Coaching gigs that are better than UT

[The Sentinel]

Right now?

In no particular order:

Florida
Alabama
LSU
Auburn
FSU
Miami
Georgia
Va Tech
Ga. Tech
W. Va.
Ohio State
Michigan
Penn State
Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Notre Dame
USC
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
UCLA
Ole Miss
South Carolina
Miss State
TCU
Clemson

I don't know you lawgator1 but if you actually believe this there is one thing I know. If the "law" in your name would happen to have anything to do with you being a lawyer I would be on the hot lookout for wiser counsel.

 

[jed]

To find an unbiased answer it may be best to look at where top recruits want to play. I know coaches make a difference in recruiting but I'm talking about the programs that consistently bring in the top recruiting classes. My guess is you can follow the recruits to the best jobs in the nation.

 

[UGADawg4Life]

The best measure IMO would be whether a coach at those schools would leave that job to take yours. The coach at Duke turned you down and you hired the definition of mediocre vanilla from behind a desk at La. Tech.

I know this is a flame, but I have to dispell the notion. UT had a coaching staff that, while I disagree with the methods, was becomming effective. They left UT standing at the alter and it's difficult to find someone who's gonna want to pick up the pieces in the short period of time that UT had to work with. I think Cutcliffe or several other coaches would have jumped at the opportunity under normal circumstances.

I think UT found the best HC possible in the time they had to work, and I think you'll be eating the "vanilla" thing in a very short period of time.

Just MHO.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

To find an unbiased answer it may be best to look at where top recruits want to play. I know coaches make a difference in recruiting but I'm talking about the programs that consistently bring in the top recruiting classes. My guess is you can follow the recruits to the best jobs in the nation.

For the most part this is an accurate assessment.

 

[gasguy98]

I don't know you lawgator1 but if you actually believe this there is one thing I know. If the "law" in your name would happen to have anything to do with you being a lawyer I would be on the hot lookout for wiser counsel.

One thing I have noticed is that the supposed lawyers on this site seem to have a lot of leisure time.
I happen to know a few lawyers here in south Florida (rather successful ones) and they sure don't have the time to average 20 post a day for 4 years on a football forum.

 

[lawgator1]

The two on my list that seem to really anger people are MSU and South Carolina.

MSU has Mullen, who, if he'd expressed interest, I think this board would have heartily endorsed over Dooley. And if Spurrier left South Carolina, I suspect they'd get plenty of interest from coaches much more accomplished than Dooley.

Now, I realize that a lot of what I'm saying is related to timing, which is to say that if Kiffin hadn't scewed you like a $2 hooker by scooting when he did the list of good choices for you would have been much better.

But, you have to ask why some of these definite second and third tier people turned you down. I think it is CLEARLY that everybody realizes how tough an audience the new coach here is going to have and how extraordinarily bare the cupboard is right now.

I can think of no bigger criteria than those.

 

[GAVol]

The two on my list that seem to really anger people are MSU and South Carolina.

MSU has Mullen, who, if he'd expressed interest, I think this board would have heartily endorsed over Dooley. And if Spurrier left South Carolina, I suspect they'd get plenty of interest from coaches much more accomplished than Dooley.

Now, I realize that a lot of what I'm saying is related to timing, which is to say that if Kiffin hadn't scewed you like a $2 hooker by scooting when he did the list of good choices for you would have been much better.

But, you have to ask why some of these definite second and third tier people turned you down. I think it is CLEARLY that everybody realizes how tough an audience the new coach here is going to have and how extraordinarily bare the cupboard is right now.

I can think of no bigger criteria than those.

I think about half your list is pretty much a disaster, but I think our conclusion has some validity. The Tennessee job right now is much like taking over a team coming off probation.

 

[lawgator1]

I think about half your list is pretty much a disaster, but I think our conclusion has some validity. The Tennessee job right now is much like taking over a team coming off probation.

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I really want to post a poll asking how many years until UT wins the SECCG, but if it comes from me, ot will be viewed purely as trollish. You put it up GaVol.

My vote: More than five years.

 

[MDBJJC]

The two on my list that seem to really anger people are MSU and South Carolina.

MSU has Mullen, who, if he'd expressed interest, I think this board would have heartily endorsed over Dooley. And if Spurrier left South Carolina, I suspect they'd get plenty of interest from coaches much more accomplished than Dooley.

Now, I realize that a lot of what I'm saying is related to timing, which is to say that if Kiffin hadn't scewed you like a $2 hooker by scooting when he did the list of good choices for you would have been much better.

But, you have to ask why some of these definite second and third tier people turned you down. I think it is CLEARLY that everybody realizes how tough an audience the new coach here is going to have and how extraordinarily bare the cupboard is right now.

I can think of no bigger criteria than those.

About sums it up

 

[Jaytrain5]

The two on my list that seem to really anger people are MSU and South Carolina.

MSU has Mullen, who, if he'd expressed interest, I think this board would have heartily endorsed over Dooley. And if Spurrier left South Carolina, I suspect they'd get plenty of interest from coaches much more accomplished than Dooley.

Now, I realize that a lot of what I'm saying is related to timing, which is to say that if Kiffin hadn't scewed you like a $2 hooker by scooting when he did the list of good choices for you would have been much better.

But, you have to ask why some of these definite second and third tier people turned you down. I think it is CLEARLY that everybody realizes how tough an audience the new coach here is going to have and how extraordinarily bare the cupboard is right now.

I can think of no bigger criteria than those.

It doesn't matter how you rationalize it. If you think South Carolina, Duke, Miss. St, Texas Tech, and Oregon St. are better jobs than Tennessee, you're an idiot.

 

[Volfootball55]

It doesn't matter how you rationalize it. If you think South Carolina, Duke, Miss. St, Texas Tech, and Oregon St. are better jobs than Tennessee, you're an idiot.

:good!:

 

[lawgator1]

It doesn't matter how you rationalize it. If you think South Carolina, Duke, Miss. St, Texas Tech, and Oregon St. are better jobs than Tennessee, you're an idiot.

Duke I threw in purely to antagonize YOU.

As to the others, if you don't think they are at least arguably more desirable places to be HC right now, then you are just self-delusional.

 

[Volunteeer]

Not sure what everybody sees in Miami...UT is on par with them.

Tallent. Coker recruited a top five class when he was there and never had to travel more than 20 minutes away. That's insane. They have more top flight recruits at one highschool than tenn has in the whole state.

 

[lawgator1]

Tallent. Coker recruited a top five class when he was there and never had to travel more than 20 minutes away. That's insane. They have more top flight recruits at one highschool than tenn has in the whole state.

Recent game on tv here between Dade and Broward County schools had something like 30 D-1 prospects on the field. Sick.

 

[CardassianVol]

Duke I threw in purely to antagonize YOU.

As to the others, if you don't think they are at least arguably more desirable places to be HC right now, then you are just self-delusional.

That is the problem. Right now Tennessee as a program is in the toilet. But the difference is that at UT you can win a national title if you right the ship. At a place like Oregon State or Texas Tech or South Carolina you'd truly accomplish something by just being in a BCS bowl. UT has the resources to win and win big. Many of the schools you listed aren't as committed to football as UT. And I hope you just threw in South Carolina and Mississippi State as a joke. USC was a pretty crappy job at the time Pete took over even though it was historically among the best. They had everything needed to win with the right coach though.

 

[tvolsfan]

Right now?

In no particular order:
Florida
Alabama
LSU
FSU
Miami
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
Texas
Notre Dame
USC

This is more of what I think. I don't know if you were just trying to draw a huge response, but your list was utter trash. A couple of names are debatable, but the majority are flat out stupid, and even Mr. Two Bits or RTR 13 would probably tell you that.

 

[JOEY'S ALL VOL !!!]

Duke I threw in purely to antagonize YOU.

As to the others, if you don't think they are at least arguably more desirable places to be HC right now, then you are just self-delusional.

Give it up troll, only the most ignorant of people would agree with about a third to a half of your list, what's self delusional is you thinking that you had enough football knowledge to post a list to begin with.

 

[Kevinyaheard]

I don't care, Oregon is by no way in H-E double Hockey Sticks better that Tennessee. Nebraska is a coin flip. They produce about as much in state talent as us. Oklahoma is the Tennessee of the Big 12, they have to constantly go into Texas and do what we do with GA and FL. GBO!!!

 

[lawgator1]

I don't care, Oregon is by no way in H-E double Hockey Sticks better that Tennessee. Nebraska is a coin flip. They produce about as much in state talent as us. Oklahoma is the Tennessee of the Big 12, they have to constantly go into Texas and do what we do with GA and FL. GBO!!!

Forgot them. Consider my list amended.

 

[Kevinyaheard]

Another thing is you have to count for facilities, commitment to football, booster support, and fan support. If anybody thinks TN plays second fiddle in any of these aspects, you are sorely mistaken my friend.... All of these things make it way easier to recruit at TN that it would if all teams were created equal.

 

[lawgator1]

Another thing is you have to count for facilities, commitment to football, booster support, and fan support. If anybody thinks TN plays second fiddle in any of these aspects, you are sorely mistaken my friend.... All of these things make it way easier to recruit at TN that it would if all teams were created equal.

I don't dispute those as parts of the calculus. But, right now, the UT fan base would be viewed by many potential candidates as a liability to their standing, not an asset.

 

[PennVol]

I don't dispute those as parts of the calculus. But, right now, the UT fan base would be viewed by many potential candidates as a liability to their standing, not an asset.

Not disagreeing, but if so, you have to put that against almost every SEC team. All SEC fans make it great and miserable, some coaches just can't take it.

Pat Forde is flat out idiot, his schnoz is bigger than his brain (there is nobody worse on espn than him). The reality is that many of these jobs change as far as attractiveness. If you don't see that, then you don't follow CFB for long.

In the late 90's, Tennesssee was a top 5 job. Now, not so much at all. But USC was not a top 5 job in the late 90's, they couldn't get anyone to take that job. Nobody wanted the Florida job after Spurrier, it wasn't attractive at the time. The Alabama job looked miserable at the beginning of the decade, now, if Saban suddenly left, they could get about anyone they would want. Much of this discussion becomes stupid when we try to make it objective like "who has the biggest stadium in CFB."

 

[ufgatorbait]

I really think that the strength of the SEC actually hurts the appeal of TN right now.

If you were a hot shot coach right now, would you want to enter the absolute war going on in the best, most talented conference in the nation?

Would you want to face Saban's Tide and Meyer's Gators, especially with the condition that CLK left the team in?

Although there is always a chance to win any game, you are already looking at a tremendous uphill battle.

Would you want to recruit against these guys each off-season without the advantage of a well of instate talent?

Your alternative is to stay at the TCUs and the Boises of the world, rack up huge double digit win seasons, earn your school millions in BCS dollars, and become a legend on campus. All while "waiting" for the dream position to pop open (i.e. USC and almost UF).

There is no doubt that TN is a fantastic program with rich tradition. But TODAY, it isn't quite the slamdunk for coaches to leave plush, comfortable gigs for.

 

[lawgator1]

Not disagreeing, but if so, you have to put that against almost every SEC team. All SEC fans make it great and miserable, some coaches just can't take it.

Pat Forde is flat out idiot, his schnoz is bigger than his brain (there is nobody worse on espn than him). The reality is that many of these jobs change as far as attractiveness. If you don't see that, then you don't follow CFB for long.

In the late 90's, Tennesssee was a top 5 job. Now, not so much at all. But USC was not a top 5 job in the late 90's, they couldn't get anyone to take that job. Nobody wanted the Florida job after Spurrier, it wasn't attractive at the time. The Alabama job looked miserable at the beginning of the decade, now, if Saban suddenly left, they could get about anyone they would want. Much of this discussion becomes stupid when we try to make it objective like "who has the biggest stadium in CFB."

This is what I'm saying. Large number of Tenn fans are really unrealistic about the state of affairs. They pay lip service ot the depth problems, lack of offensive firepower, etc., but then say in the next breath that they are confident somehow things will fall together, and fast.

No they won't. Takes time.

And as long as UT fanbase has such unrealistic expectations, anyone coming in knows they are the sacrificial lamb.

Its the Zook Effect.

 

[PennVol]

This is what I'm saying. Large number of Tenn fans are really unrealistic about the state of affairs. They pay lip service ot the depth problems, lack of offensive firepower, etc., but then say in the next breath that they are confident somehow things will fall together, and fast.

No they won't. Takes time.

And as long as UT fanbase has such unrealistic expectations, anyone coming in knows they are the sacrificial lamb.

Its the Zook Effect.

Just to keep you honest, I knew lots of Gator fans who didn't think they would lose a step when Zook first came.