Coach Pruitt and this team

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Vol524 said:
No coach in the world can get a player with no heart up for a game. If you have heart you would have already been up for our last two games. Some our players are quitters, plain and simple. And you can't coach that out of someone. As for him stopping on the Vol walk, it was an attempt to make a change. If you don't want to give him credit for that, it is on you.
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Some have made up their mind and find fault in most everything Pruitt does.
 
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volfannbama said:
Oh, im sure they did too, they just.couldnt get it done.
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I suspect that we had some, perhaps even several, malcontented primadonnas who were so used to the gravy train that even a blanket party and the meanest DI on Parris Island couldn't motivate them.
You know the types. We have both seen them. Non-hacking mama's boys.
 
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Competitive fire along with less size speed and talent helped ruin this season.
But not just that.

Maybe CJP shouldn’t have said we have small slow players. Maybe he shouldn’t have hung out DBs out to dry against WV. Maybe he shouldn’t have stopped the Vol Walk. Maybe he should have forced the issue more on defense by running more stunts based on the film from Mo and Vandy. Maybe he should have told Helton to stop looking so much like our film on offense.

Lots of ifs and buts.
 
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Vol524 said:
No coach in the world can get a player with no heart up for a game. If you have heart you would have already been up for our last two games. Some our players are quitters, plain and simple. And you can't coach that out of someone. As for him stopping on the Vol walk, it was an attempt to make a change. If you don't want to give him credit for that, it is on you.
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So all the "win one for the Gipper speeches" are just crap? All the pre game and half time rah rah is just BS so the coach can prepare for a political career after he is fired?

To pretend that leaders can't motivate their charges is ridiculous and nothing more than a cover for your low key guy.

If you're a head coach and rah rah ain't your thing you'd better have a Trooper Taylor on the staff. While execution is paramount in winning in any sport, beating your guy one on one, over and over all game is an emotional commitment that needs all the motivating one can find. Especially if your opponent is equal or better than you physically.

Maybe when you coach an Alabama roster very little emotion is needed as there is a good chance you can out athlete whomever you face without trying all that much. However, few teams ever have, currently have or likely will have that type roster. Well not until we figure out their pay plan.


Hmmm. Maybe that's why ADPF hired a bama boy
 
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Type Orange+ said:
I suspect that we had some, perhaps even several, malcontented primadonnas who were so used to the gravy train that even a blanket party and the meanest DI on Parris Island couldn't motivate them.
You know the types. We have both seen them. Non-hacking mama's boys.
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Yep. Few tough guys like you on this team.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
So all the "win one for the Gipper speeches" are just crap? All the pre game and half time rah rah is just BS so the coach can prepare for a political career after he is fired?

To pretend that leaders cant motivate their charges is ridiculous and nothing more than a cover for your low key guy.

If you're a head coach and rah rah ain't your thing youd better have a Trooper Taylor on the staff. While execution is paramount in winning in any sport, beating your guy one on one over and over all game is an emotional commitment that needs all the motivating one can find. Especially if your opponent is equal or better than you physically.

Maybe when you coach an Alabama roster very little emotion is needed as the re ends a good chance you can bn out athlete whomever you face without trying all that much. However, few teams ever have , currently have or likely will have that type roster. Well not until we figure out their pay plan.


Hmmm. Maybe that's why ADPF hired a bama boy
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The best motivators can get the adrenaline to release at key moments.

I liked how in the past our coaches would plug defensive players into games in certain situations coached up for that 1 particular moment. They would run a blitz or a stunt to make a drive changing play, then they would come out until it was time for them to run another play.
 
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gisman said:
I will ask here. Who, from your perspective, mailed it in this year? I really don't know, but I would be interested to hear others opinions. Drew Richmond is the only one that I think may have.
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Shamburger for sure. Looked like our LBs about half the time. Surely some of our OLs....it would actually be a compliment to say those guys quit, because to contemplate that they might actually be that bad is unfathomable.
 
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volfannbama said:
Good coaches do the best they can with what they have. All these guys had a heart when the signed with UT. He couldn't figure out how to pull it out of them for whatever reason. My guess is his public criticism of players didn't work out to well. Again, it should be expected that Pruitt would struggle in this area as its something he has never had to deal with. Only the future will tell if he figures it out.
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Who did he call out? I never heard him mention a player by name when being critical. Maybe I missed it. I’d like to know of any player he called out. Also, if they had heart when they signed with UT it’s quite obvious they lost it in 2017 not 2018.
 
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BDP! said:
Who did he call out? I never heard him mention a player by name when being critical. Maybe I missed it. I’d like to know of any player he called out. Also, if they had heart when they signed with UT it’s quite obvious they lost it in 2017 not 2018.
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No he used "players" when he did it.
 
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BDP! said:
Not trying to be ugly but you call that calling out players? If you do I respectfully disagree.
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Okay, yeah lots of people did. He even said nothing will change until he recruits players. Not a good public statement to make, along with how he dealt with the grad transfers. Perhaps he turns it around in year two, but not a good start for sure. The bad part about this situation is he will get hammered for all his "growing pains" while he is learning because expectations are so high here. Hope he starts winning quickly.
 
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volfannbama said:
Okay, yeah lots of people did. He even said nothing will change until he recruits players. Not a good public statement to make, along with how he dealt with the grad transfers. Perhaps he turns it around in year two, but not a good start for sure. The bad part about this situation is he will get hammered for all his "growing pains" while he is learning because expectations are so high here. Hope he starts winning quickly.
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I do too. But until we get more quality players we’ll struggle. I like all of our players. They chose to come to Tennessee. I believe they work hard and I want them to succeed. But in my opinion I don’t see a lot of talent on this team. We need to recruit very well the next few years. Unfortunately we are at the bottom of the SEC when it comes to overall talent.
 
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volfannbama said:
Okay, yeah lots of people did. He even said nothing will change until he recruits players. Not a good public statement to make, along with how he dealt with the grad transfers. Perhaps he turns it around in year two, but not a good start for sure. The bad part about this situation is he will get hammered for all his "growing pains" while he is learning because expectations are so high here. Hope he starts winning quickly.
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I agree that he should not have said we need to recruit better players on national tv. But I don’t think he mistreated any of the grad transfers.
 
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BDP! said:
I do too. But until we get more quality players we’ll struggle. I like all of our players. They chose to come to Tennessee. I believe they work hard and I want them to succeed. But in my opinion I don’t see a lot of talent on this team. We need to recruit very well the next few years. Unfortunately we are at the bottom of the SEC when it comes to overall talent.
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Nah, we arent at the top, but we shouldnt be at the bottom. Saturday night was not acceptable. It was a 5-6 Vandy team, not a playoff contender. Its weird how so many have bought into this no talent bs.....especially given the record predictions before the season.
 
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BDP! said:
I agree that he should not have said we need to recruit better players on national tv. But I don’t think he mistreated any of the grad transfers.
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Not mistteated them, but not playing tjem at all when the player in front of them was completetly ineffective. No im not saying KC should have started over JG, but you have to consider bringing him in when the o cant do anything, like agaisnt vandy.
 
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volfannbama said:
Nah, we arent at the top, but we shouldnt be at the bottom. Saturday night was not acceptable. It was a 5-6 Vandy team, not a playoff contender. Its weird how so many have bought into this no talent bs.....especially given the record predictions before the season.
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Outside of maybe Arkansas we have the worst talent in the SEC. This springs NFL draft will prove it. It pains me to say this but I believe vandy will have twice as many players drafted than we do.
 
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volfannbama said:
They have the talent....the rest would be better if they were better coached.
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Another thing out of 2 staffs coaching these kids we see the same problems. Oline can't get a push, the backs getting hit in the backfield, qb getting hit in the shotgun before you count to 1. So you believe that is coaching right. So from 2 different staffs the same issues but it's not the talent. Stop it
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Another thing out of 2 staffs coaching these kids we see the same problems. Oline can't get a push, the backs getting hit in the backfield, qb getting hit in the shotgun before you count to 1. So you believe that is coaching right. So from 2 different staffs the same issues but it's not the talent. Stop it
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We’ll just have to agree to disagree and that’s ok. But have you taken a look at our o line? We look like high school players compared to other SEC schools. Seven months in a new weight program ain’t gonna change that. The line was riddled with bad players in 17 and they were bad in 18.
 
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zjcvols said:
Same thing every time. In the first year or two it’s always the players. Never the coaches. They got to get their own players in there. The players are quitters or losers.

I don’t buy that. Yeah talent and depth deficiency is a real thing but everyone blames the 18-22 year olds and never the adults making millions the first two years. You’re job is to motivate and put the players in the beat position to succeed. You can break it down however you want but Pruitt and company didn’t do that the last two games.
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I agree. I also agree that Pruitt roasting the lineup mid-season may have helped recruiting and hurt this season. IMO he didn't care because he is more set on flipping this roster than salvaging it. That could cut both ways but it is his bed to lie in.

I feel the same way I did about that situation as I did about Butch blaming losses on injuries. They may be valid observations, and not all of it may be in your control, but as a coach you only get credit for fixing leaks not pointing them out.
 
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KBVol said:
Shamburger for sure. Looked like our LBs about half the time. Surely some of our OLs....it would actually be a compliment to say those guys quit, because to contemplate that they might actually be that bad is unfathomable.
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Pruitt went chasing butili on the sideline and followed him all the way to the bench after one of the vandy touchdowns he was covering
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Another thing out of 2 staffs coaching these kids we see the same problems. Oline can't get a push, the backs getting hit in the backfield, qb getting hit in the shotgun before you count to 1. So you believe that is coaching right. So from 2 different staffs the same issues but it's not the talent. Stop it
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So you are saying that coaches cant develop schemes to help with a known weakness such as.a weak oline? Huh, who knew, I though thats what they were supposed to do. Sounds like we need better coaches that dont make excuses while.waiting for perfect conditions to exist.

Anyway, I saw the coaches do that with some effectiveness this season, then they just revert back to the same stuff.
 
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utvolz98 said:
Honest question, do you feel that more coddling and less honesty would have motivated the quitters? If not, you come across this way.
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Not in public, you have kids that have played in constant turmoil most of their career around this disaster of a program. We sat and watched this stupid admin make dumb hires (admin) and make a circus of our coaching hires. To those kids it's far worst. So in my opinion his best bet this year was to keep all that stuff in the locker room.
Ill be honest and you can flame away. He know the fanbase has bought into this absolutely no talent bs. So he made public statmentd about needing recruites etc, stopping the volwalk to preach to them...in an.effort to gain fan support. Kinda like a "look its not me." In my opinion, he should have taken all the blame and did the best he could, because he is ultimately responsible. Do all you want in the locker room and practice field and leave it there. Nobody expected a championship season but to me we had the talent to hit 6-6.
 
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