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#301
#301
jakez4ut said:
by the fans, yeah, i think most think we should. i don't know that there's anything legit that says the folks that would actually write that check are going to do that.

until proven otherwise, i'd lean toward anyone's list of 2nd tier guys.
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I'm sure people will be willing to spend money. The issue is the people who you're going to want to spend money on are usually already employed or prefer another job.

I don't know who we will actually hire, but there's no reason it has to be as bad as it was the previous two times.
 
#302
#302
Volfan2012 said:
Yep then you think we did hire Dooley and the guy in charge now was part of that search.
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Currie was on the AD staff at one point - fact; but what was his involvement? Since nobody here is actually well placed in the AD, then why give credence to anything anybody knows about the process now or then. Are you such a creature of habit that you would do exactly the same thing for the same reason that you did years ago if you had historical perspective telling you it was a mistake?

Check written accounts of historical events; if there were factions, there will always be at least two "factual" insider accounts that disagree.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm sure people will be willing to spend money. The issue is the people who you're going to want to spend money on are usually already employed or prefer another job.

I don't know who we will actually hire, but there's no reason it has to be as bad as it was the previous two times.
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yeah, i wasn't quite clear...i think we definitely have the money...it's getting all that money aligned and put in to the same pot for the same guy that will likely be the biggest challenge.

on your 2nd point, agreed...unless we get get in our own way....again.
 
#304
#304
Bobo may be as bad or worse than Butch, although I have to assume he’s more intelligent. But if we hire a guy like him or Norwell, it means we aren’t trying very hard.

I would argue the same about names that could easily be sold to the fan base but wouldn’t be likely to work out (Miles, Leach, etc.)
 
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AM64 said:
Currie was on the AD staff at one point - fact; but what was his involvement? Since nobody here is actually well placed in the AD, then why give credence to anything anybody knows about the process now or then. Are you such a creature of habit that you would do exactly the same thing for the same reason that you did years ago if you had historical perspective telling you it was a mistake?

Check written accounts of historical events; if there were factions, there will always be at least two "factual" insider accounts that disagree.
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Currie had been gone for the better part of a year when the Dooley hire took place
 
#306
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Well i guess it apparent we're baragin hunting, like always. Cant wait for Wilson to take over after 1 year as Head Coach. We gonna suck for an eternity!
 
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flatiron said:
Currie had been gone for the better part of a year when the Dooley hire took place
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To my understanding he wasnt involved in coaching hires, he was just Hammy secretary basically. Hopefully he learned emough from him to not make the same mistakes.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Bobo may be as bad or worse than Butch, although I have to assume he’s more intelligent. But if we hire a guy like him or Norwell, it means we aren’t trying very hard.

I would argue the same about names that could easily be sold to the fan base but wouldn’t be likely to work out (Miles, Leach, etc.)
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it may just be lack of familiarity but there's nothing about Bobo or Norvell that makes me think "heck yeah".

and i agree on your 2nd part 100%.
 
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landscapingvol said:
They do it to help the University no doubt about that and that have no obligation to do so but eventually people do get tired of bailing out athletic departments for poor coaching hires. You can't blame them for wanting to have some control in the hiring process as inept as they may seem
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They choose or else approve the hires. They don't just hand the AD a bag of money. So they are complicit. UT probably couldn't hire anyone much above the perceived level of Jones when Jones stepped in. Maybe that factored into the boosters' willingness to "invest more"?

I used to work for one of the biggest Mizzou supporters/donors. They aren't motivated like normal people. They like to feel magnanimous. Even more... they like to be viewed as benevolent... and they like to for their names to be associated with winners.
 
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flatiron said:
Currie had been gone for the better part of a year when the Dooley hire took place
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Yeah, I was disagreeing with 2012's analysis, and made the mistake of accepting his fact about Currie being part of the Dooley hiring.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Then why do you think they will miss on targets?
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I just think our targets will be too comfortable in their situations to jump into the pressure cooker here where the expectations are to be in Atlanta in year three or everyone starts calling for your job. Coaches are making too much money now to accept a couple million more for that opportunity.

Take Patterson, 4 million a year. Loved by everyone there and no pressure. Why come here for 6-7 million?

Fuente, makes over 3 million. in year two and winning. no pressure. why come here for 6 million and be expected to beat Bama and UGA right away?

Gruden won't give up 10 million to come here. He wouldn't last time and he won't this time.

I just see that most names where coaches are in the 2.5 million and above range will not want this job and the pressure associated with it.

Guys in the 2 million range will jump at it.
 
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jakez4ut said:
it may just be lack of familiarity but there's nothing about Bobo or Norvell that makes me think "heck yeah".

and i agree on your 2nd part 100%.
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I agree. The only game I saw from start to finish of Memphis was the UCF game. Man what a beat down that was. UM was destroyed so Norvell has a long way to go to impress me. And Riley was horrible and then got into a shouting match with his coach on the sideline so let's cool the Norvell talk.
 
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#317
#317
LWS what about Scott Frost? He seems like a star in the making-turning UCF around in record time from 0-12 and a dynamic offense. He's a former player and has had experience under some of the best coaches in the NFL. And he would be an elite recruiter-why don't we go after him😊
 
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#318
Lovesomebigorange said:
LWS what about Scott Frost? He seems like a star in the making-turning UCF around in record time from 0-12 and a dynamic offense. He's a former player and has had experience under some of the best coaches in the NFL. And he would be an elite recruiter-why don't we go after him😊
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absolutely could see us making a run at him. The risk is, Nebraska likely to also target him.. may have to get in bidding war with them. he only makes 1.7 million
 
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LWS I agree in fact Scott seems like one of the top targets (or at least he should be). It's been mentioned how much better our job would be than Nebraska,especially being in the SEC and with recruiting. Maybe that would sway him to our side. I had hoped all the Gruden chatter was real, but he might just be enjoying the attention. If he really isn't interested,he needs to say so and we move on.
 
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I seriously doubt the Gruden talk is legit. If for some reason he does want to leave a high paying, 5 month, stress free job on ESPN for the insane asylum called SEC football, he certainly wouldn’t announce it publicly while Butch Jones still has a job.
 
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LWSVOL said:
absolutely could see us making a run at him. The risk is, Nebraska likely to also target him.. may have to get in bidding war with them. he only makes 1.7 million
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So every good coach that is proven and worth a damn will not come here. Sounds like par for the course.

What about Jeff Brohm?
 
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Catbone said:
So every good coach that is proven and worth a damn will not come here. Sounds like par for the course.

What about Jeff Brohm?
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I don't know. Have heard he would love to coach at Tennessee but making 3.3 million in his first year there, does he make a move? Just don't know. Would not be surprised if we don't shake the tree there
 
#324
#324
HorusHawk said:
I'm with you...I thought, like most, they would fire Butch at the end of the season. And I was ok with this. I hoped there was a plan in place, and the natural progression would be that he was let go some time between the last game and the bowl game (although it's looking like a bowl game might not happen at this point). I realized the negative things that could happen with firing a coach in the middle of the season...it never works out great. But after this last loss, and seeing Butch's reaction to the final throw...he looked like he was watching a lunch lady make his plate in the cafeteria. No emotion whatsoever on the man's face. He's done! We all know the Butch that we see on the sidelines every week...he constantly looks like he's on the verge of a stroke. Not now...it could have very easily been his reaction to an off-tackle run on first down. No emotion. He's finished, at least emotionally. And we can't stand by while our Top 5 recruiting class dwindles down to Top 50 if we're lucky! If for no other reason than to save the recruiting class, we need to make a move now!
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Another bad hire just to save one class would be the worse thing you could do and you are not getting someone to come here who is a sitting coach at this point in the season. He has checked out but need to fire at best time for UT. I hope it is sooner than later but if we had a non sitting coach basically hired then BJ would be gone.
 
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#325
I think there is an assumption that UT is somehow different from other SEC programs with regard to pressure.

Vandy has a long string of 3 or 4 year coaches. They either get fired or else take a better job. UK is similar. Ole Miss fired Cut for much less than UT has on Jones.

There is probably a special breed of coach that wants to take a shot at the SEC... but I don't buy the notion that UT's money doesn't spend as well as Auburns, LSU's, Arkansas', UF's, etc.
 
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