Crompton vs Reality

#51
#51
VolsZealot said:
The whole offense sucks right now. Not just crompton. some of the recievers couldnt catch a cold and the o-line isnt really helping the situaution at all. Of course we all know the coaching situation. Crompton definatley has problems but lets try not to put all the blame on him.
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Crompton is a huge part of the problem
 
#53
#53
VolsZealot said:
well what I was really getting at is if fulmer could just switch qbs to save his own skin wouldnt he have done that? If all it took was putting in stevens or one of the other backups to turn things around it seems like that would have been done. Are the others really that bad?
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gotcha. i think that says a lot about our back up qb situation.
 
#54
#54
If we're not going to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield, just put G Jones in as QB and let him wreak some havoc. He may be our best WR, but thats not worth a damn unless we can utilize him on a consistent basis. Hell, give Berry a shot back there. Those are two guys who could be stars on any team in the country, and we are going to waste them because of loyalty to a kid who has bided his time? I've always been realistic about Fulmer and what he's been able to accomplish, but something drastic is going to have to happen because on October 4th when NI comes to Knoxville and we're 1-3, the team will be lucky if 90,000 people show up. Oh, the horror.
 
#55
#55
jakez4ut said:
gotcha. i think that says a lot about our back up qb situation.
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seriously if the back ups are that much worse than crompton. we all need to pray that crompton doesnt get hurt. I dont want to see things get any worse than they are now.
 
#56
#56
VolsZealot said:
seriously if the back ups are that much worse than crompton. we all need to pray that crompton doesnt get hurt. I dont want to see things get any worse than they are now.
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The problems we have right now are not the types that are fixable in a week or even a month. Look forward to a long season
 
#57
#57
VolsZealot said:
seriously if the back ups are that much worse than crompton. we all need to pray that crompton doesnt get hurt. I dont want to see things get any worse than they are now.
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I am not convinced (mainly because we haven't seen them much) that the backups aren't as good as Crompton. I think Fulmer might just be too hardheaded and has too much ego to play them. Auburn might be the breaking point though.
 
#58
#58
Gcrop said:
I am not convinced (mainly because we haven't seen them much) that the backups aren't as good as Crompton. I think Fulmer might just be too hardheaded and has too much ego to play them. Auburn might be the breaking point though.
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You might be right. Although I would think with all the heat Fulmer is taking if the back ups were any better he would start one of them or at least put them in the game at some meaningful point. I admire loyalty. I think crompton deserved a chance. IMO though unless things turn around quickly that chance will come to an end.
 
#59
#59
An interesting sidebar to this hole discussion is comparing our QB question to LSU's last year. Matt Flynn came in with relatively little experience, a la Crompton, and not only managed but excelled. Now he's in the pros. Why can't Crompton do it? Is it mark of how far we've fallen below LSU? It'd be interesting to know what Flynn was rated coming out of high school compared to Crompton.
 
#60
#60
Crompton vs Reality is the perfect title for this thread, especially after listening to him on the locker room show after the UCLA and Florida games.
 
#61
#61
spudvol said:
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If there's not some improvement against Auburn, the Vols will then look seriously at trying to get Nick Stephens some time in the Northern Illinois game.
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Why wait until the No. Ill game?? That's just stupid. If Crompton can't get it done in the 1st half of the Auburn game, pull his ass. He hasn't shown us much to be excited about or to put faith in thus far in the first three games. Bench him.

How bad can Stephens really screw things up? Before you all flame away, seriously think about that. If we lose with our starting QB, what's the difference in losing with our backup QB who may actually be the better player. I've seen all the talk about "if Stephens was better than Crompton, he'd be starting" but at this point what do we really have to lose??

Crompton sucks. The faster Phill and his posse realize that, we might be able to make something happen on offense.
 
#62
#62
colorado king said:
Why wait until the No. Ill game?? That's just stupid. If Crompton can't get it done in the 1st half of the Auburn game, pull his ass. He hasn't shown us much to be excited about or to put faith in thus far in the first three games. Bench him.

How bad can Stephens really screw things up? Before you all flame away, seriously think about that. If we lose with our starting QB, what's the difference in losing with our backup QB who may actually be the better player. I've seen all the talk about "if Stephens was better than Crompton, he'd be starting" but at this point what do we really have to lose??

Crompton sucks. The faster Phill and his posse realize that, we might be able to make something happen on offense.
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I agree with that. You can work in a backup quarterback for a couple or so series just to get him some work. It's not like Crompton is burning up the woods or anything. I highly suspect that a bad showing this week will prompt some changes.
 
#63
#63
defaultusername said:
An interesting sidebar to this hole discussion is comparing our QB question to LSU's last year. Matt Flynn came in with relatively little experience, a la Crompton, and not only managed but excelled. Now he's in the pros. Why can't Crompton do it? Is it mark of how far we've fallen below LSU? It'd be interesting to know what Flynn was rated coming out of high school compared to Crompton.
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They were both 4* per Rivals.
 
#65
#65
Legitimate and earnest questions:

Since JC is struggling and has been since the beginning of the season, why wouldn't you run it more to give him time to get comfortable? Is it because you can't? (Talent issue) Or is it because your coaches aren't willing to? (Coaching issue)
 
#66
#66
lawgator1 said:
Legitimate and earnest questions:

Since JC is struggling and has been since the beginning of the season, why wouldn't you run it more to give him time to get comfortable? Is it because you can't? (Talent issue) Or is it because your coaches aren't willing to? (Coaching issue)
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We've averages running it 35 times a game. So have Georgia, Mississippi, and LSU.

We've averaged passing it 34 time a game.
 
#67
#67
colorado king said:
Why wait until the No. Ill game?? That's just stupid. If Crompton can't get it done in the 1st half of the Auburn game, pull his ass. He hasn't shown us much to be excited about or to put faith in thus far in the first three games. Bench him.

How bad can Stephens really screw things up? Before you all flame away, seriously think about that. If we lose with our starting QB, what's the difference in losing with our backup QB who may actually be the better player. I've seen all the talk about "if Stephens was better than Crompton, he'd be starting" but at this point what do we really have to lose??

Crompton sucks. The faster Phat Phill and his posse realize that, we might be able to make something happen on offense.
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Pretty much word for word what I have been preaching in this thread. If by midway through the 3rd quarter Crompton has been sucking as usual and we are down by 3 or 4 TD's, I might be heading back to Chattanooga in hopes of catching the UGA-Alabama game.
 
#68
#68
lawgator1 said:
Legitimate and earnest questions:

Since JC is struggling and has been since the beginning of the season, why wouldn't you run it more to give him time to get comfortable? Is it because you can't? (Talent issue) Or is it because your coaches aren't willing to? (Coaching issue)
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As bad as Crompton is, I lay the blame on Clawsen. We would have easily won the UCLA if we had just had a 50-50 Run/Pass ratio, we were running all over them. A good offensive coordinater not only has a good scheme (it's impossible to tell at this point), but he also calls plays to maximize the talent he has. Clawsen has not done that this year.
 
#69
#69
reecebobby said:
if we're not going to throw the ball more than 10 yards downfield, just put g jones in as qb and let him wreak some havoc. He may be our best wr, but thats not worth a damn unless we can utilize him on a consistent basis. Hell, give berry a shot back there. Those are two guys who could be stars on any team in the country, and we are going to waste them because of loyalty to a kid who has bided his time? I've always been realistic about fulmer and what he's been able to accomplish, but something drastic is going to have to happen because on october 4th when ni comes to knoxville and we're 1-3, the team will be lucky if 60,000 people show up. oh, the horror.
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fyp
 
#70
#70
Crompton knows he hasn't played very well..
he's just still nervous or something
he really needs to get his confidence up ..
aka eric ainge 2005
 
#72
#72
chidave said:
As bad as Crompton is, I lay the blame on Clawsen. We would have easily won the UCLA if we had just had a 50-50 Run/Pass ratio, we were running all over them. A good offensive coordinater not only has a good scheme (it's impossible to tell at this point), but he also calls plays to maximize the talent he has. Clawsen has not done that this year.
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The third sentence is true, but the other three don't correlate to it at all.

Back when Spurrier was at Florida, his teams had obscenely high yards/carry numbers. The reason was that he used the pass to set up the run, knowing that at some point the defense would start getting undisciplined and become open to the run. Tom Osborne at Nebraska basically ran their basic option to set up the fullback trap and the midline; both of those plays also had extremely high yards/carry numbers.

It's never as simple as "just do this more" because there's a lot more that goes into those numbers than one simple play or one family of plays.
 
#73
#73
k-sny-vol said:
Crompton knows he hasn't played very well..
he's just still nervous or something
he really needs to get his confidence up ..
aka eric ainge 2005
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Is this a joke? His ego is so big he has enough confidence for the entire team. he just sucks.
 
#74
#74
I don't think Crompton has it period! He has little experience and a different offensive scheme to learn but that's not all the problem. He just isn't good enough to be our QB. Someone please tell me why he has such an attitude. His personality may be worse than his play and we all know how bad that is. He can't seem to shut up! A coach should tell him to just stay low until some of this blows over but instead he has an award winning comment almost every day. Oh yeah, someone please tell him if not for all the UT fans there would be no UT football program!!!!!!
 
#75
#75
Ohio Vol said:
The third sentence is true, but the other three don't correlate to it at all.

Back when Spurrier was at Florida, his teams had obscenely high yards/carry numbers. The reason was that he used the pass to set up the run, knowing that at some point the defense would start getting undisciplined and become open to the run. Tom Osborne at Nebraska basically ran their basic option to set up the fullback trap and the midline; both of those plays also had extremely high yards/carry numbers.

It's never as simple as "just do this more" because there's a lot more that goes into those numbers than one simple play or one family of plays.
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A very, very intelligent post.

I underestimated you.

I apologize.

go vols.
 
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