]

I meant to say a great pro QB. Yes he had success but he was never gonna be a Terry Bradshaw

he got drafted. and he got paid. that's all the recruit needs to know. once you get to the NFL, it's up to the player do do something with it.

all a coach needs is a track record of getting guys drafted, and getting on a team.

he's done that. he is not held accountable for Tebow not being able to make it there.

 

[vols1707]

i think some of this is also fairly short sighted, but your big picture view on Mullen, and the legit question about whether or not he could be a true championship contender, i agree with.

i think though, a better way to look at Mullen is "is there a path for him to be that at TN?"

i'm not saying "will".....but is there a path to that with Mullen? i think there is. and he's a safer bet than some other names that are being floated around.

to me, once you get past Gruden, Mullen and Frost, it gets a lot dicier.

Jakez brother I'm absolutely convinced if UT administration wants to stay mediocre for another 10-15 years and hires Dan Mullen as HC

I'm all for making you his personal PR representative.
Nobody shines up a turd better than you brother.

I'm meaning that as a compliment brother. You are definitely a glass half full guy. Very optimistic

Even when the glass (Mullen) has a leak on the bottom.

 

[Vol1962]

he got drafted. and he got paid. that's all the recruit needs to know. once you get to the NFL, it's up to the player do do something with it.

all a coach needs is a track record of getting guys drafted, and getting on a team.

he's done that. he is not held accountable for Tebow not being able to make it there.

I agree.

 

[jakez4ut]

Jakez brother I'm absolutely convinced if UT administration wants to stay mediocre for another 10-15 years and hires Dan Mullen as HC

I'm all for making you his personal PR representative.
Nobody shines up a turd better than you brother.

I'm meaning that as a compliment brother. You are definitely a glass half full guy. Very optimistic

Even when the glass (Mullen) has a leak on the bottom.

lol. you're the first person to ever say i'm a glass half full guy on this board. i'm really not, i'm a realist, and really, a skeptic.

i don't know that Mullen will/would be great here. and i've said that a lot.

i just look at his career at MSU a lot differently than some of you do.

you and i have already done this in another thread, so i'm not going to rehash it all here, other than to say, i still believe if you're looking at Mullen on the "naked" numbers and making a determination only on that, i'd tell you to add the correct context to those numbers, and re think the "absolute" in your assertion.

in fact, it's that context that should give anyone some pause on Mullen, and really have to make a balanced consideration on him.

he is not a sure thing. and i've never said otherwise. i just don't think he's hot garbage, and i wouldn't freak out negatively if he was hired.

i see why he makes sense to so many people, fans and reputable media/analyst alike. and i see why you could have some anxiety.

i'm just not going to sit back and watch some of the stuff being posted w/out offering, what i think anyway is, a fair counter point for consideration.

it does surprise me sometimes how absolute some are in their opinion of him, and that may drive some of the "tone" in my responses, but that's what my intent is.

 

[Vol1962]

Jakez brother I'm absolutely convinced if UT administration wants to stay mediocre for another 10-15 years and hires Dan Mullen as HC

I'm all for making you his personal PR representative.
Nobody shines up a turd better than you brother.

I'm meaning that as a compliment brother. You are definitely a glass half full guy. Very optimistic

Even when the glass (Mullen) has a leak on the bottom.

I am a season ticket holder since 1975. I have seen mediocrity for many years. I am over it. This is the first time ever that our administration is really trying to make the big hire. I'm excited about it. I still don't think Mullen is a bad hire at all. Now Mike Norvell or Jeff Brohm that's a different story

 

[vols1707]

I am a season ticket holder since 1975. I have seen mediocrity for many years. I am over it. This is the first time ever that our administration is really trying to make the big hire. I'm excited about it. I still don't think Mullen is a bad hire at all. Now Mike Norvell or Jeff Brohm that's a different story

Yea I don't think Mullen is a bad hire either. I'm good with Mullen as a head coach but would hope for No's from

Gruden
Miles
Frost
Schanio
Patterson

First then if they are all no's

Let's go Dan my man. I could get behind him then. As a 6th choice

 

[vols1707]

Yea Jakez I enjoy good discussion with you brother. We both know where each other stands on this. No reason to rehash

Respect ✊

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Mississippi State has played nobody out of conference in the Mullen era. The only ranked out of conference regular season opponents I recall for MSU were GaTech early in the Mullen era and an opening weekend game against Okie State, both of which MSU lost. Mullen's record is fool's gold because they load up on cupcakes. Mullen has only been above .500 in the SEC once in eight seasons. Vols are not going to schedule down for 4 guaranteed ooc wins and 4 losses in conference is not going to cut it here.

 

[Vol1962]

Yea I don't think Mullen is a bad hire either. I'm good with Mullen as a head coach but would hope for No's from

Gruden
Miles
Frost
Schanio
Patterson

First then if they are all no's

Let's go Dan my man. I could get behind him then. As a 6th choice

Gruden would set this town on fire.
Miles ok I guess
Frost no. Not an SEC guy. Not enough of a record. And Nebraska will be calling
Schisms-Does he know what it takes to win in the SEC?
Patterson Yes! But does he know what it takes to win in the SEC.
Fuente Yes. Because nobody ever wins at Memphis. He did for 3 years. But does he know what it takes to win in the SEC.
With Mullen he does know what it takes to win in this conference. He hasn't set the woods on fire there but he does know what it takes.
Tennessee spent 1.9 million on recruiting last year and you can bet that's going up. Mullen, Gruden, Patterson or Fuente would all benefit from that.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

I'll throw out a question based on an assumption that I've always held. Does anyone think that MSU has a recruiting edge on UTK when it comes to linemen because they are located in such a talent rich environment for that position and they have different admissions standards? I have always believed that MSU was able to put together tough, lunch pail type squads using the big deep south linemen that Bama and LSU don't take.

 

[vols1707]

I'll throw out a question based on an assumption that I've always held. Does anyone think that MSU has a recruiting edge on UTK when it comes to linemen because they are located in such a talent rich environment for that position and they have different admissions standards? I have always believed that MSU was able to put together tough, lunch pail type squads using the big deep south linemen that Bama and LSU don't take.

See this is my thinking as well.

MSU gets great talent.

They are not always great star rated players because Mississippi is so rual and poor most of the kids they get can't go to these national camps to get their star ratings up.

But make no mistake Mississippi is TALENT RICH
It just doesn't show to the star gazers.

And that's because a lot of recruits can't go to these camps to get noticed and play at smaller schools

 

[jakez4ut]

I'll throw out a question based on an assumption that I've always held. Does anyone think that MSU has a recruiting edge on UTK when it comes to linemen because they are located in such a talent rich environment for that position and they have different admissions standards? I have always believed that MSU was able to put together tough, lunch pail type squads using the big deep south linemen that Bama and LSU don't take.

See this is my thinking as well.

MSU gets great talent.

They are not always great star rated players because Mississippi is so rual and poor most of the kids they get can't go to these national camps to get their star ratings up.

But make no mistake Mississippi is TALENT RICH
It just doesn't show to the star gazers.

And that's because a lot of recruits can't go to these camps to get noticed and play at smaller schools

since Mullen has been there, they're a perennial 25-35 ranked recruiting class, with an occasional dip in to the top 20. they're consistently in the back half of the league in recruiting.

to say MSU is/has been getting top talent is not an accurate statement, in the traditional sense of the term.

i think at some point, you just have to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, they've done a better than average job at development of players. MSU is not out recruiting people.

that said, i do not know the difference in admission standards between MSU and the other teams in the conf. i do know they have to abide by the same conf rules though.

 

[vols1707]

since Mullen has been there, they're a perennial 25-35 ranked recruiting class, with an occasional dip in to the top 20. they're consistently in the back half of the league in recruiting.

to say MSU is/has been getting top talent is not an accurate statement, in the traditional sense of the term.

i think at some point, you just have to acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, they've done a better than average job at development of players. MSU is not out recruiting people.

that said, i do not know the difference in admission standards between MSU and the other teams in the conf. i do know they have to abide by the same conf rules though.

Looking at rankings is based on star gazing Jakez.

Talking about Miss st gets players if it wasn't such a rual school and some of these kids went to more camps they would have been higher rated.

Miss st looks like a SEC team. That's not all on development
It's some I'll give you that.

A lot of the kids coming out of these poor rual areas are just overlooked in star rankings

 

[vols1707]

Look at Tennessee

Tennessee does not look like a SEC team from top to bottom.

But they finished so high in recruiting rankings under Butch.

Why?

Some of the players were very highly ranked based on area they played in & the camps they went to.

Recruiting rankings are good to look at and have some merit. But the # of 4 & 5 stars there are now are just a product of business and clicks based on camps put on.

Not always on a kids actual ability

 

[vols1707]

The top 100 recruits?

Yea they are awesome amazing players.

After that? Let's see who went to what camp and their tape there.

Those who don't go to camp based on location and income? Get lost in the shuffle

 

[jakez4ut]

Looking at rankings is based on star gazing Jakez.

Talking about Miss st gets players if it wasn't such a rual school and some of these kids went to more camps they would have been higher rated.

Miss st looks like a SEC team. That's not all on development
It's some I'll give you that.

A lot of the kids coming out of these poor rual areas are just overlooked in star rankings

this place cracks me up.

Butch Jones recruits at a top ten level, we suck, he can't develop talent (which i agree with actually, they can't all be busts)

Dan Mullen recruits at a top 30 level, does well, and it's just unknown talent no one else identified BECAUSE he's at MSU....(which i don't agree with, he can't be the only one it identify all these diamonds in the rough)

 

[fade route]

So overrated.

If you’re just wanting an upgrade over CBJ, Mullen fits that narrative.

If you’re wanting to be a National Title Contender again, Mullen is definitely not the guy to do it.

1. 32-38 against the SEC
2. 2-15 in ranked matchups.

He’s at MSU, blah blah blah blah blah.

That’s pathetic we’re having to make excuses for a possible coaching candidate so what does that tell you?

Not one thing screams, “Homerun Hire” about Mullen

If our goal is just to be a step above of Butch, our Administration is handling this coaching search very wrong.

There’s so many coaches out there better than Butch.

It would be an underwhelming hire which would be extremely hard for me to get excited about.

The blah blah blah is why you’re wrong. Respect you as a poster but I just don’t get why you can’t put his accomplishments in context and be able to project what he could do here. By the way, he is a target for A&M as well.

 

[vols1707]

The blah blah blah is why you’re wrong. Respect you as a poster but I just don’t get why you can’t put his accomplishments in context and be able to project what he could do here. By the way, he is a target for A&M as well.

Good for A&M not as much pressure to win like at Tennessee. Just go to yell practice and have fun. Go fans! 12th man