Crompton

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With the exception of the ULL game, of the drives JC came in and actually had to throw a pass, he threw an INT 50% of the time... Against back ups...

I've never said the kid is not talented and I've never said he wasn't all Vol, I want to see him succeed as much as anyone in the world. Me being from Chattanooga means absolutely nothing, I said GR was a scrub from day 1, and AT BEST, I wasn't far off, he was from Chattanooga. I say Bolden is a HUGE disappointment, he is from Chattanooga. So get off that.

All you have seen of JC is his HS film, practice, and warmups. Any gametime he has gotten has been garbage time, with the exception of the LSU and Arky games last year, and if your optimism is based of those two games, then you need to look in the mirror before criticizing my bias.

All I have seen of BJ is his hs film, practice and warmups, and to me he looks as athletic and with a better arm. If I couple that with the fact that from what I have seen, JC's decision making ability is almost as good Lamarcus Coker's. That brings me to the conclusion that I believe BJ is the best way for us to go. If BJ were from Scranton, PA, I'd say the same thing. Being all Vol doesn't make you better, not throwing INT's against back up defenses does.

Throw rocks if you want to disagree, I couldn't care less, but it's got nothing to do with where anyone is from.
 
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You are gonna judge Crompton on some games where we were either getting blown out or winning by 50 and we were seeing how far we could hurl the ball down the field? How about we let him prepare for a game and let our OC get him into a rythm before judging him.
 
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GoVols817 said:
With the exception of the ULL game, of the drives JC came in and actually had to throw a pass, he threw an INT 50% of the time... Against back ups...

I've never said the kid is not talented and I've never said he wasn't all Vol, I want to see him succeed as much as anyone in the world. Me being from Chattanooga means absolutely nothing, I said GR was a scrub from day 1, and AT BEST, I wasn't far off, he was from Chattanooga. I say Bolden is a HUGE disappointment, he is from Chattanooga. So get off that.

All you have seen of JC is his HS film, practice, and warmups. Any gametime he has gotten has been garbage time, with the exception of the LSU and Arky games last year, and if your optimism is based of those two games, then you need to look in the mirror before criticizing my bias.

All I have seen of BJ is his hs film, practice and warmups, and to me he looks as athletic and with a better arm. If I couple that with the fact that from what I have seen, JC's decision making ability is almost as good Lamarcus Coker's. That brings me to the conclusion that I believe BJ is the best way for us to go. If BJ were from Scranton, PA, I'd say the same thing. Being all Vol doesn't make you better, not throwing INT's against back up defenses does.

Throw rocks if you want to disagree, I couldn't care less, but it's got nothing to do with where anyone is from.
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I'm gonna throw few rocks.

Comparing the decision making abilities of JC to Coker is so off base and uncalled for, it's not even funny. That's out there at Pluto bro.

Comparing JC game time v. BJC is not a good argument either. Seeing as how BJC has NO experience whereas JC has 2 full games against 2 top notch defenses... I have to give the edge to JC. High school film versus big time college experince is night/day.

If Coleman is that good, he'll get his shot. We'll see in the spring.
 
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presumably, our opinions won't matter and the staff will put the player who gives us the best chance of winning on the field.
 
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CovVol said:
I'm gonna throw few rocks.

Comparing the decision making abilities of JC to Coker is so off base and uncalled for, it's not even funny. That's out there at Pluto bro.

Comparing JC game time v. BJC is not a good argument either. Seeing as how BJC has NO experience whereas JC has 2 full games against 2 top notch defenses... I have to give the edge to JC. High school film versus big time college experince is night/day.

If Coleman is that good, he'll get his shot. We'll see in the spring.
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Then I'm uncalled for I guess, and couldn't give a damn where you think it is.

I didn't compare anything JC did to BJC in a game. Not even close. Ever, at no time did I come close to saying anything remotely close to that. I very clearly omitted any opinion on what BJ can or would do in a college game.

I never said Coleman is any measure of good, I'm merely saying he is AT LEAST Crompton's equal based on what any of us could have seen. For all you guys that think JC is THAT talented, if he was, we wouldn't have played with a 4 fingered QB all year. He threw bad INT's, not just heaving the football. So don't go there.

Nobody knows, but I have the right to have my opinion just like anyone else, and it has nothing to do with where I live. I know what I see on the field, and JC looks alot to me like Brandon Stewart, not too bad, but the guy standing next to him looks special, and I don't want us to be wrong on this one b/c of class.
 
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GoVols817 said:
I know what I see on the field, and JC looks alot to me like Brandon Stewart, not too bad, but the guy standing next to him looks special, and I don't want us to be wrong on this one b/c of class.
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Well hell BJ isn't going to die this year. He is going to be here 4 more years! This isn't a do or die year. If Crompton sucks then Coleman can step in if he earns it. I just want to avoid starting a freshman QB if at all possible. He will be much better starting as a Junior.
 
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some good banter goiong on here, i think they each get a fair shot @ it in the spring with JC getting a slight edge
 
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TheHill09 said:
Well hell BJ isn't going to die this year. He is going to be here 4 more years! This isn't a do or die year. If Crompton sucks then Coleman can step in if he earns it. I just want to avoid starting a freshman QB if at all possible. He will be much better starting as a Junior.
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I understand that and that's fine, once again, I want JC to succeed, if it's good for UT, then I want it.

However, I don't want us to be 2-4 before we realize the best QB we have is on the bench. We don't necessary have a "bad" track record with freshman QBs. With a new OC, new system, to me, both QBs will be equally experience in the system and talent will win out.
 
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GoVols817 said:
Then I'm uncalled for I guess, and couldn't give a damn where you think it is.
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Yes you do or you wouldnt have replied... you do have the right to whatever opinion you want, however misguided it is. All I was saying is that it isnt right for you to compare a guy that has done everything right off the field to a guy that couldnt keep his nose clean after given the honor of representing the University of Tennessee. It's at best a bad comparison.

As to your arguement that Coleman is as good.... no one is going to know till the Spring. BUT... if he was so special and as talented as Crompton, why isnt he backing Ainge up Instead of Crompton? He's got alot of ground to make up on Crompton, I just dont see t happening.
 
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CovVol said:
Yes you do or you wouldnt have replied... you do have the right to whatever opinion you want, however misguided it is. All I was saying is that it isnt right for you to compare a guy that has done everything right off the field to a guy that couldnt keep his nose clean after given the honor of representing the University of Tennessee. It's at best a bad comparison.

As to your arguement that Coleman is as good.... no one is going to know till the Spring. BUT... if he was so special and as talented as Crompton, why isnt he backing Ainge up Instead of Crompton? He's got alot of ground to make up on Crompton, I just dont see t happening.
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I can answer that one for you. Coleman redshirted this year.
 
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CovVol said:
Yes you do or you wouldnt have replied... you do have the right to whatever opinion you want, however misguided it is. All I was saying is that it isnt right for you to compare a guy that has done everything right off the field to a guy that couldnt keep his nose clean after given the honor of representing the University of Tennessee. It's at best a bad comparison.

As to your arguement that Coleman is as good.... no one is going to know till the Spring. BUT... if he was so special and as talented as Crompton, why isnt he backing Ainge up Instead of Crompton? He's got alot of ground to make up on Crompton, I just dont see t happening.
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Your viewpoint is way too reasonable.....you must not be from Chattanooga....

Look, we all enjoy seeing local atheletes compete and then come to UT. Nothing wrong with cheering the local kid on......but, at the expense of dismissing a kid who has bled orange and done everything asked of him to do....I think is way too far. If you put Coleman in situations like Crompton was put in.....do you honestly think he would have faired better against college atheletes?
 
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rockytophigh said:
If you put Coleman in situations like Crompton was put in.....do you honestly think he would have faired better against college atheletes?
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He might.. I dont know. I'm just going by what I have witnessed personally. I just dont think you can overlook a pretty good performance by Crompton last year when evaluating who is going to start next year. Coleman hasnt had the chance and he might never, so the talk of what he would do is moot because you cant compare the high school game to the college game for fact, you can only translate it to what it might be. The spring will give us more answers


TheHill09 said:
I can answer that one for you. Coleman redshirted this year.
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Different situations but Shuler,Manning,Stewart, Martin, Clausen, or Ainge werent redshirted.
 
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Endless debate, it's fine, I am not going to continue this since some posters have trouble reading the words "It doesn't matter to me where they are from" when they are put together. I wonder how long it took you to realize what "don't piss on your leg" meant when your mom kept saying it over and over.

As far as my comparison, JC has been a bad decision maker on the field, LC was a bad decision maker off, both bad decision makers, not sure why you have to make that more than it is. Did I compare their characters? No, mountains.... molehills....

I haven't dismissed anyone, I don't want anyone to fail, I appreciate any kid who wants to wear orange. Is that clear enough? My personal opinion is that BJC is our best option at QB, and I have my basis for it. Is that clear enough. Do I need to spell it out again that it has nothing to do with hometowns, or are other factors being considered just way too complicated for some folks to process?
 
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GoVols817 said:
As far as my comparison, JC has been a bad decision maker on the field, LC was a bad decision maker off, both bad decision makers, not sure why you have to make that more than it is. Did I compare their characters? No, mountains.... molehills....
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If you had said that at the start, no harm done. It was the way it was worded.

:peace2:
 
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CovVol said:
Different situations but Shuler,Manning,Stewart, Martin, Clausen, or Ainge werent redshirted.
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Exactly. If Ainge had gotten injured and couldn't play the entire season, Coleman's redshirt would have been pulled.
 
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CovVol said:
Different situations but Shuler,Manning,Stewart, Martin, Clausen, or Ainge werent redshirted.
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Manning and Stewart both would have been had Colquitt not been hurt. Shuler, Martin, Clausen and Ainge either all had an unestablished starter or NO backup in front of. Want to talk about bad comparisons? BJC had a 3 year starter and a RS Soph in front, no reason to waste eligibility.
 
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CovVol said:
If you had said that at the start, no harm done. It was the way it was worded.

:peace2:
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The way it was worded? Are you kidding me? I said JC has the decision making skills of LC, that's all I said, there was nothing there indicating anything about character, you just made something out of nothing.
 
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CovVol said:
I just dont think you can overlook a pretty good performance by Crompton last year when evaluating who is going to start next year.
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If you call his overall performance last year pretty good then I see why we disagree, our standards are very very different.
 
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GoVols817 said:
The way it was worded? Are you kidding me? I said JC has the decision making skills of LC, that's all I said, there was nothing there indicating anything about character, you just made something out of nothing.
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It's a tenuous analogy when one guy is throwing interceptions and the other guy is failing drug tests.
 
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GoVols817 said:
Manning and Stewart both would have been had Colquitt not been hurt. Shuler, Martin, Clausen and Ainge either all had an unestablished starter or NO backup in front of. Want to talk about bad comparisons? BJC had a 3 year starter and a RS Soph in front, no reason to waste eligibility.
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Thst's why I stated that the situations were different.

IF either one of them were THAT good, they would be in front of Ainge and not behind him. IF Ainge had gone down Crompton would've started because Coleman is not there yet and I dont think he will be next year either. IMHO.
 
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CovVol said:
Thst's why I stated that the situations were different.

IF either one of them were THAT good, they would be in front of Ainge and not behind him. IF Ainge had gone down Crompton would've started because Coleman is not there yet and I dont think he will be next year either. IMHO.
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If Ainge went down, Coleman would have gotten an opportunity in 2007. There was no reason to make him waste a year of eligibility sitting on the bench and/or playing mop-up duty. Hell, if we could redshirt Crompton again this year, we would have.
 
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GAVol said:
It's a tenuous analogy when one guy is throwing interceptions and the other guy is failing drug tests.
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Are they both bad decisions? Don't make more than it is, just answer that question, if you can't w/o making it more, then just stay out of it. Are both of those things bad decisions? Bad decisions of a different kind, yes, but bad decisions nonetheless.
 
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kptvol said:
If Ainge went down, Coleman would have gotten an opportunity in 2007. There was no reason to make him waste a year of eligibility sitting on the bench and/or playing mop-up duty. Hell, if we could redshirt Crompton again this year, we would have.
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If Ainge had broken his leg vs Cal, then BJC would have played more snaps this year than JC. Our coach's confidence in JC shined thru when he played 0 meaningful snaps early in the year when Erik was clearly hurt.
 
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GoVols817 said:
If you call his overall performance last year pretty good then I see why we disagree, our standards are very very different.
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Manning didnt fare too well when thrown into the fire against UCLA in his first game either. Ainge called a TO with 15 minutes left in the 1st Q in his 1st start against Auburn. Shuler go bombed in his 1st BIG start against UF.

Crompton was thrown in against one of the best defenses in the nation against LSU and a pretty talented defense at Ar-Kansas and didnt beat the brakes off of them but he put the Vols in a very good position to beat LSU and our D was overwhelmed against Ar-Kansas. He was not expected to beat either of them by himself and did and admirable job against LSU... you cannot ask for anything more for a guy getting his first real playing time.

Did you honostly expect him to set records against these guys?
 
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