Couple of crazy rumors floating around...

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The funny thing about all of this is a lack of aggression on the field is readily apparent with this team. If you want a competitive SEC football team you better want a coach that is willing to get in a slackers face. This is football, it ain't chess.
 
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MedicT said:
The funny thing about all of this is a lack of aggression on the field is readily apparent with this team. If you want a competitive SEC football team you better want a coach that is willing to get in a slackers face. This is football, it ain't chess.
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You have to wonder about the conditioning imo. But then again in a hurry up your d is going to be on the field more.
 
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walkenvol said:
To be completely honest if we were 5-0 right now and looking good while doing it, then I would probably not be too worked up over an occasional Muschamp type melt down. Would that be my preference - NO. I think a coach performs best when he's thinking about the upcoming play verses going ballistic over the last play.

Yes, its completely possible the player got punched and didn't retaliate. Much more likely however that the player never got punched in the manner being presented in this thread. Maybe CBJ touched Crowder in some manner and a clearly disgruntled Crowder interprets it as being punched in anger? Isn't that just as possible if we're playing the possible game?

Hard to believe a guy with the savy to obtain a $3.6 million dollar job would put it at risk to punch a guy in anger who is also likely to put him in the hospital if he retaliates.
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Yes, I agree with you on most points. However, as has been stated previously in this thread, people from all walks of life throw away money and opportunities all the time with poor decisions in a heated moment or brain fart. Bobby Petrino sure didn't mind putting his annual salary on the line for a little side piece. Jonathan Papelbon choked out his own teammate. Was he thinking about his money during the heated exchange? People that make millions make poor decisions all the time.
 
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MedicT said:
The funny thing about all of this is a lack of aggression on the field is readily apparent with this team. If you want a competitive SEC football team you better want a coach that is willing to get in a slackers face. This is football, it ain't chess.
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Its troubling to say the least.

Sometimes its not what you say, but how you say it.
It appears Jones doesn't mind in the how, but appears to not have a clue on the what. There comes a point where if you are coined a "carnival barker" without substance the "slackers" become larger in number. That may be what we are seeing now.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
As I replied to OWB, I'm not pushing for or advocating a change. I simply relayed something I'd heard and dismissed, that seems congruent and relevant to the rumor brought forth in this thread. The likelihood of anything coming of this assault rumor is slim at best.

Butch has done wonders in stabilizing this program, however we now know he comes up short as a game coach. I truly dread the concept of a coaching change, I don't think it serves our best interests at this time. There are some undeniable issue that must be resolved, or that is likely what will happen. The revenue lost when this fanbase turns will be too much to deny.
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Agreed. A coaching change is not helpful long term and not likely considering contracts, ut finances, and ut leadership.

The undeniable issues are disturbing and frustrating. The hope i have on the revenue is it should increase with the sec tv contracts as future contracts are negotiated. It is a long term approach...which we may not have the luxury of taking. I hope the fans can remain committed hrough next season at a minimum.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Yeah...but some that left unhappy were his recruits, weren't they? I think he is very partial to his stars for sure.

You can't be a successful team with nothing but stars. You have to have role players and depth. And this guys, though not as talented, sweat and bleed and work just like the stars.
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I believe quite a few were actually. I think I read the other day that there were 6, maybe, 4 stars from the 2013 class that have left? I seem to recall all of them being unhappy with coaching in some fashion.

Btw, as I'm typing this, we were just described as a "dumpster fire" by Childers and Neuheisel!! Yay, the thrills of being a Vol fan!! FML!!
 
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MedicT said:
Yeah, I agree. But when you look at Jones recruits, Hurd for instance, they are obviously progressing well.
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I'd love to have a team of Jalens. Can we clone Hurd and JRM and put their heart into everyone?
 
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MedicT said:
Yeah, I agree. But when you look at Jones recruits, Hurd for instance, they are obviously progressing well.
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I think if he has to do something about the staff. You can't micromanage with his coaching resume so far. He is not Saban. He needs quality coaches. Look at UF. Think it is all the HC? There are definitely some deficiencies but there are a few bright spots as you stated.
 
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justsaying said:
He would have progressed anywhere...
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Oh, so coaching really isn't so important after all? With that there should be little opposition to hiring "mid major" coaches. Things are appearing to clear up now.
 
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Z06VolinWV said:
I believe quite a few were actually. I think I read the other day that there were 6, maybe, 4 stars from the 2013 class that have left? I seem to recall all of them being unhappy with coaching in some fashion.

Btw, as I'm typing this, we were just described as a "dumpster fire" by Childers and Neuheisel!! Yay, the thrills of being a Vol fan!! FML!!
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Neuheisel would kill for this job....you could see it in his eyes last week as he was declaring Butch on the hotseat after not going two.

Neuheisel is a punk and a clown.
 
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I want Chip Kelly or Gary Patterson
Write one of them a blank check and wash your hands with this garbage.
 
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'Boro-vol said:
Neuheisel would kill for this job....you could see it in his eyes last week as he was declaring Butch on the hotseat after not going two.

Neuheisel is a punk and a clown.
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He really does seem to have some sort of affinity for Tennessee, been pumping us up all year so far. He is a jack tho.

Can't believe he's 2-0 against us!!
 
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Volsick said:
I want Chip Kelly or Gary Patterson
Write one of them a blank check and wash your hands with this garbage.
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Doesn't Chip Kelly have essentially the same offensive philosophy as Jones? I know he lit it up at Oregon but I also saw what happened to him when he faced quality defenses that knew how to scheme him like Boise St, LSU, Stanford, Auburn, etc.

I agree with you on Patterson though. I really like him and would love to have him in Knoxville!
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
I think if he has to do something about the staff. You can't micromanage with his coaching resume so far. He is not Saban. He needs quality coaches. Look at UF. Think it is all the HC? There are definitely some deficiencies but there are a few bright spots as you stated.
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I agree. If CBJ could find quality assistants and TURN the reigns over to them, i think he would enjoy tremendous success. He recruits very well. He gets his players to buy in. He's a motivator. There are a lot of good things he does which would be a blessing to great assistants in the approach you recommend.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Doesn't Chip Kelly have essentially the same offensive philosophy as Jones? I know he lit it up at Oregon but I also so what happened to him when he faced quality defenses like LSU, Stanford, Auburn, etc.

I agree with you on Patterson though. I really like him and would love to have him in Knoxville!
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The problem isn't philosophy its execution and Kelly executed his plan in college football
 
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Volsick said:
I want Chip Kelly or Gary Patterson
Write one of them a blank check and wash your hands with this garbage.
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So we can do the same thing in 4 more years when the rebuilding process isn't easy only with twice the buyout? If we are going with the rinse repeat method the "mid major" coaches seem much more financially responsible.
 
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McDad said:
I agree. If CBJ could find quality assistants and TURN the reigns over to them, i think he would enjoy tremendous success. He recruits very well. He gets his players to buy in. He's a motivator. There are a lot of good things he does which would be a blessing to great assistants in the approach you recommend.
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I don't think its in his makeup...the system is infallible, remember.

I think there is a level of coaching maturity you have to have before turning over the rains fully. Fulmer never reached it with anyone other than Cutcliffe. That was his undoing....may be Butch's too.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
I disagree. Especially if administrative changes at the top are made. You basically give him the "keys to the kingdom" along with a big fat apology for snubbing him the first time around.
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I hope you're right. I also hope the brick mason can get it together and we won't have to fool with i . If we do though, would love Patterson. UT dogged him in 2012 so I am skeptical
 
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