Coaching Search- The Reality

[creekdipper]

Which fans have you encountered insisting upon a certain gender and/or Tennessee ties?

 

[Coach Jumper]

Realistically, how many current coaches can accomplish that feat?

(Aside from you, Jump. )

Anybody who's serious about coaching Lady Vols need to have exactly that standard

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

Yeah, but the contention was that a CKH hire would lead to a turnover in both HC and AD within 5 years.

The latter isn't going to happen as long as the men's teams are successful.

I think if Kellie Jolly Harper is hired as women's basketball head coach a new Athletic Director could very well have to look for another women's head basketball coach in 5 years because I think Athletic Director Phil Fulmer will be retired once again by then.

 

[Smallvol#1]

I guess we'll never know if Tyler could coach or not. A damn shame, all around!

Personally, I hope he does get back in the game, coaching that is. Start at the bottom, work his way up and restore his name!

I gave you a like............but...knowing you so well and knowing your ability to use the English language, I maybe should not have done so. Are you posting as @gule or as @gule ? What say you, @T_Vol376? Is he being nice or...........

 

[creekdipper]

I think if Kellie Jolly Harper is hired as women's basketball head coach a new Athletic Director could very well have to look for another women's head basketball coach in 5 years because I think Athletic Director Phil Fulmer will be retired once again by then.

Or the new athletic director could be making room in the rafters to hang more banners.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

I think if Kellie Jolly Harper is hired as women's basketball head coach a new Athletic Director could very well have to look for another women's head basketball coach in 5 years because I think Athletic Director Phil Fulmer will be retired once again by then.

Unless some health issues come up, Fulmer is going to be the AD for a while.

 

[creekdipper]

Anybody who's serious about coaching Lady Vols need to have exactly that standard

Agree on the goals, but how many have met those annual standards? How many of those are currently available (meaning they would be willing to leave their program for less than an unprededented, astronomical sum)?

Also, by those employment standards, Pat Summitt herself would have been fired if those are minimum requirements.

 

[Lurker]

I think if Kellie Jolly Harper is hired as women's basketball head coach a new Athletic Director could very well have to look for another women's head basketball coach in 5 years because I think Athletic Director Phil Fulmer will be retired once again by then.

I don't disagree that a Harper hire could fail. Unfortunately, that same prediction could be true for all of the coaches rumored to be "available." Not one of the names mentioned in this forum is a sure thing. The most likely "sure thing" coaches have jobs they aren't leaving at places like UConn, ND, Stanford. Miss. State and Texas A & M. The NC State and the Miss. State coaches aren't moving either. I think Walz can coach, but I really don't see him as a style fit in Knoxville, any more than Kiffen was in football. I also can't believe Walz would leave Louisville for the Lady Vols and I can't believe Fulmer (or any other sane AD) would put $3M + into women's basketball just to get him (i.e. buyout + contract).

Based on history, I think Gail Goestenkors is the smart play, but she has had issues too. Maybe they are resolved. Maybe not.

Whoever ends up with the job, I have hope (not knowledge-hope) because I firmly believe it will be an improved leader compared to Coach Warlick. I think the thing Holly was missing as a HC wasn't knowledge of the game. It was how to lead and motivate players.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Agree on the goals, but how many have met those annual standards? How many of those are currently available (meaning they would be willing to leave their program for less than an unprededented, astronomical sum)?

Also, by those employment standards, Pat Summitt herself would have been fired if those are minimum requirements.

There's a big difference between standards, and requirements. A standard is a level you want to achieve a requirement is a level you have to achieve

Elite 8 should always be the minimum goal of the University of Tennessee program for the Lady Vols

 

[creekdipper]

Either way, TN will get a head coach proven to be a winner sooner than later. (Elite 8 status at least every season )

E8, is absolute minimum

There's a big difference between standards, and requirements. A standard is a level you want to achieve a requirement is a level you have to achieve

Elite 8 should always be the minimum goal of the University of Tennessee program for the Lady Vols

The original statement to which you responded is not a goal. It's setting the expectation that the goal will become a reality in the way UCONN and ND have reached 12 consecutive Final Fours.

Every coach at major levels have the goals of winning championships and maintaining an elite level. Few achieve that.

Are we going to be happy with expectations, or will we demand results? Some vocal posters here have said they would give certain coaches only two years to return the program to the top. Are we going to apply that standard to all the candidates? Win the SEC in two years or you're out?

 

[T_Vol376]

I gave you a like............but...knowing you so well and knowing your ability to use the English language, I maybe should not have done so. Are you posting as @gule or as @gule ? What say you, @T_Vol376? Is he being nice or...........

I wouldn’t bet on it, @Smallvol#1! Just as sure as you do, you will get “guled.” You know how this works....

 

[IPleadInsanity]

There's a big difference between standards, and requirements. A standard is a level you want to achieve a requirement is a level you have to achieve

Elite 8 should always be the minimum goal of the University of Tennessee program for the Lady Vols

I agree with that but take it a step further....the final 4 should be the goal. Look at the brackets, there is a huge quality difference in the top 32 teams and the bottom 32 teams. If you are a top 20 program the 1st 2 games in the NCAA are essentially warm up games, usually played at home, so winning 2 tough games in the NCAA and making the final 4 should be the end goal.

 

[Tennesseefan2019]

I agree with that but take it a step further....the final 4 should be the goal. Look at the brackets, there is a huge quality difference in the top 32 teams and the bottom 32 teams. If you are a top 20 program the 1st 2 games in the NCAA are essentially warm up games, usually played at home, so winning 2 tough games in the NCAA and making the final 4 should be the end goal.

The Women's NCAA Basketball Tournament would be better if it went back to 32 teams in my opinion. I think the same for the Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament also.

 

[tenecvol4]

Anybody who's serious about coaching Lady Vols need to have exactly that standard

Why not try-- Becky Hammon-- you never know-- NBA grind is really tough

 

[gule]

why not try fred kadiddlehopper while we're at it?

 

[IPleadInsanity]

The Women's NCAA Basketball Tournament would be better if it went back to 32 teams in my opinion. I think the same for the Men's NCAA Basketball Tournament also.

The Mens is Ok but they need to have a bye system for the top seeds. Actually have more teams but have them play into the final 32 spots. Ridiculous to win your conference tournament and be rewarded by playing Duke on national TV.

 

[livefaith]

Replace “saavy” with delusional.

Yes. It is actually mind boggling to me, how many general citizens take this "family lineage" type thinking into all sorts of areas. It's like some sort of human fault of sorts. Odd to me.

 

[leejoek]

I just hope it is a broad search and Fulmer doesn't feel locked into hiring someone with ties to Tennessee (Kellie Jolly-Harper) or a woman. I also hope that he has the freedom to make a fair market value offer.

I just hope it is a broad search and Fulmer doesn't feel locked into hiring someone with ties to Tennessee (Kellie Jolly-Harper) or a woman. I also hope that he has the freedom to make a fair market value offer.

Or the gut to hire a minority!

 

[creekdipper]

Or the gut to hire a minority!

There's no need to insult Phil's gut.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Yes. It is actually mind boggling to me, how many general citizens take this "family lineage" type thinking into all sorts of areas. It's like some sort of human fault of sorts. Odd to me.

I can depend on my family when everyone else lets me down.

There's your sign

 

[Coach Jumper]

The original statement to which you responded is not a goal. It's setting the expectation that the goal will become a reality in the way UCONN and ND have reached 12 consecutive Final Fours.

Every coach at major levels have the goals of winning championships and maintaining an elite level. Few achieve that.

Are we going to be happy with expectations, or will we demand results? Some vocal posters here have said they would give certain coaches only two years to return the program to the top. Are we going to apply that standard to all the candidates? Win the SEC in two years or you're out?

If this team stay intact, I would have a goal of winning the SEC this year
Coaching was our Achilles heel,
not the girls
I can take the team as it is, especially with the incomings and beat the heck out of teams that beat the heck out of us.
No
Doubt!

 

[creekdipper]

If this team stay intact, I would have a goal of winning the SEC this year
Coaching was our Achilles heel,
not the girls
I can take the team as it is, especially with the incomings and beat the heck out of teams that beat the heck out of us.
No
Doubt!

Jay, your text is always laid out in this weird meter.

It reminds me of reading Homer back in high school.

 

[brassie]

What you and others are actually saying is that a prospect's ability to "play" women's basketball (or for that matter any sport male or female) as little more importance than their psychological profile and/or how they have been parented? Then, how they would fit into the way you expect a prospect to work in your system.
I think most really good coaches have nearly always used this approach. As it has related to UT's recent past, not so much. I think most of the recruiting effort has been toward "playing ability" and not the whole picture. "Fitting in" is very important in any endeavor that requires more than one person. Even in the military you are made to fit in to the "team" or you are gone (now days).
Where I am going with this is a coach at any level that is successful recruits other than just good players, they recruit people to fit their systems. So mid-major, small college, pro makes no difference, the way I see it, if they are a successful.

Now, as to a coach's ability to "handle the load" at UT?? This is a whole nother question. A really big one for Fulmer.

Hiring an "unproven" person i.e., Lawson, or other past players, this is another question....

Bingo! The ideal recruit - not just ability, but ability + character + attitude. Not always easy to find and I think that in the past few years UT has had a couple of players that were missing one or more of those attributes.

 

[brassie]

I still like Walz
Vic's been in the SEC
I think Walz has done more with less
that's the type of coach I want

What Walz has had at Louisville is a string of outstanding players with a good supporting cast. McCaughtry, Schimmel and now Durr.

 

[creekdipper]

"Gimme some of them French-fried potaters...some of them big'uns. Um-hum...."