Crompton bandwagon alive once more

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#26
I trashed JC last year, and looking back feel pretty bad about it.
I really hope he does well and can help us forget 08.
 
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#27
I don't think the offense is being simplified for anyone, I just think its a simple offense. Watch USCw and you'll see this. Pete Carroll basically puts playmakes in the position to make plays. They go vertical very little and score alot by using players like McKnight and Bush, they hook them up on wheel routes and get them out in open space where their hard to tackle.

I think Jon will do pretty good this year, last year he had a hard time because he was running for his life most of the time.

I expect to see alot of Nukeese Richardson, G. Jones, Brown, Oku, Hardesty all getting the ball in open space. With players like Warren and Stocker being thrown to on roll outs.

I hate to say this but I am very optimistic about this upcoming season. Last time I was like this was 05
 
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Writer32 said:
Part of the reason for the NEED for simplicity is because there will be many new receivers on the field....I have said for years UT has lacked playmakers and that has been a large part of the problem.

Now the Vols actually have a few, and to get them on the field things must be simplified.

UT's greatest success over the past 12 years has come with simplified schemes: 1998, young Tee Martin had thrown 17 career passes entering the season. 2004, Vols made a run to the SEC title game with two freshmen quarterbacks and Rick Clausen.

Not saying Crompton will have an all-star season, but he will prove adequate.

Yes, a bad ankle does have a large effect, and so do concussions -- if you have not had one, let me tell you, it sucks.

You can't concentrate, and you get sudden migraines that make it hard just to see straight.

I'll bet Crompton didn't tell the coaching staff about a few of them, but his roommate knew because he saw JC suffer the ill-effects
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I don't know why this was directed at me.

I don't agree with simplified offense. We were running a relatively complicated pro set for the entirety of the time that Manning was around. We backed it off because Tee wasn't prepared for it, but we had the horses on D and running the rock to make up the difference.

I agree that injuries could very well have been a part of the issue last year and I hope beyond hope that they were. I've said in several spots on here, and even exhorted other, that beating JC rather than supporting him at this point is senseless.

I'm on board until he proves me wrong or until the system again proves overwhelming. There is no denying that the kid has a big arm and big heart. I just hope the head and composure start to catch up.
 
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I didn't "direct'' the post at you to insult you ... I was making it clear I was responding to your comment that you didn't like the thought that the receiver-routes were pre-determined.

Manning's complicated pro-set offense didn't and couldn't beat Florida or win a national title.

That's the best argument to keep it simple: If you can't win with that guy pulling the trigger and all the talent around him, what college QB can win in that system?

Casey Clausen's offense was also pro-set and complicated, and when it works, man, is it every special (Citrus Bowl 2001 vs. Michigan)

But it takes a lot of synchronization, and a lot of reps with the QB working with the same receivers.

Crompton doesn't have that advantage of being a third or fourth-year starter with a veteran group of receivers.

I say keep it simple, and try to out-execute and out-work. Dictate coverages with an effective run game and home run hitter at tailback.

It's getting harder and harder to out-smart folks with the video technology out there (Ever wonder why Bill Belichik owned Peyton for years in the NFL? Turns out his cameras didn't lie)

Not an attack -- just a response.
 
#31
#31
Roll that bi.ch and out and let him choose to pass or run. Hell he ran for over 500 yds his senior year of HS. Besides Tebow, he's got to be one the biggest qb's in College football this year.:rock:
 
#33
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Writer32 said:
I didn't "direct'' the post at you to insult you ... I was making it clear I was responding to your comment that you didn't like the thought that the receiver-routes were pre-determined.

Manning's complicated pro-set offense didn't and couldn't beat Florida or win a national title.

That's the best argument to keep it simple: If you can't win with that guy pulling the trigger and all the talent around him, what college QB can win in that system?

Casey Clausen's offense was also pro-set and complicated, and when it works, man, is it every special (Citrus Bowl 2001 vs. Michigan)

But it takes a lot of synchronization, and a lot of reps with the QB working with the same receivers.

Crompton doesn't have that advantage of being a third or fourth-year starter with a veteran group of receivers.

I say keep it simple, and try to out-execute and out-work. Dictate coverages with an effective run game and home run hitter at tailback.

It's getting harder and harder to out-smart folks with the video technology out there (Ever wonder why Bill Belichik owned Peyton for years in the NFL? Turns out his cameras didn't lie)

Not an attack -- just a response.
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I didn't say it was an attack. I just wasn't sure why is was directed at me.

As to Manning's offense not winning: it wasn't about the complexity of the offense. It was about sheer inability to run the football or play any sort of defense.

I am absolutely a fan of simplicity and execution, but that takes talent and coaching, one of which we have lacked for the past decade or so.
 
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GAVol said:
The offense was most definitely not the problem back then.
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That was my first thought as well. I will say that there were times when I was watching Peyton check off at the line of scrimmage and wondered if half the receiving corps got the actual play. It seemed like he "outsmarted" his teamates more than once during his tenure.
 
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DougVol said:
Roll that bi.ch and out and let him choose to pass or run. Hell he ran for over 500 yds his senior year of HS. Besides Tebow, he's got to be one the biggest qb's in College football this year.:rock:
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1) Not a good idea for someone prone to concussions

2)The few times that ran last year were far from impressive.
 
#36
#36
the young man deserves a break.Ihope he has a dreat year along with every young man wearing the orange and white.
 
#38
#38
Great article Griff. My hat is off to Jon for the way he has handled everything that was thrown at him. It could have been real easy for him to go the other direction.
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#39
#39
I'm not apologizing for ripping him last year, b/c he deserved too, injuries or not. Do I understand more why he struggled w/ injuries? yes. But if you are struggling that much, sometimes you have to take the high road and sit out. I do love his toughness, both physically & mentally. All he has to do is just be average to suceed. Like 60% completion percentage and 10 picks or less will be a great season.
 
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zjcvols said:
I'm not apologizing for ripping him last year, b/c he deserved too, injuries or not. Do I understand more why he struggled w/ injuries? yes. But if you are struggling that much, sometimes you have to take the high road and sit out. I do love his toughness, both physically & mentally. All he has to do is just be average to suceed. Like 60% completion percentage and 10 picks or less will be a great season.
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I blame this on Fulmer 100%, not Crompton.
 
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zjcvols said:
I'm not apologizing for ripping him last year, b/c he deserved too, injuries or not. Do I understand more why he struggled w/ injuries? yes. But if you are struggling that much, sometimes you have to take the high road and sit out. I do love his toughness, both physically & mentally. All he has to do is just be average to suceed. Like 60% completion percentage and 10 picks or less will be a great season.
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Agree.

As to your previous point, its not like we had an upgrade when he did sit out, injured or otherwise.
 
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VolDad said:
1) Not a good idea for someone prone to concussions

2)The few times that ran last year were far from impressive.
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Okay. but a QB that can at least threaten with the run is pretty valuable. Tebow, Shockley, Tee Martin, Colt M.
I'm just saying, he was recruited back in the day to be a more of duel threat. It's his last shot anyway. May endear himself to Tennessee fans to lower boom on somebody like the LSU game before his confidence was shot to he..
 
#44
#44
Now we are being told about ankle injuries and concussions. That explains some of the mechanics and subsequent lapses in judgment. There are a lot of us on here who thought he had a learning disability last year in regards to accuracy and timely placement. His whole decision making process including not looking off his receivers,fumbling hand offs and hitting the brass section of the band on passes. If these things are attributable to the injuries then this year, he should have a remarkable season.

A healthy JC, with a simplified offense and kiffin and Chaney working there psychological magic should have this kid ready to spring from the gate.
 
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tennisguy said:
I blame this on Fulmer 100%, not Crompton.
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TOO EASY!!!!!
Combination of new OC, no playmakers, No identity on Offense, bad QB play, poor run game, ect.......

Why is ExCPF ALWAYS the blame??? He learned from Dickey and Majors, who learned from Neyland. I guess its Neylands fault???!!!
 
#47
#47
peaygolf89 said:
TOO EASY!!!!!
Combination of new OC, no playmakers, No identity on Offense, bad QB play, poor run game, ect.......

Why is ExCPF ALWAYS the blame??? He learned from Dickey and Majors, who learned from Neyland. I guess its Neylands fault???!!!
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:bad::confused:
 
#48
#48
He reminds me of the lawyer in my cousin vinny...the one that looked cool, calm, like he knew what he was doing. Then, when it was game time he stuttered, fumbled, and was a lost cause. We have heard it before, he practices well, but in a game he has not been able to think on his feet, he freezes and makes passes that would only make CBP proud. So, it looks like we have no choice but to watch the train wreck again.....:cray:
 
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peaygolf89 said:
TOO EASY!!!!!
Combination of new OC, no playmakers, No identity on Offense, bad QB play, poor run game, ect.......

Why is ExCPF ALWAYS the blame??? He learned from Dickey and Majors, who learned from Neyland. I guess its Neylands fault???!!!
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What?
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