Concerning player grades and responsibility of the coach...

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All I can say on this one is when my oldest son taught his very first class at MTSU, first day of class, MTSU coach Kermit Davis walked in to his classroom, (mistaking him for a student at first), and told him that he wanted to be kept informed about his players (2 in my son's class) progress, etc. I think somewhere some kind of communication has got to be there, not just at the end of the semester when it's too late. This seems to be the case here.
 
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why do you think that's the case?

classroom stuff is individual responsibility, but the staff takes some of it anyway. that is pathetic. making excuses for the players with problems is even more pathetic
 
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Coaches can apply pressure to kids to make them show up for class and make extra help available. Beyond that, I'm not sure what else they can do.
 
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I agree on individual responsibility but disagree on the level of the a coaches responsibility. This is college ball. Part of the coach's responsibility is to make sure the kids can play. For any coach to be surprised by a players ineligibility due to academics at the end of a semester is just another indication the current staff is out of touch.
 
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With all the resources available at big schools to help football players in their academics (and the very undemanding NCAA requirements), no coaches should have to go to individual professors and keep up with player academics. I can only imagine what the chatter on this board would be if we found out the coaching staff was spending hours each week tracking academic issues, instead of working on the game plans.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
and the coach acting surprised is nothing more than an act
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I think you are probably right. They may not know for sure until grades are posted, but I'd bet that every year the coaches know the players that are remotely in trouble academically.
 
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GAVol said:
I think you are probably right. They may not know for sure until grades are posted, but I'd bet that every year the coaches know the players that are remotely in trouble academically.
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No question.
 
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I think if the coaches were any more involved with athletes passing their test, we would be called Florida State right now. I don't hang this one on the coaching staff.
 
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Given Kermit's track record, he probably wanted to meet the instructor so he knew who to attempt to threaten and intimidate if he got word his players were failing.
 
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From what a I read on Taylor, his GPA was high enough, he just didn't take enough credits in his major

I don't know about the others, but It's all Troopers fault anyway....
 
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Trooper leaves and all goes to hell. He is the glue that holds the Vols together. He had me at hello.
 
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utfantilidie said:
All I can say on this one is when my oldest son taught his very first class at MTSU, first day of class, MTSU coach Kermit Davis walked in to his classroom, (mistaking him for a student at first), and told him that he wanted to be kept informed about his players (2 in my son's class) progress, etc. I think somewhere some kind of communication has got to be there, not just at the end of the semester when it's too late. This seems to be the case here.
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Kermit Davis is a basketball coach responsible for 15-20 student athletes. It stands to reason that he would have a little more time to tend to 15-20. Now if he had 85-100 student athletes... I'm not making excuses for this coaching staff but you are comparing apples and oranges.

These students are completely responsible for their grades. On the other hand I do find it hard to believe the coaching staff wasn't informed of academic problems going into final exams. With the academic advisors and resources available the "I didn't know" story doesn't make much sense. There is enough responsibility to go around in this one.
 
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The grades and progress, or in this case the lack thereof, is without doubt 100% on the players back.

They got a scholarship because they were "men" and ready for responsibility. They don't need a coach to hold their hand to make sure they are doing something they sure as hell knew they were supposed to do to play football.
 
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The big question is, "Does this happen anywhere else? Are 6 players being academically ineligible an anomoly?"

I haven't seen much of it at UTK or anywhere else for bowl games. Sure, it happens here and there, but are there schools that it "never" happens to? How do those coaches get their kids to stay eligible?
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
The big question is, "Does this happen anywhere else? Are 6 players being academically ineligible an anomoly?"

I haven't seen much of it at UTK or anywhere else for bowl games. Sure, it happens here and there, but are there schools that it "never" happens to? How do those coaches get their kids to stay eligible?
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Florida State?:ermm:
 
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Jasongivm6 said:
The big question is, "Does this happen anywhere else? Are 6 players being academically ineligible an anomoly?"

I haven't seen much of it at UTK or anywhere else for bowl games. Sure, it happens here and there, but are there schools that it "never" happens to? How do those coaches get their kids to stay eligible?
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Michigan State had a handful of guys declared ineligible for their bowl game.
 
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What's the minimum hours to be a full time student? 12 hours or 4 classes (3 hours a week each)?

Plus they get to register first and get their pick of the teachers (athlete friendly).

Not much excuse, it's a light load of easy classes and teachers. If they can read and make a mimimal effort they should pass.
 
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From what I've read, Lucas Taylor's case seems to be less a grade problem than just bad scheduling - which is still his fault.
 
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GAVol said:
From what I've read, Lucas Taylor's case seems to be less a grade problem than just bad scheduling - which is still his fault.
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UT does provide academic advisors to avoid problems like that. That program is unbelievably incompetent.
 
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GAVol said:
You may have a point, but it's still his fault.
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It was my fault that I scheduled badly my senior year, despite the fact that my academic advisor assured me everything was in order. I was informed that I didn't have two requirements necessary for my degree after my family had already witnessed me walk across the stage. However, the only penalty was that I had to take a couple of summer courses. I feel a little sorry for Lucas on this one. He more than likely just made a simple oversight. It's not like he neglected his academics. He probably would have set the UT single season receptions record if not for this.
 
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Remember when Jon Higgins took 3 or 4 upper level math courses in one semester? How incompetent was either he or his advisor?
 
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