College coaches quitting

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Cafego's Ghost said:
No, simply signing a free market contract does not make you an employee. As well, such a contract would be with the NIL, not the college, so there is that.
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I’ll let someone more familiar with the court cases and the rules weigh in but I don’t believe that’s possible. If it was that simple, folks would already be doing it. I believe the NIL collectives can make agreements with the players but they can’t stop them from leaving for a better offer. The collectives can’t put those kinds of limits on them and the courts have agreed. Nobody has a good answer but I believe the only answer is for the schools to sign them to employment contracts.
 
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hog88 said:
No, the NCAA could allow collectives to offer pay for play binding contracts. Currently that is against NCAA rules.
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They could but I don’t believe they will because they know it’s another court case they’d lose. Currently they are 0 for forever in court cases involving anything regarding NIL or the portal. If the colleges thought they could get binding contracts through NIL, why haven’t they already pressed the NCAA to change the rules? I’m confused since I’ve seen all these threads and posts talking about how the NCAA is helpless and can’t do anything about this mess.
 
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Pay for play, by anyone, makes the player a pro athlete. So if a collective pays a player to play for a team by contract, that player is a pro and not eligible, currently, to play college ball. Professionals cannot play in college, remember?

You can't call it a "name, image, or likeness" contract and also a pay for play at a specific place contract. That's not what NIL is. Pay for play is definitely a professional athlete's contract and has nothing to do with NIL.

You can't have it both ways:
we'll pay the athlete to play at a school
BUT
they aren't a pro athlete.

That obviously is not possible.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So many in here made fun if Saban for retiring. Said he quit because “he couldn’t compete on a level playing field.” So dumb. Now you see why he quit. Imagine having to put up with this ridiculous crap in your early 70s.

I mean as a coach you have to constantly re-recruit everyone of your players. Gotta make sure to keep everyone happy or they just leave. Players have a decent year? Time for more money. It’s ridiculous.
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Sounds a lot like how the rest of the labor force works. Most of theses guys are not there for the college experience and education. Otherwise, the ivy league would be the best conference and schools like Vandy would be at the top of the SEC. It’s almost ridiculous to claim the majority are, or ever were, student athletes.
 
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Players don't win Championships, Teams win Championships.
NIL has sucked the life out of team building.
NIL created a plug and play event vs a team building event.

NFL vs College-Business vs Amature. Contracts vs no Obligation.
Team built with opportunity to better (NFL) vs buy a new team every year (NCAA)

College Coaches can't Coach like this.
Knowing a player is out the door if he does like a technique or wants more money.
Some need to move on because the money grab becomes a locker room infection and without some rules governing this area of NIL, then, expect more of the same.
Signing dates, portal transfers should only be set for one period a year and should never be done during the season. Control what you can control.

The players are controlling the agenda because the rules allow it. The Portal open during the playoffs is just dumb. Early Signing period is ok but if they sign can they not just portal out and change before the season?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So many in here made fun if Saban for retiring. Said he quit because “he couldn’t compete on a level playing field.” So dumb. Now you see why he quit. Imagine having to put up with this ridiculous crap in your early 70s.

I mean as a coach you have to constantly re-recruit everyone of your players. Gotta make sure to keep everyone happy or they just leave. Players have a decent year? Time for more money. It’s ridiculous.
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The coaches have been doing it for years, they were the pigs first.
 
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It's like hiring the best farmers, putting them on fertile soil, then telling them their crops have to be rotated twice a year.

It negates each farmer's skills and accumulated experience, and there's no harvest.
 
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People like Saban can eat a bag of deez....dude made his millions on the sport and is now whining others are getting a piece of the pie.

I agree it needs structure but that old douche bag can sit his old ass down.
 
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CINCYVOL said:
The coaches have been doing it for years, they were the pigs first.
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Coaches, networks and universities started all this decades ago when college football became big business. People getting mad at the players are mad at the wrong thing, this is the logical conclusion to what was started. Holding the players to an incredibly outdated standard is silly. This ain't the 60s with 3 channels and maybe 2 games on a week.

So get a system in place that is as fair as it can get or at least more fair than now and work on it. And the coaches that dont' want to deal with it after making their millions....piss off.
 
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Another long time coach calls it quits today. Dirk Koetter, OC at Boise State and 42 years in the business, specifically called out NIL, the transfer portal and the lack of commitment by today’s players. The old timers just aren’t going to fool with it anymore.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
So many in here made fun if Saban for retiring. Said he quit because “he couldn’t compete on a level playing field.” So dumb. Now you see why he quit. Imagine having to put up with this ridiculous crap in your early 70s.

I mean as a coach you have to constantly re-recruit everyone of your players. Gotta make sure to keep everyone happy or they just leave. Players have a decent year? Time for more money. It’s ridiculous.
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Saban knew it was going to be a clown show and that he’d have no control of his players. At his age, he knew he wanted no part of it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
People like Saban can eat a bag of deez....dude made his millions on the sport and is now whining others are getting a piece of the pie.

I agree it needs structure but that old douche bag can sit his old ass down.
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Let's not forget how Nick Saban publicly boasted about how much Bryce Young was making from NIL deals back in 2021.

www.si.com

Nick Saban of Bryce Young's NIL Deals: 'It's Almost Seven Figures'

Alabama coach Nick Saban discussed NIL, and how quarterback Bryce Young has capitalized on the recently-passed legislation
www.si.com www.si.com

His protests now are disingenuous. I guess he thinks only Alabama's players should get paid big money?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Let's not forget how Nick Saban publicly boasted about how much Bryce Young was making from NIL deals back in 2021.

www.si.com

Nick Saban of Bryce Young's NIL Deals: 'It's Almost Seven Figures'

Alabama coach Nick Saban discussed NIL, and how quarterback Bryce Young has capitalized on the recently-passed legislation
www.si.com www.si.com

His protests now are disingenuous. I guess he thinks only Alabama's players should get paid big money?
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Saban has repeatedly said that he had no problem with players being paid for their NIL. It is the unlimited portal movement that drove him out, the re-recruiting of your roster every season and the inability to really build a program any more.

You can hate Saban all you want, but he saw the writing on the wall and got the hell out. I don't blame him a bit, and nothing he has said since then is hypocritical as to why he left.
 
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sami said:
Saban has repeatedly said that he had no problem with players being paid for their NIL. It is the unlimited portal movement that drove him out, the re-recruiting of your roster every season and the inability to really build a program any more.

You can hate Saban all you want, but he saw the writing on the wall and got the hell out. I don't blame him a bit, and nothing he has said since then is hypocritical as to why he left.
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He was very active in recruiting prospective transfers from other rosters even before there was a portal. Yes, he does come across as a hypocrite now.

Whether from over-signing or helping recently fired coaches from rival schools circumvent their buyout obligations, by hiring them as "analysts," Saban was always about manipulating rules. It's only now that there basically are no rules that he is resentful of the system, that he could no longer abuse to his advantage.
 
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Delmar said:
They could but I don’t believe they will because they know it’s another court case they’d lose. Currently they are 0 for forever in court cases involving anything regarding NIL or the portal. If the colleges thought they could get binding contracts through NIL, why haven’t they already pressed the NCAA to change the rules? I’m confused since I’ve seen all these threads and posts talking about how the NCAA is helpless and can’t do anything about this mess.
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Exactly right. Add the NCAA also lost the Pavia case about non NCAA junior college counting against NCAA eligibility. They are incompetent to go with their stupidity and their host of rules that violate federal law.
 
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Delmar said:
Another long time coach calls it quits today. Dirk Koetter, OC at Boise State and 42 years in the business, specifically called out NIL, the transfer portal and the lack of commitment by today’s players. The old timers just aren’t going to fool with it anymore.
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Good! College sports needs some new blood in the coaching ranks. Coaches that are younger, more energetic, more savvy in the current model, and more connected with what it takes to win.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Good! College sports needs some new blood in the coaching ranks. Coaches that are younger, more energetic, more savvy in the current model, and more connected with what it takes to win.
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One thing for certain. If you don’t embrace it, you aren’t going to be successful in the new world of college football and basketball. Your grandad’s major college sports is extinct.
 
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Also those that keep saying how the sport is ruined and on and on about them being "student athletes"....you have options. And they are FCS, Divison II, Division III, NAIA, and NJCAA.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Also those that keep saying how the sport is ruined and on and on about them being "student athletes"....you have options. And they are FCS, Divison II, Division III, NAIA, and NJCAA.
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There are, however, the quality of football played at Burke-Tarr Stadium isn't quite like it is at Neyland so I'm not sure ESPN will be offering the...... ??? South Atlantic Conference???..... a few billion to televise their games.

Despite Neyland being sold out all the time, most of the viewers and fans are on their couch. It's pretty tough to find Carson-Newman football on TV.
 
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Basketball coaches got fed up and impacted early.

There is a reason that Roy Williams, Coach K and Tony Bennett walked away over the past few years and it ain’t cause they were tired of coaching or the money.

Harder when you have to keep a much smaller group in tact to win. They all had 7-8 key players they had to try to keep each year and the biding and tampering got out of control quickly but quietly in basketball.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
So... coach Prime is looking for a new gig now that his kid is gone to the NFL?

I'm shocked.
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I doubt that's it. Colorado has a pretty good QB coming in. Prime gets lots of college FB-ready recruits and cherry pucks the portal.

I think it's more about the chance to coach in the NFL for a team that he won a Super Bowl with as a player. He would also be in a situation where he could possibly draft one or both of his sons, or Travis Hunter and Shilo.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
I doubt that's it. Colorado has a pretty good QB coming in. Prime gets lots of college FB-ready recruits and cherry pucks the portal.

I think it's more about the chance to coach in the NFL for a team that he won a Super Bowl with as a player. He would also be in a situation where he could possibly draft one or both of his sons, or Travis Hunter and Shilo.
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you have that backwards. Prime gets a couple highly rated HS players, and then fills his team up with portal players. 2025 was 14 HS recruits. 2024 was 13 HS recruits.
 
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