Crompton

[GAVol]

Are they both bad decisions? Don't make more than it is, just answer that question, if you can't w/o making it more, then just stay out of it. Are both of those things bad decisions? Bad decisions of a different kind, yes, but bad decisions nonetheless.

I guess they both should have just said no.

 

[kptvol]

If Ainge had broken his leg vs Cal, then BJC would have played more snaps this year than JC. Our coach's confidence in JC shined thru when he played 0 meaningful snaps early in the year when Erik was clearly hurt.

I'm not sure about that, but I do think BJ would have had his redshirt pulled and he'd get some meaningful snaps.

 

[CovVol]

I guess they both should have just said no.

:lolabove:

 

[GoVols817]

Manning didnt fare too well when thrown into the fire against UCLA in his first game either. Ainge called a TO with 15 minutes left in the 1st Q in his 1st start against Auburn. Shuler go bombed in his 1st BIG start against UF.

Crompton was thrown in against one of the best defenses in the nation against LSU and a pretty talented defense at Ar-Kansas and didnt beat the brakes off of them but he put the Vols in a very good position to beat LSU and our D was overwhelmed against Ar-Kansas. He was not expected to beat either of them by himself and did and admirable job against LSU... you cannot ask for anything more for a guy getting his first real playing time.

Did you honostly expect him to set records against these guys?

This is over for a couple of reasons.

1) To compare anything JC did to anything PM did is just idiocy. PM was a true freshman, JC was a RS. PM was on the road and JC was at home. We had set our offense up to run alot of option that year, so PM had to play in an offense that had prepared opposite of his style.

2) You said pretty good performance. Not "pretty good for backup." I've had this discussion too many times, he threw 1 good ball against LSU. The rest were borderline HORRID. He looked terrible against Arky and almost blew the game at USC b/c he wanted to change a play when he'd directly been told not to do so.

3) I've never said I expected anything. You are praising a guy for doing an admirable job of 0-2, as I stated earlier, our expectations are different.

 

[CovVol]

I'm not sure about that, but I do think BJ would have had his redshirt pulled and he'd get some meaningful snaps.

I agree, but to continue the what if's... if Crompton had performed like I believe he can, the snaps would have been limited... as much as Crompton's were this year in a land with no what-ifs.

 

[CovVol]

This is over for a couple of reasons.

1) To compare anything JC did to anything PM did is just idiocy. PM was a true freshman, JC was a RS. PM was on the road and JC was at home. We had set our offense up to run alot of option that year, so PM had to play in an offense that had prepared opposite of his style.

2) You said pretty good performance. Not "pretty good for backup." I've had this discussion too many times, he threw 1 good ball against LSU. The rest were borderline HORRID. He looked terrible against Arky and almost blew the game at USC b/c he wanted to change a play when he'd directly been told not to do so.

3) I've never said I expected anything. You are praising a guy for doing an admirable job of 0-2, as I stated earlier, our expectations are different.

It's over because you say so... ok :worship: GoVols817

1) Why is it so crazy to compare... no one knew if PM was going to do anything in 1994. It was all potential. He had done as much in that point of his career as BJC has.

2)If he was sooooooo HORRID... why didnt they lose by 6 TDs?

3)So you have no expectations but our expectations are different? Since you havent stated the expectations that you dont have and since I dont have telepathic powers, my guesses on the expectations that you dont have but are different will have to suffice.

 

[GoVols817]

I said that I never said I expected any certain thing out of JC. Expectations of one player and expectations of results are two different things, or is that too complicated for you?

The difference between us is that if I say the QB of my team had a "pretty good performance", then my team isn't 0-2 in the games I'm talking about.

Dude, we are just on different wavelengths. Go back and watch the games JC QB'd, don't watch the scoreboard, watch the quality of his play, it was terrible. PM coming into the opening game on the road as a true freshman b/c of injuries to two QBs is TOTALLY different than Erik being hurt for 2 weeks, being doubtful and JC getting the majority of the snaps in practice, as a RS Freshman no less.

 

[CovVol]

I said that I never said I expected any certain thing out of JC. Expectations of one player and expectations of results are two different things, or is that too complicated for you?

The difference between us is that if I say the QB of my team had a "pretty good performance", then my team isn't 0-2 in the games I'm talking about.

Dude, we are just on different wavelengths. Go back and watch the games JC QB'd, don't watch the scoreboard, watch the quality of his play, it was terrible. PM coming into the opening game on the road as a true freshman b/c of injuries to two QBs is TOTALLY different than Erik being hurt for 2 weeks, being doubtful and JC getting the majority of the snaps in practice, as a
RS Freshman no less.

Yeah...ok.... Quantum Physics is too comlicated for me... perhaps trying to decrypt your secret messages are about the same 'wavelength'... I dont know.

The quality of play the Crompton had was exactly where 99.9% of freshmen are... he played a bit better. And the PM thing... you make a good point but still... he played as good as any freshman was expected to play... same as Crompton 'no less'.

OK... now I'm done... my apolgies. I have to go watch football... flame on.

 

[volbreaker]

Im defiently not sold on Crompton, with that said neither am I on Coleman. I have seen them both play live and I just dont know.

....then let NS be your security blanket. He will get PT or transfer. Somebody said earlier that they "hope we can get out of the freshman QB urge". I agree, but, moreover, I'd like to see us run more QB's in general. We have the horses....use 'em.

 

[rockytophigh]

I said that I never said I expected any certain thing out of JC. Expectations of one player and expectations of results are two different things, or is that too complicated for you?

The difference between us is that if I say the QB of my team had a "pretty good performance", then my team isn't 0-2 in the games I'm talking about.

Dude, we are just on different wavelengths. Go back and watch the games JC QB'd, don't watch the scoreboard, watch the quality of his play, it was terrible. PM coming into the opening game on the road as a true freshman b/c of injuries to two QBs is TOTALLY different than Erik being hurt for 2 weeks, being doubtful and JC getting the majority of the snaps in practice, as a RS Freshman no less.

I just got off the phone with my mom.....it's confirmed.....she did not have to tell me to stop peeing on my leg. Maybe that only happened in "your" house? :crazy: Seriously dude, why the anger....let go man, we haven't even seen either one of them for real yet & you've already made your mind up.....wuuusaaa.....wuuusaaa.....wuusaa. Say it with me!:victory:

 

[GoVols817]

There's no anger at all. It's frustration that comes from saying the term "Where they are from has nothing to do with anything" and multiple after that referencing being from Chattanooga. It's simply the ability to understand what you are told, so it stands to reason that if you don't understand me saying that, then you probably pissed on yourself for an extended amount of time.

 

[SWIL]

That's one thing I'm really hoping to see happen. We need to get out of this cycle that we've been in where we have to play freshmen at QB.

Hear, Hear! eace2:

 

[sjt18]

All you have seen of JC is his HS film, practice, and warmups. Any gametime he has gotten has been garbage time, with the exception of the LSU and Arky games last year, and if your optimism is based of those two games, then you need to look in the mirror before criticizing my bias.

Hardly. JC came in and did a very admirable job under very difficult conditions in those two games.

Saying there's no bias involved is just not believable. Sorry but there is nothing I've seen but your warm-up testimonial that suggests BJ is physically more skilled at this point... he's 3 years behind in the program and has zero game experience.

I'm all for the best guy... and until the guy who was a last minute upgrade to 4* proves he's more gifted than the guy who took awards at the Army AA game and was a Parade AA... I'll continue to accept that JC is the more gifted player.

All I have seen of BJ is his hs film, practice and warmups, and to me he looks as athletic and with a better arm.

So you've seen one guy but not so much the other... and even though the other has proven he can compete in the SEC... your declaring BJ better? That's what it sounds like.

If I couple that with the fact that from what I have seen, JC's decision making ability is almost as good Lamarcus Coker's. That brings me to the conclusion that I believe BJ is the best way for us to go.

That's inane. Decision making? JC has HAD to make decisions at a level that BJ has never played at.

The "best way to go" won't be determined by what you decide before spring practice and both guys get to compete.

FTR, BJ doesn't just have to jump one guy on the depth chart. Stephens has been said to have the strongest arm of any QB in the CPF era. His arm strength was favorably compared to Heath Shuler's... who had one of the strongest arms in the history of the SEC. If that's true or even close then he's JC's biggest immediate rival.

Throw rocks if you want to disagree, I couldn't care less, but it's got nothing to do with where anyone is from.

Right now it's got nothing to do with anything. You're saying BJ is better based on warm-up throws when alot of the older guys might be a little inclined to go through the motions.

You obviously care since you've responded like you have.

 

[sjt18]

Your viewpoint is way too reasonable.....you must not be from Chattanooga....

Look, we all enjoy seeing local atheletes compete and then come to UT. Nothing wrong with cheering the local kid on......but, at the expense of dismissing a kid who has bled orange and done everything asked of him to do....I think is way too far. If you put Coleman in situations like Crompton was put in.....do you honestly think he would have faired better against college atheletes?

Crompton is no less local than BJ. Waynesville may even be a little close to UTK than Chattanooga.

UT has long owned the best of WNC. The only one's that got away were Jimmy Streater's younger bros (UNC) and Sam Gash (Penn St). They got Jimmy, Leonard Little, Mickey Marvin, Heath Shuler, Shawn Bryson, Carl Pickens, and Crompton.

 

[sjt18]

Are they both bad decisions?

NO. There's absolutely NO correlation between making a mistake of throwing into coverage in spot work and violating a drug policy 4 times.

That was plain stupid and you should just admit that it was a bad comparison and go on.

You're wrong about declaring JC a bad decision maker on the field with his limited experience... and without knowing if the break downs weren't the fault of the WR's... but there's no reason to complicate that and make it personal with that type of analogy. Besides, what you witnessed to compare the two wasn't that BJ makes better decisions... it was that you think he has better athletic skills. Nothing from any practice report or any other quality comparison of the true says that... just your expertise of observing warm ups.

Bad decisions of a different kind, yes, but bad decisions nonetheless.

Bad decisions that aren't even comparable or related in any way, shape, or form... therefore a completely invalid analogy.

 

[kptvol]

I think it's fairly obvious the guy was making a joke. You could say it isn't funny, but I can't believe the in-depth analysis the comparison has gotten.

 

[GoVols817]

Dude, I've gone over and over this, so this will be limited. If you base who you think is more talented on how many stars a recruiting service gave them, then you haven't paid very much attention to the amount of 4 and 5 stars we've gotten and the results they've gotten us.

Your quoting is cute. You choose to pick one sentence out of a constructed point and criticize it. I have seen both JC and BJ in live game action at one level or another, warm ups and practice, yet you choose to pick out warmups. Why? I'm not sure.

As far as my comparison, I'm not going there again. Make it want you want, be a martyr and talk about how sorry I am for comparing something i wasn't comparing. They both have shown me a tendency to make bad decisions. Period.

I care about UT football and love discussing about it. I was saying I couldn't care less if people disagree, but my guess is you were also one of the ones who pissed on yourself for a very long time, b/c somehow you couldn't figure that out.

 

[sjt18]

This is over for a couple of reasons.

1) To compare anything JC did to anything PM did is just idiocy. PM was a true freshman, JC was a RS. PM was on the road and JC was at home. We had set our offense up to run alot of option that year, so PM had to play in an offense that had prepared opposite of his style.

JC had shoulder surgery his Fr year... the comparison is a good one.

Also, Colquitt was primarily a drop back passer. He had good feet but UT wasn't going to run the option very much. PM probably had as many rushing TD's as Colquitt would have.

2) You said pretty good performance. Not "pretty good for backup." I've had this discussion too many times, he threw 1 good ball against LSU. The rest were borderline HORRID.

And you are seriously claiming there is no bias involved here?

To add to the point about Ark... they put a couple of DB's in the NFL after that season and shut UT's WR's down with press coverage... that had little to do with JC.

almost blew the game at USC b/c he wanted to change a play when he'd directly been told not to do so.

You'd have a point except that you don't. The coaches specifically said after the game that he was doing EXACTLY what he'd been coached to do and that they had not told him to do any different.

Again, you give every evidence of having an unreasonable bias against the guy. He may be great. He may be terrible.... but he hasn't done a single thing so far that inexperienced guys don't do whether they end up great or terrible.

3) I've never said I expected anything. You are praising a guy for doing an admirable job of 0-2, as I stated earlier, our expectations are different.

So you expect a RS Fr in his first real action to beat the most talented team in the country and the West winner in consecutive weeks? The only way that could have been accomplished is if the guys around him really picked it up. They did against LSU and almost won the game (remember the 2006 D was probably Chavis' second worst)... they played awful as a whole against Ark.

If you expect a RS Fr to put the team on his shoulders and carry them in that situation then yes we have different expectations... your's are completely beyond the realm of reason.

 

[GoVols817]

I think it's fairly obvious the guy was making a joke. You could say it isn't funny, but I can't believe the in-depth analysis the comparison has gotten.

That's what people with smaller minds do, they pick one part of a subject and pick it apart instead of just discussing the overall subject.

Sometimes I wonder why I come here or even engage in conversation with anyone other than a select few who don't argue like women about who I've insulted.

 

[GoVols817]

How many posts are you going to make just towards me? OK, you don't agree, fine...

PS: You lost ALL credibility when you say Jerry was a dropback passer and we weren't running the option much. He was hurt.........running.....the.....option....

 

[sjt18]

Dude, I've gone over and over this, so this will be limited. If you base who you think is more talented on how many stars a recruiting service gave them, then you haven't paid very much attention to the amount of 4 and 5 stars we've gotten and the results they've gotten us.

Dude, if you base who you think is more talented on your observations of warm ups...

I don't KNOW who is more talented. The recruiting services said Crompton. BTW, I didn't just cite them. JC was a Parade AA which is a different type of evaluation. He not only went to the Army AA... he won awards from the staff there.

Your quoting is cute. You choose to pick one sentence out of a constructed point and criticize it.

So? If you can't defend what you say then just say so. If I take something out of context then say so. But don't just protest because I won't bow down before your supposed superiority.

I have seen both JC and BJ in live game action at one level or another, warm ups and practice, yet you choose to pick out warmups. Why? I'm not sure.

Because it is the only thing you've mentioned where you are comparing them on an apples to apples basis. Did you go watch JC play in HS multiple times?

When have you seen them in practice? That would be interesting but if it were something of great merit... that would have been the place to start... although the coaches DO put guys in situations appropriate for their level even in practice. It still wouldn't be a perfect apples to apples.

As far as my comparison, I'm not going there again. Make it want you want, be a martyr and talk about how sorry I am for comparing something i wasn't comparing. They both have shown me a tendency to make bad decisions. Period.

So basically you are so proud that making a comparison that is invalid and could even be considered a slander of a guy's character that you won't under any circumstances just say, "You guys are right, it was a bad comparison"?

I care about UT football and love discussing about it. I was saying I couldn't care less if people disagree, but my guess is you were also one of the ones who pissed on yourself for a very long time, b/c somehow you couldn't figure that out.

If you have a real point, make it. If you don't then why write stupid things like this?

I'm saying that you are wrong in declaring BJ the better QB at this point. He may come out in spring and prove it. I have no dog in that fight other than the success of the Vols. But if you are really basing that evaluation on what you've written here then it isn't a well reasoned opinion.

BTW, if you are basing your opinion on what you DID see BJ do in HS without comparing it to WHAT JC did (ie through what the recruiting services said about both or direct observation) then how can you claim you have no bias?

If you are saying what you saw BJ do is relevant but what JC did is irrelevant... that IS bias.

 

[CovVol]

That's what people with smaller minds do, they pick one part of a subject and pick it apart instead of just discussing the overall subject.

Sometimes I wonder why I come here or even engage in conversation with anyone other than a select few who don't argue like women about who I've insulted.

You offer comment up and tell us to throw rocks and rocks are thrown and now you WHINE about it? What did you expect? Oh... wait... dont answer that... I'll have to call the Naval Cryptology department to answer that one... you have the expectations that arent real... but they are..... not. LOL!!!! Your last sentence is the best... I just pissed myself.... but I guess I do that alot anyway.... no worries.

 

[sjt18]

How many posts are you going to make just towards me? OK, you don't agree, fine...

As many as it takes to oppose the errors you keep posting... I'm in that kind of mood.

PS: You lost ALL credibility when you say Jerry was a dropback passer and we weren't running the option much. He was hurt.........running.....the.....option....

Jerry ran basically the same O as Heath Shuler did the year before. The option was used primarily in short yardage situations. UT DID NOT install an option based offense with Colquitt. In fact, Jerry gave Heath a real push for the job when both guys were Sophomores... and that info comes from my direct relationship with the family of one of the guys.

 

[sjt18]

That's what people with smaller minds do, they pick one part of a subject and pick it apart instead of just discussing the overall subject.

Sometimes I wonder why I come here or even engage in conversation with anyone other than a select few who don't argue like women about who I've insulted.

I've argued and provided evidence against your overall point. What exactly do you want? Do you want to use any tactic however invalid to try to prove your point and have no one object? Sorry. Doesn't work that way.

Your major point is that you think BJ is better. As evidence you've offered these things: what BJ did in HS, what JC has done against SEC competition, and you expert evaluations of their warm up performances.

Sorry. But that isn't the foundation for making any kind of definitive declaration.

JC will start spring #1 on the depth chart. It is very likely that Stephens will get his shot before BJ does.

I am fine with whoever wins the job and am not DECLARING that the winner will be JC... just that he's currently the most likely and has done the most to prove he's the most qualified.

I also object to your stating as fact that BJ is more physically gifted based on warm-ups....

... Now, please show me where I haven't followed you...

 

[kptvol]

Jerry ran basically the same O as Heath Shuler did the year before.

No offense, but how exactly do you know one way or the other?