Colton Jumper getting the start via new depth chart

[tbones0711]

Here we go again. He single handed lost us OU.

i'm not going anywhere again. #13, (penalty in endzone, falling down on TD pass), # 48,ellis,(dropping for sure TD pass on 5 yd. line, did more to cost us last year's OU game than anyone else, in my opinion. Sat. night against VT jumper was on the play, kinda a trick play,where evan's faked a run until he got to line of scrimmage and then jumped up and threw the pass to a fullback for a sizeable gain that could have easily went a lot further had not jumper reacted quickly. he,like 3 other vols, bit on the fake run. one who bit was #21. the truth of the matter is that jumper reacted/recovered quick enough to limit the gain. too many supposedly "loyal" big orange fans on these boards posting negative comments about matters they know very little about. we've got a free week to find out how well jumper is gonna play. also the play i mentioned above occured before DK was injured. why was jumper playing MLB on that series? sure, you know more than our coaching staff which is easy to tell since you state that jumper "single-handedly", cost us the OU game. i suggest you watch the OU replay one more time before you start calling players out.

 

[orange parmejohn]

Logic don't go around here Larry. People have a hard time wrapping there head around this concept.. Maybe they've spent to much time around high school football where favoritism and some of the other conspiracy theories talked about here actually happen..

I think the issue that can't be rationalized is that an SEC school with back to back top 10 recruiting classes not being able to field a LB that at least looks to belong in Div 1 football. It is easier to believe conspiracy than that.

 

[GAVol]

This thread is just proof of something I've heard said.... Every man thinks he can grill a steak, run a church and coach football.

 

[Remy]

It's unacceptable that we have had 0 development at MLB outside Kirk for the past two years iyam.

Kirk WAS the development LB last year as a true freshman. Pressed into service early when Bynum and others including Jumper could not get it done per the previous DC. A new DC is seeing the same thing so what does that mean??? Again applying it to QBs, when the lights come on and the crowd is screaming some kids get it done and play better than they do even in practice. Other kids freeze up and cannot elevate their play. Peterman failed miserably when wearing orange at QB when the lights came on, had the confidence of the team and coaches based on practices. Can it be Jumper is a great practice player with the confidence of the team and coaches yet fails miserably when the lights come on and the band is playing??? It seems that way so far based on my lay position as a Vol fan.

 

[Kevinyaheard]

Oh come on.

So you rip the guy nonstop for days, then make a sarcastic comment about him being Florida's worst nightmare, ostensibly based on his appearance judging by the picture you attached...just how in the hell is that supposed to be interpreted?

You've mentioned before it's easy for you to go dark. Take a break or something. It's incessant. You're seeking out negativity and wallowing in it.

The only appearance is how awful he APPEARED in the live telecast of every game he has played and subsequent replay there after. I slowed down and noted every single missed tackle and delayed reaction to his reads. Def not a fast twitch guy. I can read a defense and would kill myself in practice too, but I sure don't need to even run through the T, much less see the field. Period.

 

[Kevinyaheard]

This thread is just proof of something I've heard said.... Every man thinks he can grill a steak, run a church and coach football.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. I've seen how this movie ends. I wouldn't mind failing if we at least TRIED a different solution, instead of failing with the same old FAILURE. :crazy:

 

[KBVol]

His father is 100% the 4th biggest donor to UT. Not saying that Jay Jumper is forcing CBJ to play his son. Just saying that he is a big donor.

If Colton is getting playing time due his father donating $$ to the University, which I personally find very, very difficult to believe, that's a huge indictment of the character and integrity of Jones, his staff and AD in general. I just refuse to believe for one second that's the case.

 

[butchna]

Passed him on campus two days ago. The 6'0" 195 lbs guess is spot on judging by his chest width, forearm size, and small calves.

Did he ask you why you were tape measuring him?

 

[ShooterVFL]

I just watched the defensive plays posted by Freak (thanks by the way) and focused on Jumper on every play he was in. Any of you that have ever played football know this type of player. Smart, athletic, good size BUT AFRAID OF CONTACT. In my experience these players usually, not always, came from upper class families that lived a pampered lifestyle. They have the tools and the coaches very much want them to succeed but they don't have the dog in them. Go back if you haven't and watch how many times he just wonders around the play when everyone else is flying to the ball. I understand why they try to limit contact in practice but this could also be why he performs better in that setting. It's much easier to be in the right place at the right time if you know that encounter will result in a thud from a green contact jersey. Very different when you know the opposing player has bad intentions for you. I don't know him personally and no I don't attend practice so I can't say for certain this is the case and while I may not even be able to prove he was afraid of contact in the VT game, the film certainly proves he was not seeking it out. There are certain positions that in my opinion reward dog over measurables. I want someone in the middle that enjoys making people dread coming that way.

 

[KBVol]

Passed him on campus two days ago. The 6'0" 195 lbs guess is spot on judging by his chest width, forearm size, and small calves.

Dude, we've seen him on the field. He's a fairly long, lankier type linebacker. He's not real thick, but he's sure as hell bigger and thicker than 6' 195lbs...that's just ridiculous. Perhaps it was someone else you "passed on campus" the other day if that's your honest assessment.

 

[sjt18]

His father is 100% the 4th biggest donor to UT. Not saying that Jay Jumper is forcing CBJ to play his son. Just saying that he is a big donor.

I have no personal knowledge however LWSVol who IS a booster with significant connections with other boosters said here the other day that Jumper's dad was not a very big donor.

Do you have a source better than Larry to prove otherwise?

 

[VOL-uh-tile]

I just watched the defensive plays posted by Freak (thanks by the way) and focused on Jumper on every play he was in. Any of you that have ever played football know this type of player. Smart, athletic, good size BUT AFRAID OF CONTACT. In my experience these players usually, not always, came from upper class families that lived a pampered lifestyle. They have the tools and the coaches very much want them to succeed but they don't have the dog in them. Go back if you haven't and watch how many times he just wonders around the play when everyone else is flying to the ball. I understand why they try to limit contact in practice but this could also be why he performs better in that setting. It's much easier to be in the right place at the right time if you know that encounter will result in a thud from a green contact jersey. Very different when you know the opposing player has bad intentions for you. I don't know him personally and no I don't attend practice so I can't say for certain this is the case and while I may not even be able to prove he was afraid of contact in the VT game, the film certainly proves he was not seeking it out. There are certain positions that in my opinion reward dog over measurables. I want someone in the middle that enjoys making people dread coming that way.

Hadn't thought of this aspect, seems viable. You can see the dog in Gaulden so far, #7 has been putting the hurt on some guys.

 

[butchna]

Dude, we've seen him on the field. He's a fairly long, lankier type linebacker. He's not real thick, but he's sure as hell bigger and thicker than 6' 195lbs...that's just ridiculous. Perhaps it was someone else you "passed on campus" the other day if that's your honest assessment.

All redheads do look alike.

 

[ShooterVFL]

Hadn't thought of this aspect, seems viable. You can see the dog in Gaulden so far, #7 has been putting the hurt on some guys.

No doubt, #7 brings it every play. That's what it takes. In many cases, Barnett or Jack Jones for example, aggression can make up for quote unquote measurables. In Jumpers case he's not outstandingly gifted with size or athletic ability but he could be vastly better if he would just line up every play and smack somebody.

Just using your example, and not to imply Gaulden could play the mike lol, but who had you rather catch a slant over the middle in front of? Hearing those footsteps can really interfere with the catch.

 

[tbones0711]

I just watched the defensive plays posted by Freak (thanks by the way) and focused on Jumper on every play he was in. Any of you that have ever played football know this type of player. Smart, athletic, good size BUT AFRAID OF CONTACT. In my experience these players usually, not always, came from upper class families that lived a pampered lifestyle. They have the tools and the coaches very much want them to succeed but they don't have the dog in them. Go back if you haven't and watch how many times he just wonders around the play when everyone else is flying to the ball. I understand why they try to limit contact in practice but this could also be why he performs better in that setting. It's much easier to be in the right place at the right time if you know that encounter will result in a thud from a green contact jersey. Very different when you know the opposing player has bad intentions for you. I don't know him personally and no I don't attend practice so I can't say for certain this is the case and while I may not even be able to prove he was afraid of contact in the VT game, the film certainly proves he was not seeking it out. There are certain positions that in my opinion reward dog over measurables. I want someone in the middle that enjoys making people dread coming that way.

i did take up for jumper a little bit in a reply on page 27. i have read most of the posts,(over 400), and the consensus is; intellect-grade a...athletic ability- grade d. i've seen him play and the SEC coaches will go right at him. He has gotten somewhat better but ain't got that dog in him as you stated. on most teams the MLB is the defensive QB and does call the signals, set the defense,etc... it very well may be a case that jumper is the only safe alternative to DK when it comes to setting the D. i would like to think that JRM is capable enough to set the D, allowing him to move to the middle and then playing mcdowell and sapp on the outside. that to many seems to be the best option. GBO !:good!:

 

[UT-Rex]

I just watched the defensive plays posted by Freak (thanks by the way) and focused on Jumper on every play he was in. Any of you that have ever played football know this type of player. Smart, athletic, good size BUT AFRAID OF CONTACT. In my experience these players usually, not always, came from upper class families that lived a pampered lifestyle. They have the tools and the coaches very much want them to succeed but they don't have the dog in them. Go back if you haven't and watch how many times he just wonders around the play when everyone else is flying to the ball. I understand why they try to limit contact in practice but this could also be why he performs better in that setting. It's much easier to be in the right place at the right time if you know that encounter will result in a thud from a green contact jersey. Very different when you know the opposing player has bad intentions for you. I don't know him personally and no I don't attend practice so I can't say for certain this is the case and while I may not even be able to prove he was afraid of contact in the VT game, the film certainly proves he was not seeking it out. There are certain positions that in my opinion reward dog over measurables. I want someone in the middle that enjoys making people dread coming that way.

You're looking for an AJ Johnson (of most-recent lore)?

If you have some exra time, review this vid, closely, on " A.J. Johnson vs Florida 2012 " -- (beginning with the first 2 plays, you'll think he's in on / hitting someone on EVERY play, but keep watching) I see some very very good plays on his part, but we still lost this game even with a great LB, and for the most part AJ was 1 of 11 guys on the field (one specific good tackle which should have been penalized for hitting qb out of bounds; several times he couldn't keep up with the ball carrier; a couple of missed arm tackles; shedding blocks but unable to catch the runner; etc. -- all things we've seen from Jumper, and even JRM, to-date).

I suspect you're reaching with this possibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etQc4n7QWVg

 

[BearCat204]

His father is 100% the 4th biggest donor to UT. Not saying that Jay Jumper is forcing CBJ to play his son. Just saying that he is a big donor.

100% inaccurate

 

[Rodhot1975]

Passed him on campus two days ago. The 6'0" 195 lbs guess is spot on judging by his chest width, forearm size, and small calves.

I think your right. People should not get upset because he is a undersized lb. Todd Kelly is 205 and he looks a lot bigger than jumper. That's just our opinion. And he is not a fast guy , maybe he has a lot of heart.but against big running backs in the sec in might take more than just good practice habits.

 

[GAVol]

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results. I've seen how this movie ends. I wouldn't mind failing if we at least TRIED a different solution, instead of failing with the same old FAILURE. :crazy:

You've got no earthly idea how many snaps he'll even see. I seriously doubt he's out there for 50 plays.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

the real indictment here is the players behind Jumper. They are scholarship players who have not shown the coaches (including 2 coordinators) enough to put Jumper on the bench. Why? These players need to step up and fight for the job and just haven't done so.

I can promise you I've never been around a single coach (been around Tennessee coaches since the 80s) that are not putting the very best player on the field in games they believe give them the best chance to win. They don't spend 80-100 hours a week in the complex to play a worse player over a better player. Be idiotic. Be coaching suicide. You better assume they are doing that and maybe even hope the worse player doesn't get on the field.

we can cry about it all we want to but the bottom line is Jumper is outperforming players on scholarship. Been around a lot of players who are okay with that and just getting their education. This is also going back to the 80s

No. Its on the coaches.

They should have recruited better players. Or they should have known earlier that the guys behind Kirkland can't play and moved someone like McDowell or Sapp to the Mike linebacker position.

At the end of the day, personnel issues will always be on the coaches.

 

[KBVol]

No. Its on the coaches.

They should have recruited better players. Or they should have known earlier that the guys behind Kirkland can't play and moved someone like McDowell or Sapp to the Mike linebacker position.

At the end of the day, personnel issues will always be on the coaches.

Plenty of blame to go around. Coaches have evidently recruited a number of linebackers who either can't or have little interest in stepping up and playing at an SEC level.

 

[vols 30]

All redheads do look alike.

Carrot top or Kathy Griffin?

 

[90 Vol]

It's interesting to look back on the VT film focusing strictly on LB play. My 2 cents.

Maybin-He's all over the place, great pursuit, very good in pass coverage. Misses too many tackles looking for the kill shot. However, it's impressive when he connects.

Kirkland-IMO, our most complete LB. Great range, cover skills and a sure tackler.

Jumper-He's not as aggressive as Maybin or Kirkland but he will attempt to tackle. He's always around the pile but rarely do you see him just straight up take somebody down. He's otrocious in pass coverage. VT immediately went after him when he was on the field.

 

[tonybologna]

Somebody posted a coaches quote from practice & the coach said that McDowell was actually going to start & they're moving JRM to the outside leaving Jumper out of the starting lineup.

Is this not the case now? This post was from a couple of days ago. About the same time this thread was created. Thanks!

 

[ShooterVFL]

You're looking for an AJ Johnson (of most-recent lore)?

If you have some exra time, review this vid, closely, on " A.J. Johnson vs Florida 2012 " -- (beginning with the first 2 plays, you'll think he's in on / hitting someone on EVERY play, but keep watching) I see some very very good plays on his part, but we still lost this game even with a great LB, and for the most part AJ was 1 of 11 guys on the field (one specific good tackle which should have been penalized for hitting qb out of bounds; several times he couldn't keep up with the ball carrier; a couple of missed arm tackles; shedding blocks but unable to catch the runner; etc. -- all things we've seen from Jumper, and even JRM, to-date).

I suspect you're reaching with this possibility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etQc4n7QWVg

Not sure I follow Rex. Are you trying to say you wouldn't have a preference between AJ and Jumper?