Could Guarantano surprise us? (Merged)

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k-town_king said:
Better than the returning starters at UK, ARK, LSU. He would start over them.

Vandy has no one coming in.

There ya go to start.
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I'll give you Vandy and maybe AR and KY. But we should be pulling better QB's than simply 2 teams that we have historically laughed at and the worst team in the SEC. Surely JG could start at the OSU or USC with the record setting numbers that he put up?
 
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k-town_king said:
He would start at over half the SEC schools next year. Lmao.
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Not UF, USCe, TAM, UGA, Bama, or Mizzou. As someone mentioned earlier... he probably couldn't start at LSU either.

The only thing that makes your claim even remotely credible is that there are so many open QB jobs in the SEC this fall. Ole Miss, MSU, Auburn, and Vandy will all be breaking in new QB's.

What makes it worse though... is that if he doesn't get better at reading D's and making quick decisions... he wouldn't start or make the top 2 for any of the others.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not UF, USCe, TAM, UGA, Bama, or Mizzou. As someone mentioned earlier... he probably couldn't start at LSU either.

The only thing that makes your claim even remotely credible is that there are so many open QB jobs in the SEC this fall. Ole Miss, MSU, Auburn, and Vandy will all be breaking in new QB's.

What makes it worse though... is that if he doesn't get better at reading D's and making quick decisions... he wouldn't start or make the top 2 for any of the others.
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He would have a good chance to start at any SEC school not named UGA or BAMA. Maybe Carolina would keep the Sr.

He would have a 50/50 shot at the least to beat the qbs at UF and Mizzou. He would be the favorite or automatic starter at pretty much every other SEC school.
 
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k-town_king said:
He would have a good chance to start at any SEC school not named UGA or BAMA. Maybe Carolina would keep the Sr.

He would have a 50/50 shot at the least to beat the qbs at UF and Mizzou. He would be the favorite or automatic starter at pretty much every other SEC school.
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So JG is better than Kelly Bryant
KB's Jr. year he had
66 completion %
13 TD 8 Int
passed for 2802 yards
rushed for 665 yards
rushed for 11 TDs
I know he played for Clemson but those are pretty good numbers and he didn't lose any of the 4 games he played in as a senior was still hitting 66% but a once in a lifetime QB was in the wings and Dabo made a tough decision.
Think Mizzou will be 2nd or 3rd in the east they have Roundtree & Crockett & Badie back at RB & 3 of their 4 WR's back & 3 OL back. Their schedule is even lightened up some with UF at home. Also don't forget Dooley :oops:LOL
 
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sechamp2012 said:
So JG is better than Kelly Bryant
KB's Jr. year he had
66 completion %
13 TD 8 Int
passed for 2802 yards
rushed for 665 yards
rushed for 11 TDs
I know he played for Clemson but those are pretty good numbers and he didn't lose any of the 4 games he played in as a senior was still hitting 66% but a once in a lifetime QB was in the wings and Dabo made a tough decision.
Think Mizzou will be 2nd or 3rd in the east they have Roundtree & Crockett & Badie back at RB & 3 of their 4 WR's back & 3 OL back. Their schedule is even lightened up some with UF at home. Also don't forget Dooley :oops:LOL
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He definitely is a better passer.

13 tds and 8ints , 7.0 ypa, and a 131.7 rating in 14 games with Clemson. 😵

Lmao.

JG had 12 to only 3 in 11 games, really only about 10 complete games with freaking UT.
 
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k-town_king said:
He would have a good chance to start at any SEC school not named UGA or BAMA. Maybe Carolina would keep the Sr.

He would have a 50/50 shot at the least to beat the qbs at UF and Mizzou. He would be the favorite or automatic starter at pretty much every other SEC school.
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Nope. He simply wouldn't. Franks is a similar player but is a better runner and has a stronger arm. He wouldn't stand a chance of beating out the Clemson transfer at Mizzou.

You continue to throw out statistics as if they tell a story alone. JG has failed to lead the offense to score points. That's the 800 lb gorilla. A 5 yard dump down on 3rd and 12 looks good on the stat line... but it doesn't sustain drives. Eating two or 3 times the number of sacks as necessary may make INT's and completion % look artificially low but sacks kill drives.

I don't know what kind of relationship (real or fantasy) you have with JG. I am sure he's a nice kid. He works hard. He's tough. But he has some fatal weaknesses. They've hurt UT and would prevent him from competing at most other SEC schools.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
Most of these sacks are the ones that I have a big issue with him as a developing QB. One of the biggest responsibilities QB's have is to recognize fronts/blitzes and to set/reset the protections accordingly. When you see a free runner on the QB it looks bad on the oline, but very likely the protection was set incorrectly. KC on the other hand didn't take those kind of shots as often as JG. I am NOT saying KC should have played more, but I am saying he is more adept at that particular skill apparently. The big hit he took early in the game where he got hurt late in the season was a prime example. Free runner off his blind side. All he had to do was to move the back to his other side. He didn't and the back couldn't make it over there to stop the blitzer from unloading on him.

JG is tough as nails, but, in my opinion, he brings a lot of those hits on himself. Our oline was terrible this year no doubt. That needs to get fixed as well. I just wanted to point out that all sacks aren't the oline's fault.

I am extremely hopeful that CJC can work with him and get him to understand those things. For whatever reason he hasn't been able to grasp that yet.
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I agree with both analysis of JG thus far. One thing that I will add, albeit a bit optimistic (my fatal flaw as a football fan), is that JG was a redshirt sophomore last year and has shown some meager improvements as a QB under a mediocre OC. I won't go as far as to say that he will have a breakout year in 2019, but I don't think that we have seen him at his full potential yet. Part of that is because he is not a star as an SEC QB and probably will never be. But the other part is that the previous coaching staff was either unwilling, unable, or both to develop talent. I think the CJC has proven that he is a good developer of talent. He and Tee combined will get the most out of JG because of their experience and JG's work ethic, toughness and level of buy-in (he is clearly all in as a VOL). Again, he may not ever be a star, I think that he will improve and will become more of an asset than a liability in 2019 and in 2020.
 
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k-town_king said:
He definitely is a better passer.

13 tds and 8ints , 7.0 ypa, and a 131.7 rating in 14 games with Clemson. 😵

Lmao.

JG had 12 to only 3 in 11 games, really only about 10 complete games with freaking UT.
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In 2017 Clemson's oline gave up 31 sacks with Bryant at QB.

In 2018 UT's oline gave up 23 sacks with JG at QB.

But sure Bryant sucked with only 13 passing TDs because he was at Clemson, and JG is actually great with only 12 passing TDs and it's everyone around him that sucks, right?

I wish I was capable of the level of cognitive dissonance that you display in your posts.
 
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sjt18 said:
Nope. He simply wouldn't. Franks is a similar player but is a better runner and has a stronger arm. He wouldn't stand a chance of beating out the Clemson transfer at Mizzou.

You continue to throw out statistics as if they tell a story alone. JG has failed to lead the offense to score points. That's the 800 lb gorilla. A 5 yard dump down on 3rd and 12 looks good on the stat line... but it doesn't sustain drives. Eating two or 3 times the number of sacks as necessary may make INT's and completion % look artificially low but sacks kill drives.

I don't know what kind of relationship (real or fantasy) you have with JG. I am sure he's a nice kid. He works hard. He's tough. But he has some fatal weaknesses. They've hurt UT and would prevent him from competing at most other SEC schools.
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He has a better arm than Franks. Much more accurate also. Better ypa.

He would have 50% chance at the minimum to beat Franks.

He is a much better passer than Bryant.

It's funny that the argument shifted from people saying he would not be able to transfer to a d1 school and start to how many SEC schools he could start for. Lmao.
 
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BeardedVol said:
In 2017 Clemson's oline gave up 31 sacks with Bryant at QB.

In 2018 UT's oline gave up 23 sacks with JG at QB.

But sure Bryant sucked with only 13 passing TDs because he was at Clemson, and JG is actually great with only 12 passing TDs and it's everyone around him that sucks, right?

I wish I was capable of the level of cognitive dissonance that you display in your posts.
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Wait. So are you saying Bryant didn't have WAY more talent around him? 😂🤣😅😐😑🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃😟

14 games to 11 with a few games not finished due to injury. 1 more td and 5 more ints with MUCH MUCH more talent around him.

JG is a much better passer.
 
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k-town_king said:
Wait. So are you saying Bryant didn't have WAY more talent around him? 😂🤣😅😐😑🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃🙃😟

14 games to 11 with a few games not finished due to injury. 1 more td and 5 more ints with MUCH MUCH more talent around him.

JG is a much better passer.
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With all of that talent Clemson still gave up 31 sacks, and their top receiver ended the season 87th in the nation. As a QB, Bryant is not a very good passer, but JG isn't any better than him, and what gives Bryant the edge over JG, is that he is actually capable of scrambling out of the pocket, and scoring rushing TDs, something JG is incapable of doing.
 
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BeardedVol said:
With all of that talent Clemson still gave up 31 sacks, and their top receiver ended the season 87th in the nation. As a QB, Bryant is not a very good passer, but JG isn't any better than him, and what gives Bryant the edge over JG, is that he is actually capable of scrambling out of the pocket, and scoring rushing TDs, something JG is incapable of doing.
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So Cain, Renfrow, Tee Higgins, Amari, and Ray Ray McCloud another NFL wr aren't way way way better than what we had?

Let not even talk about the coaching difference.

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k-town_king said:
So Cain, Renfrow, Tee Higgins, Amari, and Ray Ray McCloud another NFL wr aren't way way way better than what we had?

Let not even talk about the coaching difference.

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And what does any of that have to do with JG's passing ability? You are utterly incapable of assigning any responsibility for JG's performance, to JG himself.
 
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Guarantano is a very good qb, and he will be in 2019, so he won't surprise me. He will be very good. Where we need a surprise is the OL.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And what does any of that have to do with JG's passing ability? You are utterly incapable of assigning any responsibility for JG's performance, to JG himself.
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He had much more talent around him. More games. One more td and five more ints.

JG is a better passer.
 
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k-town_king said:
He had much more talent around him. More games. One more td and five more ints.

JG is a better passer.
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You should probably go back and actually watch some of Clemson's games from the 2017 season; you're letting your clinical obsession with JG cloud your memory again.

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