Crompton vs Reality

#26
#26
Oh yes definitely. Nobodys scared of Phil at all. But most everybody likes Phil thats why he has been such a good recruiter and overall good manager. He was never a great coach. Johnny majors was a good coach but not the best recruiter. But Majors also had a mean streak, he would jump your **** if you if got out of line. Where as Phil gives you a "stern talking to" and a pat on the back. Our players kind of started testing the waters after the National Championship to see how much they could get away with around CPF, and its only gotten worse and worse with the discipline. Its not coincidence that we are fundamentally an awful football team. Fundamentals and discipline go hand in hand.
 
#27
#27
I hope that if by halftime of the Auburn game Crompton has not turned himself around, put Stephens in for the second half. What could it hurt, seriousy?

And is it true they are dumbing down the offense even more for Crompton?
 
#28
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Gcrop said:
I hope that if by halftime of the Auburn game Crompton has not turned himself around, put Stephens in for the second half. What could it hurt, seriousy?

And is it true they are dumbing down the offense even more for Crompton?
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Thats the rumor. I don't see were it would hurt letting someone else make that (one read) or hand the ball off to someone in the backfield.
 
#29
#29
'And is it true they are dumbing down the offense even more for Crompton?'

Yes, and if it gets much worse, we'll all think we're watching high school P.E. football.
 
#31
#31
Crompton is either completely stupid or his lack of touch with reality is a defense mechanism his mind is using to shield him from the reality of how bad he is...

When I have thoughts like this I often think that maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion and that the reality of the situation maybe isn't so bad....

But to hear that even our coaches are trying to get him to accept reality validates what I have been thinking about him since the UCLA game....he is either in denial about his play so far or he is too dense for it to sink in...

Either way it doesn't bode well with our remaining schedule...especially with the defense he will face this weekend....

If things don't change drastically I don't see any other choice but to bench him
 
#32
#32
A few years back, we had a nice luxury that we'd never had: a senior quarterback who had run the offense for three years on the freshman and JV teams. It was inevitable not only that he would be the starter as a senior, but that he might be the best one we'd ever had.

He was benched after five games and we went with a sophomore who'd run the offense in only part of those five JV games. It took a couple games to get going, but we went on a tear after that.

And that senior was an arrogant prick too; the sophomore was terrific. Great kid, real coachable, and just someone you love to have on your team. Do I need to mention which one is playing college ball and which one isn't?
 
#33
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csheaton said:
Oh yes definitely. Nobodys scared of Phil at all. But most everybody likes Phil thats why he has been such a good recruiter and overall good manager. He was never a great coach. Johnny majors was a good coach but not the best recruiter. But Majors also had a mean streak, he would jump your **** if you if got out of line. Where as Phil gives you a "stern talking to" and a pat on the back. Our players kind of started testing the waters after the National Championship to see how much they could get away with around CPF, and its only gotten worse and worse with the discipline. Its not coincidence that we are fundamentally an awful football team. Fundamentals and discipline go hand in hand.
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Another one who needs to research facts before posting. Majors was a great recruiter. Let me see:Chuck WEbb, Carl Pickens, Reggie White, Alvin Harper, Tony Robinson, Alan Cockrell, Bruce Wilkerson, Harry Galbreath, Tim McGee, Anthony Hancock, Willie Gault, Charles Davis, Dale Jones, Alvin Toles, Jimmy Noonan, reggie Cobb, Tim Irwin, Anthony Miller, Roland James, Chuck Smith, Chris Mims, Dale Carter, Heath Shuler, etc............

When Fulmer took over, the cabinet was well stocked. Don't ever forget that
 
#34
#34
truefan said:
Another one who needs to research facts before posting. Majors was a great recruiter. Let me see:Chuck WEbb, Carl Pickens, Reggie White, Alvin Harper, Tony Robinson, Alan Cockrell, Bruce Wilkerson, Harry Galbreath, Tim McGee, Anthony Hancock, Willie Gault, Charles Davis, Dale Jones, Alvin Toles, Jimmy Noonan, reggie Cobb, Tim Irwin, Anthony Miller, Roland James, Chuck Smith, Chris Mims, Dale Carter, Heath Shuler, etc............

When Fulmer took over, the cabinet was well stocked. Don't ever forget that
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You just helped me make my point with that list. The majority of those guys were great college players but not stars in the pros (there are a few exceptions there). Majors was a good coach and got the most out of those guys. Look at how many big name Tennessee has in the NFL under Fulmer's tenure. That shows me that Fulmer is a better recruiter than coach, and Majors was a better coach than recruiter. And I am willing to bet Fulmer had a hand in recruiting one or two of those guys from in Majors time. But its well known that Majors wasn't as likeable of a guy as Fulmer, and he was not an elite recruiter. Fulmer is one of the best at identifying talent and building relationships with recruits, although it is becoming a bigger struggle for him as time goes on and he gets older. If only he could coach some of those guys up like Majors could have.
 
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#36
#36
govols182 said:
Yes, Crompton has thrown 4 INT's this season.

ESPN - Jonathan Crompton Stats, News, Photos - Tennessee Volunteers - NCAA College Football

And another thought to why they call Stephens "Pick Nick". He's the 2nd string QB. The 2nd string has been playing the 1st string D. Look at our secondary and tell me that Crompton wouldn't have been throwing more INT's than Stephens if he were playing the 1st team defense.

Just a thought.
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In case some people miss it, the best part is bolded.
 
#37
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csheaton said:
You just helped me make my point with that list. The majority of those guys were great college players but not stars in the pros (there are a few exceptions there). Majors was a good coach and got the most out of those guys. Look at how many big name Tennessee has in the NFL under Fulmer's tenure. That shows me that Fulmer is a better recruiter than coach, and Majors was a better coach than recruiter. And I am willing to bet Fulmer had a hand in recruiting one or two of those guys from in Majors time. But its well known that Majors wasn't as likeable of a guy as Fulmer, and he was not an elite recruiter. Fulmer is one of the best at identifying talent and building relationships with recruits, although it is becoming a bigger struggle for him as time goes on and he gets older. If only he could coach some of those guys up like Majors could have.
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YOu're totally wrong. Carl Pickens, Anthony Miller, Harry Galbreath, Tim Irwin, Tim McGee, Terry McDaniels, Reggie White, Dale Carter, Bruce Wilkerson and some others I know I am forgetting were ALL-PRO multiple times. You can't name that many players in the NFL from Fulmer's tenure who have made the pro-bowl. So you have shown NO proof Fulmer was a better recruiter.
 
#39
#39
spudvol said:
ESPN - Internal affairs in the SEC - College Football Nation

5. Crompton taking coaching: It's been tough sledding so far for Tennessee quarterback Jonathan Crompton, who's turned the ball over and struggled to finish drives. The Vols' coaches haven't lost faith in him, but they would like to see him respond better to what they're preaching every day on the practice field. There's a sense among some on the Tennessee staff that Crompton needs to be more realistic about the way he's playing right now. He has the talent and the tools. He just has to go do it. If there's not some improvement against Auburn, the Vols will then look seriously at trying to get Nick Stephens some time in the Northern Illinois game.
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finally
 
#40
#40
truefan said:
YOu're totally wrong. Carl Pickens, Anthony Miller, Harry Galbreath, Tim Irwin, Tim McGee, Terry McDaniels, Reggie White, Dale Carter, Bruce Wilkerson and some others I know I am forgetting were ALL-PRO multiple times. You can't name that many players in the NFL from Fulmer's tenure who have made the pro-bowl. So you have shown NO proof Fulmer was a better recruiter.
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Ok first off Harry Galbreath, Tim Irwin, Tim Mcgee, Terry McDaniel, and Bruce Wilkerson never made a pro bowl and are not ALL-PRO. Thats more than half of your list. Sure a few of them might have had a break out year or two or were consistantly decent but they were by no means stars. So the only ones I'll give you are Carl Pickens, Anthony Miller, Reggie White, and Dale Carter. Thats 4.

Here are some guys that have made at least 1 pro bowl from Fulmer's tenure.

Chad Clifton
Shaun Ellis
Albert Haynesworth
John Henderson
Travis Henry
Jamal Lewis
Leonard Little
Peyton Manning
Jason Witten

Thats 9

Point Made
 
#41
#41
Guys,

Can we get back to the Crompton bashing instead of the Fulmer vs Majors topic?

Thanks,
Nick Stephens
 
#42
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Vol Mania 21 said:
don't forget him celebrating like he won the superbowl when he scored. made me sick, i coulda broke a bat over my head. this guy lives in some fantasy world. does he not realize he sucks? man i can't stand him, and to think i was a huge fan of his after his showing against lsu in '06. i hate myself now
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csheaton said:
Ok first off Harry Galbreath, Tim Irwin, Tim Mcgee, Terry McDaniel, and Bruce Wilkerson never made a pro bowl and are not ALL-PRO. Thats more than half of your list. Sure a few of them might have had a break out year or two or were consistantly decent but they were by no means stars. So the only ones I'll give you are Carl Pickens, Anthony Miller, Reggie White, and Dale Carter. Thats 4.

Here are some guys that have made at least 1 pro bowl from Fulmer's tenure.

Chad Clifton
Shaun Ellis
Albert Haynesworth
John Henderson
Travis Henry
Jamal Lewis
Leonard Little
Peyton Manning
Jason Witten

Thats 9

Point Made
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I don't give a flying horse turd how a Tennessee player performs in the NFL.
 
#43
#43
The whole offense sucks right now. Not just crompton. some of the recievers couldnt catch a cold and the o-line isnt really helping the situaution at all. Of course we all know the coaching situation. Crompton definatley has problems but lets try not to put all the blame on him.
 
#44
#44
VolsZealot said:
The whole offense sucks right now. Not just crompton. some of the recievers couldnt catch a cold and the o-line isnt really helping the situaution at all. Of course we all know the coaching situation. Crompton definatley has problems but lets try not to put all the blame on him.
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all true, but a steadier qb could make all the difference.
 
#45
#45
jakez4ut said:
all true, but a steadier qb could make all the difference.
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I agree a better qb could make a differnce. However with the way the rest of the offense has been playing.. Peyton Manning might have his fair share of problems.

Of course this also makes me wonder if all Fulmer had to do was throw crompton under the bus to save his skin. wouldnt he have done that already?
 
#46
#46
VolsZealot said:
I agree a better qb could make a differnce. However with the way the rest of the offense has been playing.. Peyton Manning might have his fair share of problems.

Of course this also makes me wonder if all Fulmer had to do was throw crompton under the bus to save his skin. wouldnt he have done that already?
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i think the fulmer throwing the kids under the bus thing gets over played and is not all together accurate.

but even if it were true, there's no credible way for him to do that and it not come back on him.
 
#47
#47
jakez4ut said:
i think the fulmer throwing the kids under the bus thing gets over played and is not all together accurate.

but even if it were true, there's no credible way for him to do that and it not come back on him.
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well what I was really getting at is if fulmer could just switch qbs to save his own skin wouldnt he have done that? If all it took was putting in stevens or one of the other backups to turn things around it seems like that would have been done. Are the others really that bad?
 
#48
#48
Lexvol said:
This is one of the reasons I am less hopeful than others regarding a turnaround for the season. To me this situation is colored with the dark shade of memories from 2005.
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I'm thinking it may be more like 1988 without some of those 5 wins to end the season.
 
#49
#49
VolsZealot said:
well what I was really getting at is if fulmer could just switch qbs to save his own skin wouldnt he have done that? If all it took was putting in stevens or one of the other backups to turn things around it seems like that would have been done. Are the others really that bad?
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The only rational explanation is the one you actually set forth. If the others were good enough to at least make a go of it and the pressure on his job rising steadily the only thing that makes any sense is that Fulmer believes Crompton is the best shot they have. No, that doesn't reflect well on the others.
 
#50
#50
Like I said earlier, if Crompton is total crap in the first half against Auburn, it is Stephens turn.
 
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