Contract Extension for Coach Heupel?

#76
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CJH has performed well this year—better than most of us expected. I think next year will provide a different test. He will not have the benefit of players left by previous coaches, and he may have found lightning in a bottle with Hooker. The core of this team is gone next year. I want to see what happens then. He faces some real headwinds in recruiting this year, and will do well to have a top 20 class. There are many things to like about this coach, but I am in wait and see mode for a couple of years.
 
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Johnnyreb#VFL said:
OP is right. Successful coaches have all the leverage. Best believe his agent will be jockeying for a raise, if it’s between that or losing him to another school, pay the man.
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but what real success has he had? yea for sure he took a bad situation and has made progress with it, but other than that he had one key victory over Kentucky. i like the guy and think he is our guy to turn the corner, but i dont think he needs an extension this early.
 
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For the record, here is what he already has:
  • Winning the SEC Championship Game: $300,000
  • Appearing in the SEC Championship Game: $100,000
  • Winning the national title: $500,000
  • Appearing in the College Football Playoff National Championship Game: $400,000
  • Reaching the College Football Playoff: $300,000
  • Playing in a College Football Playoff Access Bowl Game: $200,000
  • Playing in a bowl game: $100,000
  • Top 5 finish in AP Top 25, Coaches Poll or CFP Poll: $150,000
  • Top 10 finish in AP Top 25, Coaches Poll or CFP Poll: $100,000
  • Top 25 finish in AP Top 25, Coaches Poll or CFP Poll: $50,000
  • National Coach of the Year: $100,000
  • AP SEC Coach of the Year: $50,000
  • Single-year or four-year Academic Progress Rates of 985 or greater: $100,000
  • Single-year or four-year Academic Progress Rates of 945 or greater: $50,000
I could be wrong, I got this from the media.

Looks like $100,000 is there for the taking, and he has a chance of snagging something beyond that here in Year 1.
 
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Heupel has the extra year added to his contract is we get any Level I (maybe even Level II) NCAA violations, which is pretty much a sure thing since Boyd/Plowman pretty much admitted LOIC ("we were shocked at how many violations there were and how widespread the involvement was.....") when they canned Pruitt.

Besides, I like Heupel but it's not like USC, LSU, or somebody is going to knock down the door to get at him. He's not proven he can recruit at an elite level nor win at a high level.......yet.

Let's talk in about 3 years.
 
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The HC should always be under contract for 5 seasons to ensure incoming recruits that he will be the HC for their college career as long as they keep improving. He signed a 6 year deal so he is good for now. After next year it would be time to tack on another year. As you add time to the current contract the base pay could remain the same with an increase coming on the added years if called for.
 
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SEC SHORTS could do a great piece on the way most fans approach the hiring and firing of coaches. This is the script.
Who is this guy and the #$%& did they hire him.
Hey, maybe he could be better than I thought. Do you think he is a candidate for _______?
I think we better lock him up with a raise and an extension.
I can’t believe we lost to Arkansas Teachers’ College! He’s obviously an idiot and we’ve got to get rid of him NOW!
This buyout is crazy. We are paying a gazillion dollars while he works at Bama for peanuts!
 
#83
#83
Give him a one time bonus. Raise and extension should only come after he proves he can build a roster.
 
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Iam4utalways said:
The HC should always be under contract for 5 seasons to ensure incoming recruits that he will be the HC for their college career as long as they keep improving. He signed a 6 year deal so he is good for now. After next year it would be time to tack on another year. As you add time to the current contract the base pay could remain the same with an increase coming on the added years if called for.
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That may be the "logic" being used... but it isn't logical. If they keep improving then they don't have to worry about their job. If I were a recruit and my coach were replaced for performance during my career... I'd want his buyout as low as possible to help get a great replacement.
 
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I'd have no problem if they wanted to give him a bonus that wasn't already in his contract for doing better than many thought, but no reason to extend a contract that has 5 more years on it.
 
#86
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Let’s see how this off-season goes(recruiting, transfers and player development). Then how we do in year two. If we beat one of the big 3, nice bowl with a 9-3/maybe 8-4 then we talk about raises and extensions.
 
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sjt18 said:
That may be the "logic" being used... but it isn't logical. If they keep improving then they don't have to worry about their job. If I were a recruit and my coach were replaced for performance during my career... I'd want his buyout as low as possible to help get a great replacement.
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For me it’s a show of good faith that there is confidence in the HC. Even when behind the scenes there are questions, showing stability to recruits might be important. Often recruits are picking due to HC and the schemes they run. If a recruit is a good fit with a certain HC and scheme but the long term is in question or a short contract is used against the HC in recruiting by other programs, it just seems like one thing that can be removed from the discussion.

There is a length of contract that says the HC isn’t going anywhere. For me the number is 5. I think once you get under the amount of time a player can compete then there is room to bring in doubt about stability.

What contract length do you think shows stability?

We are wanting recruits that are capable of coming in and starting as freshmen and go pro ASAP due to their talent and contributions to the success of the team. The longer they stay just brings more stability to the program.
 
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#88
No. Premature. We have given out too many early ones in the past. I would not be opposed to a modest raise, but no extension.

Let's give it one more season.

On a related note, if Jimmy Sexton were to walk in front my vehicle by mistake, I really do hope my brakes don't fail. They can be unreliable at times.
 
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SockeyeVol said:
I'd like to see a sliding scale we can agree to, so we don't discuss this every time time the sunshine returns:

0-3 wins - Fired for cause
4-5 wins - Just fired
6 wins (first time) - Contract continuance*
7 wins - Extended for 5 years*
8+ wins - Extended for 10 years*
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Blue font please

Having said that, your last option might not be far off what ole Fisher has down at Tamu
 
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UT Hill Man said:
Listen, this may be a little premature to talk about, but if CJH holds serve against Vandy and South Alabama he will deserve an extension IMO.

With a 7-5 record in his first season, after surviving the huge number transfers and going through the process of implementing a new system to the program, he has proven he belongs here.

When the season is over we ought to make a statement that this is our guy, and you can get on the bus now or get flattened by it.
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Hell No
 
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UT Hill Man said:
Listen, this may be a little ridiculously premature to talk about, but if CJH holds serve against Vandy and South Alabama he will deserve an extension IMO.

With a 7-5 record in his first season, after surviving the huge number transfers and going through the process of implementing a new system to the program, he has proven he belongs here.

When the season is over we ought to make a statement that this is our guy, and you can get on the bus now or get flattened by it.
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FIFY
 
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Iam4utalways said:
For me it’s a show of good faith that there is confidence in the HC. Even when behind the scenes there are questions, showing stability to recruits might be important. Often recruits are picking due to HC and the schemes they run. If a recruit is a good fit with a certain HC and scheme but the long term is in question or a short contract is used against the HC in recruiting by other programs, it just seems like one thing that can be removed from the discussion.

There is a length of contract that says the HC isn’t going anywhere. For me the number is 5. I think once you get under the amount of time a player can compete then there is room to bring in doubt about stability.

What contract length do you think shows stability?

We are wanting recruits that are capable of coming in and starting as freshmen and go pro ASAP due to their talent and contributions to the success of the team. The longer they stay just brings more stability to the program.
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I think the concern to recruits is way overstated and a product of Coaches' agents trying to find leverage.

I don't think any coach that has not been at his current school for at least 3 years deserves a big buyout. What UT has paid Jones and Dooley and would have paid Pruitt is ridiculous in the extreme. IIRC, all of them got an extension after their first year though any reasonable look at the results would have said they shouldn't. Whether you accomplish that with a shorter term or simply a clause that limits the buyout if wins do not total a certain number makes no difference to me. I'm just fed up with seeing clowns like Jones get paid like he was to do absolutely NOTHING.
 
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sjt18 said:
I think the concern to recruits is way overstated and a product of Coaches' agents trying to find leverage.

I don't think any coach that has not been at his current school for at least 3 years deserves a big buyout. What UT has paid Jones and Dooley and would have paid Pruitt is ridiculous in the extreme. IIRC, all of them got an extension after their first year though any reasonable look at the results would have said they shouldn't. Whether you accomplish that with a shorter term or simply a clause that limits the buyout if wins do not total a certain number makes no difference to me. I'm just fed up with seeing clowns like Jones get paid like he was to do absolutely NOTHING.
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They all had losing records their respective first years (but Heupel very likely will not!). I am certain neither Jones nor Pruitt got an extension. If Dooley did, then Hamilton goes down another notch, but I don't think even Hamilton would have extended a guy that went 6-7, with embarrassing losses to LSU (13 men on the field!) and our Music City bowl opponent UNC (remember the 10 second run-off rule is sometimes called "the Dooley rule).).
 
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Firebirdparts said:
For the record, here is what he already has:
  • Winning the SEC Championship Game: $300,000
  • Appearing in the SEC Championship Game: $100,000
  • Winning the national title: $500,000
  • Appearing in the College Football Playoff National Championship Game: $400,000
  • Reaching the College Football Playoff: $300,000
  • Playing in a College Football Playoff Access Bowl Game: $200,000
  • Playing in a bowl game: $100,000
  • Top 5 finish in AP Top 25, Coaches Poll or CFP Poll: $150,000
  • Top 10 finish in AP Top 25, Coaches Poll or CFP Poll: $100,000
  • Top 25 finish in AP Top 25, Coaches Poll or CFP Poll: $50,000
  • National Coach of the Year: $100,000
  • AP SEC Coach of the Year: $50,000
  • Single-year or four-year Academic Progress Rates of 985 or greater: $100,000
  • Single-year or four-year Academic Progress Rates of 945 or greater: $50,000
I could be wrong, I got this from the media.

Looks like $100,000 is there for the taking, and he has a chance of snagging something beyond that here in Year 1.
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Honestly his bonus schedule looks like chump change… this should be where he makes bank not in a contract extension. sec coach of the year?? 50k? Don’t bother just give that to your charity of choice if your base is 4mil
 
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UT Hill Man said:
Listen, this may be a little premature to talk about, but if CJH holds serve against Vandy and South Alabama he will deserve an extension IMO.

With a 7-5 record in his first season, after surviving the huge number transfers and going through the process of implementing a new system to the program, he has proven he belongs here.

When the season is over we ought to make a statement that this is our guy, and you can get on the bus now or get flattened by it.
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OMG No. Very premature. We gave him a 5 year contract. He hasn't even finished the season. We need to stop making decisions out of fear and spoil. When we have a good one, don't fire him. When we make an offer, stick to it. If we aren't firing good coaches, others will come.
 
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