Cowherd on Fulmer

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Colin Cowherd knows as much about football as my girlfriend, which isn't much. But, she's good at other things.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
OK Bill. Who off the 98 UT team is a quality NFL player in your mind? Since that was the original question.
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you're wanting me to say that very few of our offensive if any are quality NFL players. Technically, I can say Jamal Lewis. Defensively I'll add Al Wilson.

If you're trying to allude that I don't think the '98 team had quality players, you're wrong. We had quite a few quality college players on that team. The NFL is a different story and as is well proven, not all college stars are that good in the NFL.
 
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volfanbill said:
you're wanting me to say that very few of our offensive if any are quality NFL players. Technically, I can say Jamal Lewis. Defensively I'll add Al Wilson.

If you're trying to allude that I don't think the '98 team had quality players, you're wrong. We had quite a few quality college players on that team. The NFL is a different story and as is well proven, not all college stars are that good in the NFL.
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Shaun Ellis has had an NFL career every bit as good as Al Wilson's. Chad Clifton was an NFL starter on good teams in Green Bay. I believe Cosey Coleman was a starter on a Super Bowl champion. As much as it pains me to say it, Travis Henry has been a quality NFL back. There are a number of guys, depending on one's standards, who are borderline. For example, Darwin Walker has been a productive player for good teams.
 
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i'm tempted to add cosey coleman as a "solid" player... not quite sure I can say quality though. too many injuries.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Shaun Ellis has had an NFL career every bit as good as Al Wilson's. Chad Clifton was an NFL starter on good teams in Green Bay. I believe Cosey Coleman was a starter on a Super Bowl champion. As much as it pains me to say it, Travis Henry has been a quality NFL back. There are a number of guys, depending on one's standards, who are borderline. For example, Darwin Walker has been a productive player for good teams.
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beat me to coleman. Ellis definitely deserved the list. It's after midnight and i'm rummaging through my brain. When I'm done the mods might make all my subsequent posts into one. Henry has not been consistent enough yet. Clifton would've been great had it not been for Warren Sapp's legal, yet slightly uneccessary hit. Walker is no way quality.
 
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volfanbill said:
beat me to coleman. Ellis definitely deserved the list. It's after midnight and i'm rummaging through my brain. When I'm done the mods might make all my subsequent posts into one. Henry has not been consistent enough yet. Clifton would've been great had it not been for Warren Sapp's legal, yet slightly uneccessary hit. Walker is no way quality.
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Not sure I agree on that. I'll take Darwin Walker as one of my tackles all day long.
 
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of course... Teddy Gaines was drafted. according to IE, that makes him quality

ps, i do need someone to confirm that Gaines was on the '98 team. i'm about 99% sure.
 
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volfanbill said:
I would definitely concede that. I feared putting Driver on my list because of the statutes I already created.

I guess in the end there is a grey area where changes can be made to allow for exceptions. However, I don't see how anyone can make the exception to make Kevin Johnson a quality wide receiver in the NFL.

On a semi-related note, Kevin Johnson was one heck of a quality basketball player
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UT IE 95 said:
So based on your criteria for qualilty, there are several NFL teams without a quality WR on their roster? Crazy.
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hatvol96 said:
There are multiple NFL teams without a single quality wide receiver.
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Why don't you guys shift gears and try to agree on what qualifies someone a quality WR.
career or season avg- yds,tds,yac, etc...Set some parameters, otherwise it's just a squabble over personal preference. Which is fine if that's what you prefer to do. Of course then there is the bickering over parameters and then the quantity of the parameters, so never mind.

:crazy:
 
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Darwin Walker is quality. He spent a lot of time playing on an Eagles defensive line that didn't have too much other talent. He was like a 7 year starter in Philly. If he weren't quality, the Eagles would have found someone to replace him in that amount of time.
 
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i looked up walker's stats and I might change my mind. I just never put much stock into him, especially knowing he didn't get drafted. and my bias towards the eagles. Did not realize he has averaged almost 30 solo tackles a year.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
For those of you who missed it, Colin Cowherd went on a rant about Phil Fulmer and the erosion of the Tennessee program. Many of his points have been discussed here for years, but it's interesting to hear it on national radio.

Cowherd discussed the parallels to Tubby and Lloyd Carr...talked about how Fulmer has allowed the program to erode, and says it's time for Fulmer to go.

Cowherd says Fulmer was successful in the 90's for 2 reasons: His teams were always more talented than the competition...and the coaching in the SEC was average.
Now, Fulmer is in the bottom tier of SEC coaches. With Spurrier, Meyer, Richt, Miles, Tuberville, Saban, and Brooks ahead of him, he's no longer able to win games on talent alone.

He talked about Tennessee losing 5 of its last 7 bowls and how that's unacceptable...he went on to say that it is inexcusable for Tennessee to EVER miss a bowl game...it's not the NFL, there's no reason for a school like Tennessee to EVER have a season without a bowl game.

He said "Tennessee is a fantastic job, and Fulmer's an average coach..average coaches go to average schools like Ole Miss, not Tennessee. Tennessee is an excellent job, it requires and excellent coach."

Again, none of this is particularly insightful, it's just interesting to see that the national media agree with most Tennessee fans...our standards aren't too high, we deserve a winner.
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Colin Cowherd is a hack, but even a blind squirrel can get a nut every once and a while. But he is correct about Fulmer needing to go...
 
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hatvol96 said:
Ask Jacksonville, Tennessee, Atlanta, and Kansas City fans how enamored with their wideouts they are today.
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Robert Meachem has barely (if at all) seen the field for New Orleans, but he'd be best receiever on the roster if he played in Altanta. Including the corpse of Joe Horn.
 
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Hell at this point bring back jim bob cooter and let him coach.Bet he can't do no worsr time to clean house guy's .
 
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hatvol96 said:
Where was I wrong? Arkansas and Mississippi State both fall far short of the standard I mentioned and you guys are trying to use the likes of Rob Konrad to puff Syracuse.
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If you are listing NFL busts, Corey Terry didn't even make it in the CFL. Steve Johnson also didn't have much of a pro career. And one other draftee for Tennessee was Jeff Hall. Face it, NFL success is not required to be a great player in college football.
 
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allvol said:
If you are listing NFL busts, Corey Terry didn't even make it in the CFL. Steve Johnson also didn't have much of a pro career. And one other draftee for Tennessee was Jeff Hall. Face it, NFL success is not required to be a great player in college football.
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My original list was not "scrubbed" to meet everyone's definition of greatness. It was just a roster list of guys that ended up on NFL rosters somewhere.

Here's the greater point: Corey Terry was a role player on that team. Tennessee's role players were good enough to get looks by NFL teams, and many of them hung on for a while. These role players were sandwiched in between career NFL starters who were also good college players.

The other teams mentioned could only scrounge up who was actually drafted at all to attempt some level of equanimity.
 
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Love Cowherd and he makes an excellent point that seems to have escaped several people on this board..Tennessee is an excellent job, second to none in terms of tradition and resources. We have the facilites, the money, the fan base, and we deserve better than what we're getting.
 
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rexvol said:
Love Cowherd and he makes an excellent point that seems to have escaped several people on this board..Tennessee is an excellent job, second to none in terms of tradition and resources. We have the facilites, the money, the fan base, and we deserve better than what we're getting.
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I like Cowherd as well, mostly because he is not a stats or facts guy. He is more like a "sports sociologist" and that turns a lot of poeple off, but I find his themes to be entertaining. I still miss Kornheiser though.
 
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rexvol said:
Tennessee is an excellent job, second to none in terms of tradition and resources. We have the facilites, the money, the fan base, and we deserve better than what we're getting.
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That is why I don't understand all of the concern by some about finding a replacement. It is a job that somebody with youth and vigor could step into and have an immediate impact just on energy level alone.
 
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