Current Players View of Dooley

#126
#126
Coaches make mistakes and people have to remember Dooley doesn't have the HC experience Saban had coming into his LSU job much less Bama. He shouldn't have been hired here with his resume, but what's done is done. Show some patience and let him learn from his mistakes for a couple years before sending him packing. I wish someone would make him see that publicly trashing his players is a lose-lose situation though.
 
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Wezcoast said:
Coaches make mistakes and people have to remember Dooley doesn't have the HC experience Saban had coming into his LSU job much less Bama. He shouldn't have been hired here with his resume, but what's done is done. Show some patience and let him learn from his mistakes for a couple years before sending him packing. I wish someone would make him see that publicly trashing his players is a lose-lose situation though.
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Up to this point, that is pretty much what I thought. But Fisher's departure from the Titans made one thing clear. That is a lame duck coach, coming off a losing season, has much, much less chance to succeed than wiping the slate clean (even if this is the 3rd time in 4-5yrs). Bud wouldn't give Fisher an extension. So, most coaches on his staff new the chances of them being with the Titans 12 months later was very slim. So, his long time DL coach, Washburn, leaves. Under those circumstances he has no chance to get a quality replacement. Other assistants followed suit. Fisher's goose was cooked and ready to serve, at that point.

Dooley is in a similar predicament. If he had something in his resume a player, recruit, and fan could hang their hat and say "maybe he can do the same thing next year, he did then," then I would be in favor of giving him more time.

But because he doesn't, he should have a shorter leash than the average coach. Let's say we are talking about Sumlin, who was supposed to be a candidate last time around. I could look at what he did in Houston and think, maybe he could get us there with just a little more time. There is nothing to look back to with Dooley.

It seems glaringly apparent that he is just in over his head, doesn't know how to make 2nd half adjustments and has lost the team. All we expected was just to see the program progressing some, at this stage. Instead it's taking a nose dive.
 
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JayVols said:
That is the fallacy. No sane and rational person expected to set the win column on fire. At the same time, those same sane rational people have every right to expect team improvement and a win over a WR/QB with zero college starts led KY team that is God-awful. We should've beat that KY team with our JV team. The only positive strides this year was on the defense.
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Yeah we should have, without question. I expected team improvement as much as anyone. It's just tough to visibly see improvement with the amount of injuries we had. The offensive line definitely has some work to do but i don't think we could have possibly been happy with the outcome we were destined for since Kiffin left. I mean, really, honestly think about the last time we were happy with a Tennessee team? Last year nearly beating UNC? NO. '09 getting taken in to OT by UK and getting waxed at the Chik-fil-a bowl? NO. Definitely not '08. '07 when we very feasibly could have won the SEC? I wasn't thrilled about it at the time. In retrospect, looks a bit better. '06? 3-3 against Bama, UF, UGA, USC, LSU, Arkansas and losing to an avg. Penn St. team in the Outback Bowl? Not really. Definitely not '05. I guess 2004 was the last time I've been really happy with a season. No need to go any further. The point is we are a very needy fan base as we should being a program with the utmost tradition and respect. On the flip side, sometimes we have to face the reality that we aren't where we used to be and not Bill Belichek, Mike Tomlin, Theo Epstein, John Gruden/Madden hybrid, Harry Potter, Smokey and/or the Bandit could have given us a happy season this year. Let's just see how it plays out.
 
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ChaucerVol said:
I see your point, I just don't know that I would have been any happier with Franklin being hired than I was or am Dooley. I don't know anybody who could have given us a win/loss record that we'd approve of with all the injuries.
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It's not about wins and losses at this point it's just that I think two years is long enough to see what Dooley has to offer. I think with a great coach the best we would have finished this year would be 7-5. The only loss I really hang over Dooley's head is the Kentucky game. A blind man could have got this team to 6-6 this year though. Without Dooley's embarrassing buy out of UNC we're a 4-8 team with our biggest win being Vanderbilt. I never said I would have been happy with hiring Franklin I can't stand the guy. Franklin was used as an example of the type of coach that would have crawled to Knoxville to coach Tennessee. We shouldn't be manipulated into thinking nobody wanted the job so Dooley was doing us a favor.
 
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GLDunlap said:
It's not about wins and losses at this point it's just that I think two years is long enough to see what Dooley has to offer. I think with a great coach the best we would have finished this year would be 7-5. The only loss I really hang over Dooley's head is the Kentucky game. A blind man could have got this team to 6-6 this year though. Without Dooley's embarrassing buy out of UNC we're a 4-8 team with our biggest win being Vanderbilt. I never said I would have been happy with hiring Franklin I can't stand the guy. Franklin was used as an example of the type of coach that would have crawled to Knoxville to coach Tennessee. We shouldn't be manipulated into thinking nobody wanted the job so Dooley was doing us a favor.
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It's not just two years. It's two years of a program that was youngest in the league when he arrived, had multiple recruits leave due to the change, and cursed with injuries this year. I think two years is normally enough but I think this may be an exception.
 
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Cheese Donkey said:
What has he said to "belittle" players in public? Quotes please. Everything he says about players in the public is something correctable that the player can work on. If he thinks the player can't get it done, then he usually says "we're not getting the production we want out of the position."
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I'm not going to waste my time. Either you don't live in knoxville or you have your head in the sand.
 
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#134
Not to be an ass OP, but tell your friend to step up and lead. You don't have to be a senior or a star player to take a leadership role. I agree with most of what you posted, but the only way we get player leadership is for someone to nut up and take charge. It seems the team knows we need player leadership, but none of them want to be that leader.
 
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ChaucerVol said:
It's not just two years. It's two years of a program that was youngest in the league when he arrived, had multiple recruits leave due to the change, and cursed with injuries this year. I think two years is normally enough but I think this may be an exception.
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Ironically I usually think everyone deserves at least three years but after watching Dooley this year I see no leadership, motivational or coaching skills. His game day coaching was a complete circus all season. If the players like and respect him so much why did they completely mail it in agaist Kentucky. I just don't buy it.
 
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JustFunnN'Orange said:
You coffee co. moron... when has Dooley bashed a player??? He has inferred to poor performance and it has been spot on....but, NOTHING really embarassing!!

C'mon, give me an example????
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I guess you don't live in Knoxville and listen to the daily practice reports. In fairness he was much worse last year.
 
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ChaucerVol said:
Yeah we should have, without question. I expected team improvement as much as anyone. It's just tough to visibly see improvement with the amount of injuries we had. The offensive line definitely has some work to do but i don't think we could have possibly been happy with the outcome we were destined for since Kiffin left. I mean, really, honestly think about the last time we were happy with a Tennessee team? Last year nearly beating UNC? NO. '09 getting taken in to OT by UK and getting waxed at the Chik-fil-a bowl? NO. Definitely not '08. '07 when we very feasibly could have won the SEC? I wasn't thrilled about it at the time. In retrospect, looks a bit better. '06? 3-3 against Bama, UF, UGA, USC, LSU, Arkansas and losing to an avg. Penn St. team in the Outback Bowl? Not really. Definitely not '05. I guess 2004 was the last time I've been really happy with a season. No need to go any further. The point is we are a very needy fan base as we should being a program with the utmost tradition and respect. On the flip side, sometimes we have to face the reality that we aren't where we used to be and not Bill Belichek, Mike Tomlin, Theo Epstein, John Gruden/Madden hybrid, Harry Potter, Smokey and/or the Bandit could have given us a happy season this year. Let's just see how it plays out.
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They have more than some work to do. These were the exact same people that produced a 1000 yard rusher the previous year. Then this year, if our run game was an animal, even PETA would have agreed to put a bullett in it's head to put it out of it's misery. Who's that on? Players that suddenly aren't good enough anymore as Dooley intimates or is it a coaching and schematic flaw? I don't think the OL and RB's just started sucking during the offseason....
 
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Wezcoast said:
Coaches make mistakes and people have to remember Dooley doesn't have the HC experience Saban had coming into his LSU job much less Bama. He shouldn't have been hired here with his resume, but what's done is done. Show some patience and let him learn from his mistakes for a couple years before sending him packing. I wish someone would make him see that publicly trashing his players is a lose-lose situation though.
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I tend to agree with you. I would like to see him take up for the players in the media. This always makes me think of Kiffin and Crompton. Btw could you imagine what Dooley would've done or said if he'd had Kiffin's QBs??? He doesn't know how good he has it with Bray....
 
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pharmDvol11 said:
I tend to agree with you. I would like to see him take up for the players in the media. This always makes me think of Kiffin and Crompton. Btw could you imagine what Dooley would've done or said if he'd had Kiffin's QBs??? He doesn't know how good he has it with Bray....
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Pretty sure that he does know how good he has it. He has had simms who is worse than Crompton
 
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checkerboards09 said:
I haven't saw one post of somebody not supporting the team. Why can't some of you get that through your heads? Our coaching sucks and we want what's best for the players so we take it out on the coach and rightfully so.
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Every one has an opinion and thats ok, but when some one posts the same thing over and over and over I feel like they are trying to force It on me. If they say what they think and move on thats ok. Does this make sense?
 
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GLDunlap said:
I guess you don't live in Knoxville and listen to the daily practice reports. In fairness he was much worse last year.
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No I don't live in Knox' but I listen to Nash' and Chatt'.....which prob' are just as bad. If you base your assessments off talk show hosts.....then you need to listen to music more often!!!!

Have you ever heard the term "calling a spade a spade"????
 
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#143
rockytopbill2010 said:
Next year i dont care how easy the team or hard team i whould like to see our stadium full. B/C Dooley needs our fans in the worst way.
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Ummm, he is getting UT fans in the worst way... At least here on VN
Aiming for sarcasm, but unfortunately too true to be funny.
 
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JustFunnN'Orange said:
No I don't live in Knox' but I listen to Nash' and Chatt'.....which prob' are just as bad. If you base your assessments off talk show hosts.....then you need to listen to music more often!!!!

Have you ever heard the term "calling a spade a spade"????
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I'm not talking about talk show hosts. I was referring to Dooley's post practice interviews. Other then the understandable misunderstanding the rest of your post makes no sense. I'm outta here have beautiful Dooley dreams.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
I haven't saw one post of somebody not supporting the team. Why can't some of you get that through your heads? Our coaching sucks and we want what's best for the players so we take it out on the coach and rightfully so.
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So potentially undermining player confidence in their coaches and potentially harming the coaches' ability to bring in talent that can help the team win is "supporting the team"? You betcha.

I am not saying you "can't" or even shouldn't hold that opinion. I AM saying that contributing to negativism around the program does not help the program even if you feel justified in doing it... or even if it is deserved.
 
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ChaucerVol said:
You thinking kicking in high school and kicking in college is any different besides the level of pressure? Both were highly valued out of high school so i know they CAN kick. I think we can both agree on that. So if they could kick a football through yellow uprights in high school, yet struggle in college, you think Dooley is somehow making them worse? I think there's plenty of blame to go around, I just think it's odd that kicking is the aspect of the season you chose to point out as Dooley's fault. No question Dooley had his faults, i just don't know why you'd blame missed kicks on him and not the players themselves.
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Dooley is not making them worse, but he is ultimately responsible for the fact that they have steadily gotten much worse since arriving. He is responsible for reacting and correcting the situation, and he has shown he has no idea what to do.
 
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Voluvr said:
Imagine if #1 LSU lost their All American safety Reed and their back up safety. Their best defensive back, their best linebacker, both defensive ends, their best Def. lineman for part of the season, their best receiver, their center, the #1 and #2 quarterbacks and they have to rotate 15 freshmen to field a team and they have the toughest rated schedule in the country.....how good would they be this year? This is what we experienced. It's a lot to manage and a big distraction week to week that prevents a coach from focusing on the fine tune things like creating yes "creating" team leaders, enthusiasm, and time to discipline. We were on our heels all year. All of the above was NO fault of Dooley's. Right now Dave Hart's opinion is the only one that counts. I wish they had a site only for season ticket holders to voice opinions. I think it would be a little more patient and realistic.
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It's how he reacted to the situation that matters. No idea what to do. Clueless. But he's well paid to know what to do.
 
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ChaucerVol said:
No doubt there's good coaches out there who teach the mechanics of kicking but from my experience there's no amount of coaching that can break a bad kicking streak. You blame Mark McGuire when Albert Pujols went through a 27 at bat slump this year (or whatever it was)? I personally wouldn't ever put a missed kick(s) on a head coach.
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But when a FG is the difference in a win you'll credit the coach with the win?
 
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#150
FredWhite2 said:
Derek Dooley stepped into a job that NOBODY wanted.
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That is the only point that matters for all of you Fire Dooley believers out there. There is some false sense of the HC job at Tennessee being one of the most coveted...its not unfortunately. We are going to have to weather the storm and right the ship WITH DOOLEY whether you love or hate him. He is the only person who wanted the job, and most likely still is. Who wants to coach at a school that fires them after 2 seasons the second one having the hardest schedule in college football.
 
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