Could Guarantano surprise us? (Merged)

[k-town_king]

So are you and Dobbs4Heisman twins or the same person?

Are y'all?

He doesn't like JG either if I remember correctly.

 

[sjt18]

He does.
His pre snap reads are still lacking. Plenty of room to improve. If they can get the OL serviceable, hopefully Chaney can get him where he can be.

Chaney will be the best OC he's worked with. If it doesn't click early... I hope Chaney and Pruitt cut their losses and work with the other two.

 

[sjt18]

He got better and faster.

If you mean in terms of going from an F to a D-... I could buy it. But we both know that's not what you mean.

Sometimes the line still doesn't give him time.

And the vast majority of the time receivers on deep throws are coming back for the ball. That's not because he lacks arm strength but because he doesn't think and throw fast enough.

The reduction in sacks was due to his improvement.

Of course... has to be. k-town's Rule #1- JG is infallible. #2 It is always someone else's fault. #3 If you think it is his fault... refer to rules #1 and #2.

The blocking still allowed too many free rushers.

And they still didn't trust him to read and throw slants and hitches to stop free rushers. He still consistently threw a half count late.

Hope you can understand that.

My understanding is fine. It is your complete detachment from reality that's a problem.


I am not anti-JG. I am anti-JG cult. I think he has significant talent and strengths. I am not delusional believing he has no meaningful flaws (like you). My interest is seeing UT football win more games and climb out of the abyss it has been in for years. My only interest in JG is his potential to help or hurt that goal. You and ONLY YOU are the one with the personal stake... You do not appear to be a Vol fan but simply a JG fan. You are willing to throw any and every other Vol player under the bus to promote JG.

 

[Ten_Titans]

Y'all's reasoning, excuses, etc get more comical and repetitive by the day. You ever think it's one thing to have the overall stats OR the winning percentage. It's even even more rare to have both. All of the QB's you mentioned have alot of both. That means they're the total package, in college. Guess what though? Guarantano has NEITHER the total stats OR wins... Y'all keep up the hysterical rhetoric and arguements tough. It definitely makes for good entertainment.

Hey you watch your mouth.

JG has the best passer rating of any QB to ever play on a 72 degree day with an 84% over cast sky and the DOW Jones up 1.83% from the previous week.

 

[sjt18]

Hell ya look Franks improvement with a real coach

He's still a moron.

 

[Joe Dirt]

I don't mean this as an insult to JG, because I do like him, but he reminds me an awful lot of Justin Worley. They have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Both can throw crossing routes relatively well with ample time, but can't hit a receiver in stride on a deep route. Very limited ability to read the defense pre-snap. Very tough.

I like JG, and he's tough as hell, but I would not be shocked in the slightest if JT Shrout gives him a serious run for the starting job.

 

[Behr]

He's still a moron......

...just like his coach, his school and the fans.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I don't mean this as an insult to JG, because I do like him, but he reminds me an awful lot of Justin Worley. They have very similar strengths and weaknesses. Both can throw crossing routes relatively well with ample time, but can't hit a receiver in stride on a deep route. Very limited ability to read the defense pre-snap. Very tough.

I like JG, and he's tough as hell, but I would not be shocked in the slightest if JT Shrout gives him a serious run for the starting job.

I made this comparison earlier, this won't go well unless K-Town has lost his will to fight.

 

[k-town_king]

I made this comparison earlier, this won't go well unless K-Town has lost his will to fight.

It's not worth responding to something so stupid.

 

[thegasman54]

Pro tip: If you are going to say that someone said something at least back it up with proof.

Shouldn’t you be bitching and whining ? Tell us what are your complaints for the day?

Signing the top remaining target on D and the top remaining recruit overall must be hard on your bitch meter

 

[VFL1953]

Shouldn’t you be bitching and whining ? Tell us what are your complaints for the day?

Signing the top remaining target on D and the top remaining recruit overall must be hard on your bitch meter

Pretty sure he just did that. Inquiring minds want to know......

 

[FLVOL_79]

Shouldn’t you be bitching and whining ? Tell us what are your complaints for the day?

Signing the top remaining target on D and the top remaining recruit overall must be hard on your bitch meter

JG is still on the roster, and you emotionally post.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Lol. Rich coming from you. Proof/data/evidence typically means nothing to you in other threads.

Right. Because its not if you win or lose its how you play the game right? I do enjoy your data and emotionally derived facts when it comes to supporting your JG homerism. I eagerly await your spring game/practice analysis of our elite practice QB!

 

[KCVOL95]

JG is still on the roster, and you emotionally post.

JG is a good QB! That is all!

 

[Pride85]

Lol. Rich coming from you. Proof/data/evidence typically means nothing to you in other threads.

Preach it, brother!

 

[Pride85]

Right. Because its not if you win or lose its how you play the game right? I do enjoy your data and emotionally derived facts when it comes to supporting your JG homerism. I eagerly await your spring game/practice analysis of our elite practice QB!

I still see you are on your eternal rant. There is absolutely nothing that will change your mind. You are the type that puts too little acclaim on a QB when the team succeeds and most, if not all, of the blame if the team loses. The defense could give up 100 points and if the offense doesn't score 101, it is JG's fault we lost. You spout the same garbage no matter what the thread. A bit obsessive in my opinion.

 

[Pride85]

Right. Because its not if you win or lose its how you play the game right? I do enjoy your data and emotionally derived facts when it comes to supporting your JG homerism. I eagerly await your spring game/practice analysis of our elite practice QB!

I do find it interesting that you find data that does not fit your agenda is emotional based.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I still see you are on your eternal rant. There is absolutely nothing that will change your mind. You are the type that puts too little acclaim on a QB when the team succeeds and most, if not all, of the blame if the team loses. The defense could give up 100 points and if the offense doesn't score 101, it is JG's fault we lost. You spout the same garbage no matter what the thread. A bit obsessive in my opinion.

Nah. JG learns to move in the pocket, read a defense, thrown more than 12 TD's, and actually leads a team to a victory consistently..he will change my mind. I had hope he might be good after the WVa loss but that hope was quickly dashed. If the UT defense gives up 100 points I don't blame JG for the loss because I understand that he is not good and wouldn't be capable of overcoming any real deficit, let alone 100 points.

 

[FLVOL_79]

I do find it interesting that you find data that does not fit your agenda is emotional based.

Does completion % put points on the scoreboard? Does having the best completion % on third down while being pressured put points on the board? Did his intangible "arm talent" put many points on the board?

Spoiler

No

 

[Pride85]

Does completion % put points on the scoreboard? Does having the best completion % on third down while being pressured put points on the board? Did his intangible "arm talent" put many points on the board?

Spoiler

No

Also a lack of a run game, or blocking of any kind at times doesn't lead to many scores either. It also takes the other 21 players on the field to do their job as well.

 

[Pride85]

Nah. JG learns to move in the pocket, read a defense, thrown more than 12 TD's, and actually leads a team to a victory consistently..he will change my mind. I had hope he might be good after the WVa loss but that hope was quickly dashed. If the UT defense gives up 100 points I don't blame JG for the loss because I understand that he is not good and wouldn't be capable of overcoming any real deficit, let alone 100 points.

Same old trash. What stats that aren't emotional based do you use to back up your diatribes? Win/loss can't be your only measuring stick?! This is a team sport, as much as you ignore that to back up your message, and all the blame cannot be placed on one player; whether you like him or not.

 

[sjt18]

Also a lack of a run game, or blocking of any kind at times doesn't lead to many scores either. It also takes the other 21 players on the field to do their job as well.

UT had OL issues. UT had QB issues. Most who take the all or nothing approach... lay all or almost all of the blame on the OL.

The ultimate bottom line for a QB is leading the team to scores. The biggest skill for a QB is decision making. JG has struggled at both. Great completion % do not matter when you're only scoring 20 ppg.

I wish the game would "slow down" for JG. But his decision making and apparent inability to anticipate throws hurts the O every bit as much as OL's missing assignments.

 

[Pride85]

UT had OL issues. UT had QB issues. Most who take the all or nothing approach... lay all or almost all of the blame on the OL.

The ultimate bottom line for a QB is leading the team to scores. The biggest skill for a QB is decision making. JG has struggled at both. Great completion % do not matter when you're only scoring 20 ppg.

I wish the game would "slow down" for JG. But his decision making and apparent inability to anticipate throws hurts the O every bit as much as OL's missing assignments.

The only part of your statement I disagree with is the bolded above. The particular poster I was referencing ALWAYS lays the entire blame on the QB. Due to the issues with the line, we were forced to be more one dimensional. JG is not good enough to carry the team when we are forced to throw for most of the game. He was not good at pre-snap reads and some of his slow decisions were compounded by getting blasted again. It became a catch-22, the more he hesitated. This lead to being hit more often.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Same old trash. What stats that aren't emotional based do you use to back up your diatribes? Win/loss can't be your only measuring stick?! This is a team sport, as much as you ignore that to back up your message, and all the blame cannot be placed on one player; whether you like him or not.

The old its how you play the game excuse. Almost all positive JG statistics rely on massive emotionally flawed mental gymnastics to try and ribbon twirl around what is obvious to everyone else and indicated by the TD and win production. 9-16 as starter. But that completion % bro! 16 career td's which is around .6 TD's a game. But that completion % on third downs while being under pressure bro! Cannot move in the pocket at all. He is a pocket passer, the dual threat tag when recruiting was a joke/fake/lie bro! Pocket passers do NOT move they remain stoic once snapping the ball. Oline bro! But he doesnt throw TD's. Thats because the OC doesn't call the right plays bro! etc..etc..

 

[sjt18]

The only part of your statement I disagree with is the bolded above. The particular poster I was referencing ALWAYS lays the entire blame on the QB. Due to the issues with the line, we were forced to be more one dimensional. JG is not good enough to carry the team when we are forced to throw for most of the game. He was not good at pre-snap reads and some of his slow decisions were compounded by getting blasted again. It became a catch-22, the more he hesitated. This lead to being hit more often.

You would have a point but last year QD (who made mistakes) didn't take the hits or sacks. This past year KC (who honestly made some really bad reads) proved that you could make good quick decisions and not get beaten like JG. He even squeezed in a slant or two.

Both were significant problems. Both have to improve... and they can't really improve independent of each other. JG needs to "get it"... and the OL has to "get it" too.... and they sort of have to start "getting it" in tune with each other. That last part... mostly falls on the QB. He's the leader and conductor.