Could Butch leave?

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#276
Thread is a steaming pile.

I will never understand how people think that you can simply "magic" a winning team in the SEC into existence from where we were,

Progress has been made every year Butch has been here and there will be more progress next year.

People need to chill. Barring major injury bug issues we will be fighting for the East and beyond next year.
 
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agVOL90 said:
Thread is a steaming pile.

I will never understand how people think that you can simply "magic" a winning team in the SEC into existence from where we were,

Progress has been made every year Butch has been here and there will be more progress next year.

People need to chill. Barring major injury bug issues we will be fighting for the East and beyond next year.
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it is more the norm f a coach that is going to be successful at a big time program to have great success early like harbaugh and malzahn than to have a slow gradual build toward excellence..doesnt mean things dont seem to be moving in the right direction, but gm at aub "magic'ed" a team from 0-8 sec to nat'l title game, and others have done the same..stoops, caroll, saban, etc..slow, gradual builds at elite programs more the exception than the norm.
 
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I40flyer said:
Ho long is that song going to be sung??? When does he step up, and take responsibility ??? Two more years? Five more years? There must come a time, when even the fan boys agree, it's on him. The idea that "We're heading in the right direction", is very kind. But in the SEC, we don't need kind, we need hard as nails WINNING coaches, if we don't have one, we'll never even win the SEC.:banghead2:
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Wow another negavol. It's getting to be an all night thing putting all the negavols i see on ignore:crazy:
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
Lol JRM and Sutton will be out of here faster than Kiffin.
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Butch is not only recruiting but telling these juniors I need you one more year while we fill holes to make our run in 2016. They will be here next August!

Edit: Sutton also said getting his degree was very important to him before moving to the next level.
 
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PowerSweep said:
it is more the norm f a coach that is going to be successful at a big time program to have great success early like harbaugh and malzahn than to have a slow gradual build toward excellence..doesnt mean things dont seem to be moving in the right direction, but gm at aub "magic'ed" a team from 0-8 sec to nat'l title game, and others have done the same..stoops, caroll, saban, etc..slow, gradual builds at elite programs more the exception than the norm.
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Because the talent was there but the coach was not getting it done. No one wanted to come here when kitten left because it was void of talent and not a quick fix. Now, we have the talent and is why we could get several coaches interested. Also why butch would want to stay.
 
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UTwild82 said:
Love Butch, but if there's a chance we could swap him for Les Miles I'm all in.
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You in crack......... We've saw what Butch can do with a skeletal roster plagued with lack of depth n injuries, let's see what he can do with a full roster with depth n hopefully injury less players. We know what Miles can do with a full roster and depth n it isn't intriguing to me.
 
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PowerSweep said:
it is more the norm f a coach that is going to be successful at a big time program to have great success early like harbaugh and malzahn than to have a slow gradual build toward excellence..doesnt mean things dont seem to be moving in the right direction, but gm at aub "magic'ed" a team from 0-8 sec to nat'l title game, and others have done the same..stoops, caroll, saban, etc..slow, gradual builds at elite programs more the exception than the norm.
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Actually it's not. And it totally depends on the state of the program. There are just as many that flame out after inheriting a talented roster and having initial success, i.e. Hoke, Muschamp, Chizik, and funny you should bring him up, Malzahn. Auburn isn't exactly setting the world on fire despite being only 2 years removed from a championship game appearance.

On the other hand, some examples of great coaches that gradually built teams to national prominence include D'Antonio, Harbaugh at Standford, Spurrier at USCe, Swinney, etc.
 
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BruinVol said:
It's not as simple as saying jones can't handle the pressure if he wants out. Butch might be all in but


We don't know what is being said within his home. His wife might be saying it is family or tenn football. If so what should he do??
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Tell her "bye".
 
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MrVolton said:
Actually it's not. And it totally depends on the state of the program. There are just as many that flame out after inheriting a talented roster and having initial success, i.e. Hoke, Muschamp, Chizik, and funny you should bring him up, Malzahn. Auburn isn't exactly setting the world on fire despite being only 2 years removed from a championship game appearance.

On the other hand, some examples of great coaches that gradually built teams to national prominence include D'Antonio, Harbaugh at Standford, Spurrier at USCe, Swinney, etc.
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Spurrier hardly built USC up to prominence and this is the first year Swinney can even be included. Also, the reason it's usually a gradual process is it takes a while for coaches to prove themselves to recruits. None of those schools are traditional powers, and they typically can't sign elite classes right away, if ever. Our problem isn't the talent, it's the coaching.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Spurrier hardly built USC up to prominence and this is the first year Swinney can even be included. Also, the reason it's usually a gradual process is it takes a while for coaches to prove themselves to recruits. None of those schools are traditional powers, and they typically can't sign elite classes right away, if ever. Our problem isn't the talent, it's the coaching.
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i think in todays college football, the traditional powers are the teams that are winning consistently on the national stage. tennessee is a power of a different era in college football. we are for sure a traditional power, don't get me wrong. but we won the national title in 98, that's 17 years ago. most of our freshman this year were barely a year old then. not a whole lot of championships and titles since 98. butch's 1st class was ranked 10th in sec, '14 ranked 8th and last year 2nd in sec.

so you're saying that all it takes to win the sec is 3 signing classes? you can't be serious thinking we are gonna win the sec, let alone the east with just 3 classes with avg rank of 6.7 in the conference. to beat the floridas and bamas we need multiple years of #1/2 recruiting classes to compete year in and year out.

i know its hard to believe, but outside the state of tennessee people really see the vols on the up and up. other coaches and national tv/radio have said, "tennessee is going to be a force very soon, very positive progress." i believe they say that because they know how the sec is and how you need quality depth to win. 3 classes with only 1 being being a home run class doesn't give you that depth yet.

but you've had your mind made up that butch is crap for a long time now, why do i even bother :crazy:
 
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Brasszilla said:
so you're saying that all it takes to win the sec is 3 signing classes? you can't be serious thinking we are gonna win the sec, let alone the east with just 3 classes with avg rank of 6.7 in the conference. to beat the floridas and bamas we need multiple years of #1/2 recruiting classes to compete year in and year out.
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Florida THIS year just trashed your statement. They haven't won it but they are at least in the SECCG. Butch hasn't even sniffed an opportunity for the SECCG and I think the trend will continue but to each his own.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Spurrier hardly built USC up to prominence and this is the first year Swinney can even be included. Also, the reason it's usually a gradual process is it takes a while for coaches to prove themselves to recruits. None of those schools are traditional powers, and they typically can't sign elite classes right away, if ever. Our problem isn't the talent, it's the coaching.
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Spurrier had 3 straight 11 win seasons at USCe. This is currently Clemson's 5th straight 10 wins season and they have at least one national championship in their past.

I was just debunking the myth that the majority of successful coaches have immediate success. It's just not accurate. The OP I quoted even used Malzahn as an example, which does not support the argument at all. Auburn will likely finish their schedule with 6 losses and we likely end with only 4. The difference is they are 2 years removed from the NC game and we are 2 years removed from the toilet.

For various reasons, Harbaugh, Chizik, D'Antonio, Mushchamp, Hoke, and many, many more are all examples that bust the myth that immediate success most likely equals long term success.
 
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I agree that saying it takes 6 or 7 years to compete for an SECC is a bit much. But anyone that says Jones likely won't be successful here long term because he didn't win the East this year is being just as silly.
 
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MrVolton said:
I agree that saying it takes 6 or 7 years to compete for an SECC is a bit much. But anyone that says Jones likely won't be successful here long term because he didn't win the East this year is being just as silly.
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In that case silly goes both ways. Next year will be his best year to prove his case (by playing in the SECCG at a minimum). If he doesn't then anyone that says Jones is definitely the long term solution is silly.

His in-game coaching is leaving a whole lot to be desired.
 
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willinhf said:
Just read these quotes on Tennessean.

Butch Jones: SEC coaching takes years off life

Now, I think it would be crazy to leave when you have the talent returning that Butch has, however, this does NOT sound like a coach that is loving the pressures of the SEC.

Any other thoughts? Insights? Could he pull an Urban?
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He leaves and Chip Kelly resigns at philly and takes the job monday morning.
 
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VolNRaleighNC said:
In that case silly goes both ways. Next year will be his best year to prove his case (by playing in the SECCG at a minimum). If he doesn't then anyone that says Jones is definitely the long term solution is silly.

His in-game coaching is leaving a whole lot to be desired.
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Silly does go both ways. None of the coaches viewed as having immediate success at major programs inherited nearly the mess that Jones did. I think a 10 win regular season is a reasonable expectation for next year.

I think the case for coaching deficiencies can be made for going too conservative too early vs Oklahoma and S. Carolina, questionable late game decisions vs Florida, and the offensive game plan going into the Arky game. On the other hand, the talent and depth issues still can't be totally discounted yet. Jumper, Moseley, and 1st-half-of-the-season-Foreman in coverage were the main reasons those Oklahoma and Florida losses were even close at the end. Also, the OL still aren't championship caliber YET. And 3 of our top 5 receivers from last year have been severely limited or out all together this year.
 
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