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#128
#128
sami said:
Yeah, White ran off Vitello right into a Major League managerial job. Damn, if he had only committed a bit more NIL money, maybe Tony would have rethought the dream of every coach/manager and becoming literally an historic figure as the first college coach to ever become a MLB manager with zero MLB experience. If Danny had just been a little nicer.
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It is NOT the dream of college coaches to become major league managers. The path is completely different, and you don’t see coaches leaving big time college programs to get on that path. Period. That’s a big part of the reason it’s never happened. Just because players want to play in the majors doesn’t mean coaches want to manage there. College coaches aren’t putting their name in the hat.

Tony was so unique, because he was a social animal and ran in very elite circles. He mingled with a lot of major leaguers.

White didn’t run Tony off, but he also didn’t stand in front of the exit. Look at what Chris Lowe said and look at Jared Dickey’s comments. There’s a lot more to this than you know. These searches don’t happen in a vacuum. There’s a lot of forks in the road before you get to being offered the job. The Giants job being a once in a lifetime opportunity and Danny White’s Devil may care response are not mutually exclusive propositions. When your AD, who is already disconnected from you, shrugs his shoulders at the news, it may factor into your decision.
 
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WaywardVol said:
It is NOT the dream of college coaches to become major league managers. The path is completely different, and you don’t see coaches leaving big time college programs to get on that path. Period. That’s a big part of the reason it’s never happened. Just because players want to play in the majors doesn’t mean coaches want to manage there. College coaches aren’t putting their name in the hat.

Tony was so unique, because he was a social animal and ran in very elite circles. He mingled with a lot of major leaguers.

White didn’t run Tony off, but he also didn’t stand in front of the exit. Look at what Chris Lowe said and look at Jared Dickey’s comments. There’s a lot more to this than you know. These searches don’t happen in a vacuum. There’s a lot of forks in the road before you get to being offered the job. The Giants job being a once in a lifetime opportunity and Danny White’s Devil may care response are not mutually exclusive propositions. When your AD, who is already disconnected from you, shrugs his shoulders at the news, it may factor into your decision.
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I'll concede your first point, as the two jobs really are apples and oranges, but if a college coach is so inclined, as TV appears to have been, then there is little an AD could do to prevent the move.

I'll repeat an earlier point - if Vitello is using press conferences to piss and moan in any way about his UT exit and how it could have been different, I'd be very wary if I was a Giants fan or in the front office. He had better be 100% in, or that's going to be a very short tenure.
 
#130
#130
sami said:
I'll concede your first point, as the two jobs really are apples and oranges, but if a college coach is so inclined, as TV appears to have been, then there is little an AD could do to prevent the move.

I'll repeat an earlier point - if Vitello is using press conferences to piss and moan in any way about his UT exit and how it could have been different, I'd be very wary if I was a Giants fan or in the front office. He had better be 100% in, or that's going to be a very short tenure.
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We know how this is going to end. See Nick Saban. He won a NC at LSU, chased the NFL dream in Miami, flopped, then went to Alabama and became the most successful college coach ever, winning 6 NCs.

In the Vitello scenario/analogy, we're LSU, San Fransisco is the Dolphins, and Arkansas is Alabama.
 
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sami said:
I'll concede your first point, as the two jobs really are apples and oranges, but if a college coach is so inclined, as TV appears to have been, then there is little an AD could do to prevent the move.

I'll repeat an earlier point - if Vitello is using press conferences to piss and moan in any way about his UT exit and how it could have been different, I'd be very wary if I was a Giants fan or in the front office. He had better be 100% in, or that's going to be a very short tenure.
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When most people say “prevent,” they are seeing the scenario in one facet. That’s Tony being offered the job. Well, a lot happened prior to being offered. For one the giants were turned down by their first candidate, Nick Hundley. You know, the dream job everyone wants? Yep, someone said, “no thanks.”

Tony is an emotional guy if you haven’t noticed. It’s one of the reasons I don’t see him doing well in the majors. 160 plus games is a lot of time to be burning the way he burns. An AD that had a close relationship would have acknowledged the opportunity, but also would have counter pitched and pointed all these things out. Your greatest strengths; recruiting, passion….. are not going to have a place to translate in the majors. That didn’t happen and White as much admitted this in his press conference. White and Tony didn’t have a bad relationship. They just didn’t have a relationship. Tony is a relationship guy. Danny White is a transactional guy. That will serve the university in a lot of ways. It will also have its shortcomings.
 
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WaywardVol said:
When most people say “prevent,” they are seeing the scenario in one facet. That’s Tony being offered the job. Well, a lot happened prior to being offered. For one the giants were turned down by their first candidate, Nick Hundley. You know, the dream job everyone wants? Yep, someone said, “no thanks.”

Tony is an emotional guy if you haven’t noticed. It’s one of the reasons I don’t see him doing well in the majors. 160 plus games is a lot of time to be burning the way he burns. An AD that had a close relationship would have acknowledged the opportunity, but also would have counter pitched and pointed all these things out. Your greatest strengths; recruiting, passion….. are not going to have a place to translate in the majors. That didn’t happen and White as much admitted this in his press conference. White and Tony didn’t have a bad relationship. They just didn’t have a relationship. Tony is a relationship guy. Danny White is a transactional guy. That will serve the university in a lot of ways. It will also have its shortcomings.
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All good points.

Regarding him not being the Giants' first choice, guys turning down jobs happens all the time. My point was it being a college guy getting that offer as his first MLB opportunity.
 
#133
#133
WaywardVol said:
It is NOT the dream of college coaches to become major league managers. The path is completely different, and you don’t see coaches leaving big time college programs to get on that path. Period. That’s a big part of the reason it’s never happened. Just because players want to play in the majors doesn’t mean coaches want to manage there. College coaches aren’t putting their name in the hat.

Tony was so unique, because he was a social animal and ran in very elite circles. He mingled with a lot of major leaguers.

White didn’t run Tony off, but he also didn’t stand in front of the exit. Look at what Chris Lowe said and look at Jared Dickey’s comments. There’s a lot more to this than you know. These searches don’t happen in a vacuum. There’s a lot of forks in the road before you get to being offered the job. The Giants job being a once in a lifetime opportunity and Danny White’s Devil may care response are not mutually exclusive propositions. When your AD, who is already disconnected from you, shrugs his shoulders at the news, it may factor into your decision.
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If Tony and Danny were BFFs he would still be managing the Giants. There isn’t a single college baseball coach who is saying no to that job.
 
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beachvol23 said:
Nice puff piece!! They had to force him to hire JE!
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Lolz, don't answer with the 20/20 hindsight: how do you know JE wanted to follow Vitello? How do you know even wanted to be a head coach? If he fails, how does it look to the other guys if DW didn't even have a preliminary interview with them? Think they'd apply again? You keep spewing this type of garbage yet have no idea what was in JEs head nor the ramifications that could happen in the future if DW didn't at least speak to others.
 
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#138
OrangeInKy said:
Believe it or not, Buzz was a hot name in coaching search season for a couple years. That NIt championship at Tulsa impressed people, who seemed to forgot Tulsa made the E8 the year before. Buzz had traction in 2001 but clearly wasnt ready for prime time.
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Buzz's final year at UT, he went 14-17 with a roster that included Lofton, Watson, Dane Bradshaw and JaJuan Smith as freshmen, and 4 top 100 recruits (Wingate, Patterson, Crump, the immortal Scooter McFadgon). a nice guy (I met him a few times) but not a good coach at all.
 
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DowntownVol said:
Buzz's final year at UT, he went 14-17 with a roster that included Lofton, Watson, Dane Bradshaw and JaJuan Smith as freshmen, and 4 top 100 recruits (Wingate, Patterson, Crump, the immortal Scooter McFadgon). a nice guy (I met him a few times) but not a good coach at all.
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Where did I say he was a good coach? I remember his era well. I was at the press conference when he was hired, and he was thought to be a good get and was mentioned for other jobs at that time. I dont need reminded that he was bad(I sat through those games, sadly) but it doesn’t change the fact that he was considered a solid hire in 2001.
 
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