Coaching ability at Tennessee

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Lane was immature before he he got here and was immature here...

Dooley couldn't coach before here and couldnt coach here...

Butch was thin skinned and only had success riding coat tails before he got here and was thin skinned here...

Pruitt had no HC experience before he got here and has struggled to be a HC when he got here...
 
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I think when they come here the truth if their actual ability comes to the surface whereas before it was masked by superior talent, fellow coaches, team philosophies, etc. Plus it seems, in the case of Pruitt, that his more recent hires are based more around friendships, recommendations and reputations rather than actual abilities.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Why does it seem when coaches come to Tennessee they lose the ability to actually coach.
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We uncovered an insidious conspiracy around the end of Butch's tenure. The truth will be disconcerting, almost unbelievable, and will cause you to question the very foundations you assume our society is built upon. You ready?

The Sunsphere. It was found to emit radio waves which effect the mind of college football coaches. The longer the exposure, the worse it gets. Do what you will with this truth.
 
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The sad part about UT’s situation is, the Administration is probably going to really stretch their tolerance level and give extra years to this coach, because they’ve screwed up so bad on previous coaches. Problem is, there’s a very good chance this one is the worst coach of the whole lot. He’s most certainly worse than Kiffin, he’s arguably worse than Dooley (Dooley was at least articulate and affable), and given where their teams were midway through season 3, he’s certainly worse than Butch, unless you’re judging on something other than wins/losses and fielding a competitive team.

I think the best approach is to not give him a longer leash. We’ll see.
 
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mad4vols said:
I don’t care how hot a commodity a coach is, I don’t want them unless they have had HEAD coaching experience in the S.E.C.
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If they are a good coach in the SEC, they most likely won’t be changing jobs. So, you are effectively saying you will only take a mediocre or failed retread, which is all that will be available. Muschump fits your criteria.

Meanwhile, you are eliminating coaches LIKE Saban, Meyer and Miles...BECAUSE THEY HAD ZERO SEC HC EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY GOT THEIR FIRST SEC GIG. Who could be next?

I agree that HC experience is a must, but a good coach is a good coach.
 
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EZE said:
If they are a good coach in the SEC, they most likely won’t be changing jobs. So, you are effectively saying you will only take a mediocre or failed retread, which is all that will be available. Muschump fits your criteria.

Meanwhile, you are shunning coaches like Saban, Meyer and Miles.

I agree that HC experience is a must, but a good coach is a good coach.
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Who said anything about shunning Saban, Meyer and Miles?
 
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Pruitt has the answers. If a man does not measure up as a position coach - he pays him off and coaches the DL himself. This has served notice to all the assistants that any slip up or underperforming will be met with a dismissal and a severance check. Vols had a halftime lead vs. Arkansas and I bet they will score first vs. auburn.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Why does it seem when coaches come to Tennessee they lose the ability to actually coach.
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Coaching in the SEC is a little different than coaching in some conferences. Week in and out there is more competition and more scrutiny than at a lot of schools. Some “coaches” like Butch weren’t prepared for that.
 
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EZE said:
If they are a good coach in the SEC, they most likely won’t be changing jobs. So, you are effectively saying you will only take a mediocre or failed retread, which is all that will be available. Muschump fits your criteria.

Meanwhile, you are shunning coaches like Saban, Meyer and Miles.

I agree that HC experience is a must, but a good coach is a good coach.
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Miles? Miles? Have you seen his success at Kansas? No thank you.
 
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willinhf said:
Miles? Miles? Have you seen his success at Kansas? No thank you.
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Wow...just wow. We have some real geniuses in our fan base.

He won a natty at LSU (114-34, seven 10+ Win seasons out of eleven full seasons). If we had a coach do that in Knoxville, he would get a statue.

Kansas is a completely different animal than a top-tier SEC gig. If you don’t understand that, I can’t help you.
 
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EZE said:
Wow...just wow. We have some real geniuses in our fan base.

He won a natty at LSU (114-34, seven 10+ Win seasons out of eleven full seasons). If we had a coach do that in Knoxville, he would get a statue.

Kansas is a completely different animal than a top-tier SEC gig. If you don’t understand that, I can’t help you.
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Listen, it does not take a genius to see Miles is past his prime.

Fulmer (152-52) won a NC and had an overall 70%+ win/loss record here at UT. Want to hire him back?

How much success did the last coach we hired with a losing record have? Remember him? He came from a lower level program as well.

You cannot move forward looking in a rear view mirror, and the game has passed by Miles, just like Fulmer.
 
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willinhf said:
Listen, it does not take a genius to see Miles is past his prime.

Fulmer won a NC and had an overall 70%+ win/loss record here at UT. Want to hire him back?

How much success did the last coach we hired with a losing record have? Remember him? He came from a lower level program as well.

You cannot move forward looking in a rear view mirror, and the game has passed by Miles, just like Fulmer.
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Can you not read? I never said that UT should hire him. I used him as an example as to why you can’t limit your search to SEC HCs only.

I agree he is now past his prime. But he sure as he!! wasn’t when LSU hired him away from OkState.
 
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EZE said:
Can you not read? I never said that UT should hire him. I used him as an example as to why you can’t limit your search to SEC HCs only.

I agree he is now past his prime. But he sure as he!! wasn’t when LSU hired him away from OkState.
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I am lost on what you are trying to communicate.

What you said was we were “shunning coaches like Saban, Meyer and Miles”. You then defending him by taking a stab at my intellect and then quoting his successes at LSU and defending his 3-15 record at Kansas because...well it is Kansas.

But all that work for someone you do not think should be considered? If you are speaking Miles’ name in the same sentence as Saban and Meyer, you are putting all three of them into consideration.
 
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willinhf said:
I am lost on what you are trying to communicate.

What you said was we were “shunning coaches like Saban, Meyer and Miles”. You then defending him by taking a stab at my intellect and then quoting his successes at LSU and defending his 3-15 record at Kansas because...well it is Kansas.

But all that work for someone you do not think should be considered? If you are speaking Miles’ name in the same sentence as Saban and Meyer, you are putting all three of them into consideration.
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I’m sorry, but I can’t help you.

But, to be clear, Saban is not an option. And neither are the others I mentioned.

Let’s just leave it at that.
 
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EZE said:
I’m sorry, but I can’t help you.

But, to be clear, Saban is not an option. And neither are the others I mentioned.

Let’s just leave it at that.
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Well...we do agree that all three are not viable options. At least we have that.
 
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