Coach tyndalls offensive system

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I don't care what kind of offense Donnie plays or how many points are scored per game as long as we have just one more point than the opposing team at the end of the game.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Kinda late there partner and j rich only made it once or twice that I'm aware of
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I think that was Martin's system that provided those high flying dunks. You knucklehead s act like Tyndalls is the second coming. Im excited to see what Coach T brings with these athletes but that sweet 16 gives Martin credibility. Tyndalls going to be good but whos to say his system is better than Martins. Quit hatin.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
We may not always run and gun but Can we agree it will be a faster tempo than last year
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Actually his tempo is about the same as Martins. The difference is time spent on the offense. I think I heard someone say Martin spent 90% on defense. Ive never heard of that.
 
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darkgable said:
Actually his tempo is about the same as Martins. The difference is time spent on the offense. I think I heard someone say Martin spent 90% on defense. Ive never heard of that.
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Your crazy If you think the tempo will be the same I hate to bring this up but I have watched about 9 hours of usm and let me tell you the tempo is a lot faster
 
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The big difference is that Tyndall teams try to force turnovers with a press and get several easy baskets in a game. Martin never pressed anybody unless he got way behind and was forced to do so. In the half court Tyndall teams tend to do a lot of passing and screening so it is not a fast tempo.
 
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darkgable said:
Actually his tempo is about the same as Martins. The difference is time spent on the offense. I think I heard someone say Martin spent 90% on defense. Ive never heard of that.
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90% defense, the other 10% putting on Chapstick.
 
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MR_VOL said:
I don't care what kind of offense Donnie plays or how many points are scored per game as long as we have just one more point than the opposing team at the end of the game.
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Sadly that is not good enough for most posters here. I don't care as long as we win. I wonder how long they are going to be praising this supposed "run and gun" when we are scoring in the 60's and 70's all year.
 
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k-town_king said:
Sadly that is not good enough for most posters here. I don't care as long as we win. I wonder how long they are going to be praising this supposed "run and gun" when we are scoring in the 60's and 70's all year.
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peoples complaints with the previous coach wasnt bc he didnt run and gun......it was bc if we didnt score quick we just stood around.....if this offense is active people will be pleased.
 
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k-town_king said:
Sadly that is not good enough for most posters here. I don't care as long as we win. I wonder how long they are going to be praising this supposed "run and gun" when we are scoring in the 60's and 70's all year.
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Let's dispel any idea that our offense will be "run and gun" (fast shots, no defense to speak of). Here is a description of the Kansas offense that Coach T said we would resemble. Of course, he tweaks it and makes ours "one of a kind". Watched a really good video the other day with Kansas head coach Bill Self in a coaches clinic talking about his alternative to motion offense. At Kansas, they call it 'Fist', but it's really just a ball-screening continuity offense. Some really interesting thoughts before he got into the X's and O's. He used to be a motion coach earlier in his career but as many of you motion coaches can relate to, it always ended up that your worst player had the ball with the open shot. Motion worked well when it was Danny Manning shooting the ball, or Simeon Rice in the post who didn't need to dribble it for a post move. The Hi-Low offense was good, but he found that it was too much spot to spot. So in thinking of a new offense, Self kept asking himself "what do you run behind what you run?" In other words, when it's the end of the game, what do you run? Mostly either a 1-4 flat or a high ball-screen. 1-4 flat is good for end of games/quarters, but not suitable all game, mainly due to transition issues. The ball is the hardest thing to defend, so why not design an offense solely around ball-screens. For the last 2 seasons, Kansas has been running Fist and several options out of it. I had to watch the video over a few times to sketch it all out, especially to make a continuity out of it, but I did get it down mostly. The offense is predicated on some basic rules:
1. Guards should fill any one of 6 spots on the floor, corners, wings, and wing-tops.
2. Anytime a forward catches the ball, and passes it back out to a guard, he chases the ball into a ball screen.
3. On any ball screen, the guard should try to drive to the rim (baseline or middle).
4. On any baseline drive off a ball screen, the forward pops out for pick and pop.
5. On any middle drive off a ball screen, the foward rolls off and sets a downscreen for the strong side corner then slips to the basket.
6. On any middle drive off a ball screen, the weakside forward should duck in once the ball crosses the lane.
7. On all ball reversal, weakside forward should duck-in attempting to seal his defender, for an easy drop step dunk move.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Let's dispel any idea that our offense will be "run and gun" (fast shots, no defense to speak of). Here is a description of the Kansas offense that Coach T said we would resemble. Of course, he tweaks it and makes ours "one of a kind". Watched a really good video the other day with Kansas head coach Bill Self in a coaches clinic talking about his alternative to motion offense. At Kansas, they call it 'Fist', but it's really just a ball-screening continuity offense. Some really interesting thoughts before he got into the X's and O's. He used to be a motion coach earlier in his career but as many of you motion coaches can relate to, it always ended up that your worst player had the ball with the open shot. Motion worked well when it was Danny Manning shooting the ball, or Simeon Rice in the post who didn't need to dribble it for a post move. The Hi-Low offense was good, but he found that it was too much spot to spot. So in thinking of a new offense, Self kept asking himself "what do you run behind what you run?" In other words, when it's the end of the game, what do you run? Mostly either a 1-4 flat or a high ball-screen. 1-4 flat is good for end of games/quarters, but not suitable all game, mainly due to transition issues. The ball is the hardest thing to defend, so why not design an offense solely around ball-screens. For the last 2 seasons, Kansas has been running Fist and several options out of it. I had to watch the video over a few times to sketch it all out, especially to make a continuity out of it, but I did get it down mostly. The offense is predicated on some basic rules:
1. Guards should fill any one of 6 spots on the floor, corners, wings, and wing-tops.
2. Anytime a forward catches the ball, and passes it back out to a guard, he chases the ball into a ball screen.
3. On any ball screen, the guard should try to drive to the rim (baseline or middle).
4. On any baseline drive off a ball screen, the forward pops out for pick and pop.
5. On any middle drive off a ball screen, the foward rolls off and sets a downscreen for the strong side corner then slips to the basket.
6. On any middle drive off a ball screen, the weakside forward should duck in once the ball crosses the lane.
7. On all ball reversal, weakside forward should duck-in attempting to seal his defender, for an easy drop step dunk move.
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Exactly I have never said we would be the Dang clippers but the ball movement will be fast is what I was always getting at believe me after 6 possessions of a motion offense you wanna run it to the post...unless your a post player then your all for the guards attacking :)
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Your crazy If you think the tempo will be the same I hate to bring this up but I have watched about 9 hours of usm and let me tell you the tempo is a lot faster
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Maybe they actually run an offense as opposed to dribbling 90% of the clock away, but it is not any higher paced of an offense than Martin.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Let's dispel any idea that our offense will be "run and gun" (fast shots, no defense to speak of). Here is a description of the Kansas offense that Coach T said we would resemble. Of course, he tweaks it and makes ours "one of a kind". Watched a really good video the other day with Kansas head coach Bill Self in a coaches clinic talking about his alternative to motion offense. At Kansas, they call it 'Fist', but it's really just a ball-screening continuity offense. Some really interesting thoughts before he got into the X's and O's. He used to be a motion coach earlier in his career but as many of you motion coaches can relate to, it always ended up that your worst player had the ball with the open shot. Motion worked well when it was Danny Manning shooting the ball, or Simeon Rice in the post who didn't need to dribble it for a post move. The Hi-Low offense was good, but he found that it was too much spot to spot. So in thinking of a new offense, Self kept asking himself "what do you run behind what you run?" In other words, when it's the end of the game, what do you run? Mostly either a 1-4 flat or a high ball-screen. 1-4 flat is good for end of games/quarters, but not suitable all game, mainly due to transition issues. The ball is the hardest thing to defend, so why not design an offense solely around ball-screens. For the last 2 seasons, Kansas has been running Fist and several options out of it. I had to watch the video over a few times to sketch it all out, especially to make a continuity out of it, but I did get it down mostly. The offense is predicated on some basic rules:
1. Guards should fill any one of 6 spots on the floor, corners, wings, and wing-tops.
2. Anytime a forward catches the ball, and passes it back out to a guard, he chases the ball into a ball screen.
3. On any ball screen, the guard should try to drive to the rim (baseline or middle).
4. On any baseline drive off a ball screen, the forward pops out for pick and pop.
5. On any middle drive off a ball screen, the foward rolls off and sets a downscreen for the strong side corner then slips to the basket.
6. On any middle drive off a ball screen, the weakside forward should duck in once the ball crosses the lane.
7. On all ball reversal, weakside forward should duck-in attempting to seal his defender, for an easy drop step dunk move.
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Yeah not reading that
 
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On second look, I think maybe he meant not reading "run and gun offense" based on his previous statement, "Maybe they actually run an offense as opposed to dribbling 90% of the clock away, but it is not any higher paced of an offense than Martin." Another riddle?
 
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There's a clerk at the butcher shop, he is five feet ten inches tall, and wears a size 13 sneaker. What does he weigh?
 
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