Could Bray be better than Manning?

#26
#26
here is the acid test --

put chavis on the sideline in the Sewer this saturday, and spot the Gators 60+ points just like peyton got from our D when he was a sophomore.

if bray "beats the 'turds" under those circumstances, then yes he could be better than manning.
 
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tnvols106 said:
Then name them
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1994:
Won his first start against Washington State.
Beat Virginia Tech in the Gator Bowl

1995:
Went 11-1 as a sophomore
Beat 11th ranked Bama at Bama.
Beat 4th ranked Ohio State in the Citrus Bowl
Finished number 2 in the coaches poll

1996:
Beat 7th ranked Bama
Beat 15th ranked Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl

1997:
Defeated unbeaten 7th ranked Georgia
Won the SEC East
Beat 11th ranked Auburn in the SEC Championship

Those are just the games that I could find rankings for, do your own homework next time.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Bama 1995-97. Georgia was no slouch. Ohio State with Heisman winner Eddie George. A very good Northwestern team.
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Bama didn't finish in the top 10. Georgia was a slouch (except for 97). OSU was good, but SEC teams aren't their thing. Northwestern wasn't in the Top 10. Manning had a losing record against Top 10 teams. Why Fulmer and Manning could never beat Florida continues to dumbfound me.

Edit: not so much Fulmer as PM.
 
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#29
#29
If he beats florida, people will say that the florida teams Manning faced were superior. Bray needs to win a couple of SEC championships or a national championship to be considered greater. It all goes back to hardware as it always has.
 
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salutethehill said:
Bama didn't finish in the top 10. Georgia was a slouch (except for 97). OSU was good, but SEC teams aren't their thing. Northwestern wasn't in the Top 10. Manning had a losing record against Top 10 teams. Why Fulmer and Manning could never beat Florida continues to dumbfound me.

Edit: not so much Fulmer as PM.
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Peyton's numbers were just awful against the Gatas...

Do you expect him to play defense? Or to personally keep Jay Graham from fumbling 2,000 times in the rain?
 
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salutethehill said:
Tee Martin?
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I thought of that too, but Tee only got to play 2 years whereas Manning and Bray both started playing as freshmen. Tee Martin was excellent at performing under the big lights and under extreme pressure. I love some Tee Martin, and I believe he needs to be talked more about as a Vol legend.
 
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#38
Part of Bray’s statistical success thus far can be attributed to sheer, unadulterated necessity, i.e. the lack of a dominant running game. On the one hand, Peyton has always demonstrated an ability, on both the collegiate and pro levels, for taking mediocre/good receivers and getting tremendous statistical productivity out of them. He was also surrounded, generally speaking, by a superior supporting cast compared to what Tyler currently has at his disposal. Nevertheless, I believe that time will eventually prove that Justin Hunter and Da’Rick Rogers are physically far more talented receivers than Joey Kent and Marcus Nash. Peyton, on the other hand, had much better running backs and, except for 1996, a clearly superior offensive line, so he wasn’t forced to take as much on his shoulders as Bray is right now. It will be very interesting to see if Bray develops that “cool-as-ice” road persona that Clausen possessed. That would be the best of all possible scenarios, given his obvious physical talents.
 
#39
#39
Of course, Bray could wind up being better than Peyton. Will he? That remains to be seen. I hope so, but I do not expect it.
 
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VolBalla2014 said:
Bray probably wouldn't stay a 4th year given the chance to leave after Junior Year, so no, he will not be a better volunteer than Peyton unless he stays his last year
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Silly argument. Being a better QB is what one poster stated about multiple wins, BCS games, among other things. It's honorable Manning came back for his senior year but THAT doesn't make him a better QB. It is what he achieved stat wise and leading his team to what he did. Bray could end up accomplishing as much or more than PM in a shorter period of time, cut and run from his senior year and be the better college QB. He wouldn't have to complete his senior to certify it. Personally, I'd like him and any college player to not leave until they got their degree. Look what has happened to Eric Berry. He could be done with football permanently, easily if his knee doesn't rehabilitate well. Having a degree is an insurance policy of sorts. But it doesn't dictate your being a better QB.
 
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WoodsmanVol said:
Silly argument. Being a better QB is what one poster stated about multiple wins, BCS games, among other things. It's honorable Manning came back for his senior year but THAT doesn't make him a better QB. It is what he achieved stat wise and leading his team to what he did. Bray could end up accomplishing as much or more than PM in a shorter period of time, cut and run from his senior year and be the better college QB. He wouldn't have to complete his senior to certify it. Personally, I'd like him and any college player to not leave until they got their degree. Look what has happened to Eric Berry. He could be done with football permanently, easily if his knee doesn't rehabilitate well. Having a degree is an insurance policy of sorts. But it doesn't dictate your being a better QB.
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How much money does EB get if he never plays another down?
 
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salutethehill said:
Bama didn't finish in the top 10. Georgia was a slouch (except for 97). OSU was good, but SEC teams aren't their thing. Northwestern wasn't in the Top 10. Manning had a losing record against Top 10 teams. WhyFulmer and Manning could never beat Florida continues to dumbfound me.
Edit: not so much Fulmer as PM.
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You answered your own question there, Hill. Fulmer was the reason we couldn't...!
 
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Kurtastrophe said:
1994:
Won his first start against Washington State.
Beat Virginia Tech in the Gator Bowl

1995:
Went 11-1 as a sophomore
Beat 11th ranked Bama at Bama.
Beat 4th ranked Ohio State in the Citrus Bowl
Finished number 2 in the coaches poll

1996:
Beat 7th ranked Bama
Beat 15th ranked Northwestern in the Citrus Bowl

1997:
Defeated unbeaten 7th ranked Georgia
Won the SEC East
Beat 11th ranked Auburn in the SEC Championship

Those are just the games that I could find rankings for, do your own homework next time.
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1994 — Won 8 Lost 4
Date Opponent Site TV AP Rank
UT/Opp Result
Sept. 3 UCLA Pasadena ABC 13/14 23-25 L
Sept. 10 Georgia N Athens ESPN 19/23 41-23 W
Sept. 17 Florida N Knoxville ESPN 15/1 0-31 L
Sept. 24 Mississippi State Starkville JP 23/-- 21-24 L
Oct. 1 Washington State (HC) Knoxville --/17 10-9 W
Oct. 8 Arkansas Knoxville PPV 38-21 W
Oct. 15 Alabama N Knoxville ESPN --/10 13-17 L
Oct. 29 South Carolina Columbia 31-22 W
Nov. 12 5Memphis Knoxville 24-13 W
Nov. 19 Kentucky Knoxville JP 52-0 W
Nov. 26 Vanderbilt Nashville JP 65-0 W
Gator Bowl
Dec. 30 Virginia Tech N Gainesville TBS --/17 45-23 W
SEC 5-3 (2nd East) - 22nd AP 363-208
Footnote 5-The present day University of Memphis was known as Memphis State from 1912-1993.
1995 — Won 11 Lost 1
Date Opponent Site TV AP Rank
UT/Opp Result
Sept. 2 East Carolina N Knoxville PPV 8/-- 27-7 W
Sept. 9 Georgia N Knoxville ESPN 8/-- 30-27 W
Sept. 16 Florida Gainesville ABC 8/4 37-62 L
Sept. 23 Mississippi State Knoxville ABC 15/-- 52-14 W
Sept. 30 Oklahoma State (HC) Knoxville PPV 12/-- 31-0 W
Oct. 7 Arkansas Fayetteville PPV 10/18 49-31 W
Oct. 14 Alabama N Birmingham ESPN 6/12 41-14 W
Oct. 28 South Carolina Knoxville JP 5/-- 56-21 W
Nov. 4 Southern Miss Knoxville PPV 5/-- 42-0 W
Nov. 18 Kentucky Lexington JP 4/-- 34-31 W
Nov. 25 Vanderbilt Knoxville JP 5/-- 12-7 W
Florida Citrus Bowl
Jan. 1 Ohio State Orlando ABC 4t/4t 20-14 W
SEC 7-1 (2nd East) - 3rd AP 431-228
1996 — Won 10 Lost 2
EDITOR’S NOTE: The NCAA officially abolished the tie as a viable conclusion to a game beginning with the 1996 football season with an overtime period format.
Date Opponent Site TV AP Rank
UT/Opp Result
Aug. 31 UNLV N Knoxville PPV 2/-- 62-3 W
Sept. 7 UCLA N Knoxville CBS 2/-- 35-20 W
Sept. 21 Florida Knoxville CBS 2/4 29-35 L
Oct. 3 Mississippi N Memphis ESPN 9/-- 41-3 W
Oct. 12 Georgia N Athens ESPN 7/-- 29-17 W
Oct. 26 Alabama Knoxville CBS 6/7 20-13 W
Nov. 2 South Carolina Columbia JP 6/-- 31-14 W
Nov. 9 Memphis Memphis CBS 6/-- 17-21 L
Nov. 16 Arkansas (HC) Knoxville JP 12/-- 55-14 W
Nov. 23 Kentucky Knoxville CBS 9/-- 56-10 W
Nov. 30 Vanderbilt N Nashville ESPN 9/-- 14-7 W
Florida Citrus Bowl
Jan. 1 Northwestern Orlando ABC 9/11 48-28 W
SEC 7-1 (2nd East)-9th AP 437-185
1997 — Won 11 Lost 2 (SEC CHAMPIONS)
Date Opponent Site TV AP Rank
UT/Opp Result
Aug. 30 Texas Tech N Knoxville ESPN 5/-- 52-17 W
Sept. 6 UCLA Pasadena ABC 3/-- 30-24 W
Sept. 20 Florida Gainesville CBS 4/2 20-33 L
Oct. 4 Mississippi Knoxville CBS 9/-- 31-17 W
Oct. 11 Georgia Knoxville CBS 9/13 38-13 W
Oct. 18 Alabama N Birmingham ESPN 9/-- 38-21 W
Nov. 1 South Carolina Knoxville JP 8/-- 22-7 W
Nov. 8 Southern Miss. (HC) Knoxville PPV 8/24 44-20 W
Nov. 15 Arkansas N Little Rock ESPN2 5/-- 30-22 W
Nov. 22 Kentucky Lexington ESPN2 5/-- 59-31 W
Nov. 29 Vanderbilt Knoxville CBS 3/-- 17-10 W
SEC Championship Game
Dec. 6 Auburn N Atlanta ABC 3/11 30-29 W
Orange Bowl
Jan. 2 Nebraska N Miami CBS 3/2 17-42 L
SEC 7-1 (1st/1st East) - 7th AP 428-286




I counted 6 L--- 2 W at a quick glance, Correct me if I'm wrong. next time you should do a little more research before you question others.

Note: might have counted one before he started in 94
 
#47
#47
Finishing your degree is probably a little easier when you're not playing football, and you have $34,000,000 in your bank account.
 
#48
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I think he can be. He needs to beat UF, Bama, and UGA at least 2 times I think and win an SEC title and at least win 1 BCS bowl. IMO.

*And of course keeping pace with all of Peyton's collegiate stats.
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#49
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mattvol16 said:
So with Tyler Bray lighting up the competition so far and will probably smash all of UTs passing recoreds. If he beats the Gators as Manning never did would he be considered ''Better'' then Manning as a college QB!!
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wow
 
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